Goodbye 2+2, nice knowing you

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

I don't go on 4 hardly ever. What does that mean? Is he saying that they don't want content that would help players get better because they wouldn't be buying books from him?

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I [incorrectly] explained this years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0t6hBmHkxk#t=1m13s

Registered 2+2 in 2006 or 2007. Can't remember last time I looked at the site. I rely on sites like PFA to filter and rebroadcast the microfraction of worthwhile information that occurs there.

I find 2+2 and Pocketfives to be a crashing bore. 99.9% is crap, misinformation or regurgitation of shit covered 10 years ago. Astounds when I see certain PFA members that I am otherwise impressed with cite 2+2. Sometimes I am grateful that they find and post the rare gem. But at the same time, I wonder how small their life is to be trolling that site.

I have this image of the Discovery show "Gold Rush". Prospectors putting 100's of yards of dirt in the trommel to yield the few flecks of gold.

Malmuth's ban simply makes 2+2 even less interesting.

The recent Hashem cry "poker is dying" while really an unformed and emotional claim nevertheless is a signpost of our times. No fool would have made that claim in 2006. Of course, there is some truth in his rant today.

I am just a fairly typical grinder on some third world US facing site. Play almost ever day for 45 minutes or much more. So I'm interested in the game. I am your target audience & consumer. I am always testing poker podcasts and sites for something fresh but it all has been done and said before - it's just all so fucking dull

So yes, fuck Malmuth. Druff's site and members are anything but dull. Druff wins. GG

I'm surprised the Killowatt account hasn't been nuked & had every post removed.

On a side note, my favorite poster over there is now Not Hockey Guy. He's now being attacked by a mod for posting facts about wesrwood.

Fairly sure that account will be deep-sixed right away.

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Originally Posted by Hockey Guy

I'm surprised the Killowatt account hasn't been nuked & had every post removed.

On a side note, my favorite poster over there is now Not Hockey Guy. He's now being attacked by a mod for posting facts about wesrwood.

Fairly sure that account will be deep-sixed right away.

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Why do you think that? Druff, in masons eyes, has made himself look like a fool... so why would mason ever remove something that furthers his agenda?

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Originally Posted by handicapme

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Originally Posted by Hockey Guy

I'm surprised the Killowatt account hasn't been nuked & had every post removed.

On a side note, my favorite poster over there is now Not Hockey Guy. He's now being attacked by a mod for posting facts about wesrwood.

Fairly sure that account will be deep-sixed right away.

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Why do you think that? Druff, in masons eyes, has made himself look like a fool... so why would mason ever remove something that furthers his agenda?

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It's kinda an inside joke because I was nuked there. My whole existence was obliterated & a bunch of the threads I had been posting in made absolutely no sense after they did it.

the reaction to NOT HOCKEY GUY, to me, was hilarious.


NHG shows everyone examples and proof of where wesrwood screws up

people all gang up on NHG. "Why are you providing us with this proof? What do you have to gain from this?!"



uh, to assist people in making informed decisions as to whether to give some guy money to hold onto, when he has demonstrated a questionable past, AND he just proved it again.


GET OUT OF OUR THREADS NHG!!!!



Perfect moronic logic.

Fuck Mason Malmuth.

Since the recession and black Friday, Mason and 2+2's book sales must be non-existent.
So internet advertising is his only source of income.

How is it when I look at a thread on 2+2 with 10 page views and 3 days later it has 78,000 views?
Could Mason be fabricating the page views so he can charge more money to advertisers?

Mason Malmuth should come forward and admit that he is a big phony.



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What i dont get is why the assburgers guy is insisting that you apologize for posting something on your own site. A site that, per the assburgers guy, no one reads. If the assburgers guy is right and no one reads this site then no one could have been harmed by the post. Why would you need to apologize if you couldn't have harmed the guy. It makes no sense. Also im referring to mason as the assburgers guy because he seems legit retarded and also because i literally have no idea who he is or what he does other than he is apparently partners with a retard banging human pedobear, and they own poker forum that ive never read an interesting post on.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Thought Mason and I had buried the hatchet, but apparently not.

Once again, I am being banned for something that has nothing to do with his forum.

Mason doesn't like this thread where I originally posted a third-party's accusation regarding the Palms poker manager stealing promo money.

The manager himself showed up, gave his side, and I conclude that it seemed to me that he didn't actually steal promo money. However, many questions still remain regarding the legality of the way the manager used the funds, as well as whether he was violating Palms rules by what he did.

Various people directly or indirectly connected to the matter showed up on PFA to comment on it, and there were people on both sides of the argument.

I retracted the one statement I no longer believed to be true (that he stole anything), but did not issue an actual apology, because I wanted to see the way the entire thing played out. Indeed, there are a lot of unanswered questions that the public deserves answered.

Someone on 2+2 (nobody I know) linked this thread. Owner Mason Malmuth posted a nasty message there, stating that PFA has too small of a readership for anyone to really care about this (not true), and that I owe the guy an apology.

I promised an apology once the situation fully plays out, if I feel an apology is warranted at that point.

Without further warning (or any real developments today), I showed up on 2+2 and found this:

http://toddwitteles.com/pics/2plus2ban.png

So now Mason is forcing me to make a "full and sincere apology" to a third party that is unconnected to him.

If you remember, my last 2+2 ban was because a friend (not even me) posted some unflattering things about David Sklansky on Neverwinpoker. Again, this was banning me for actions on another site (and not even my site or my actions), but at least you can mildly understand it, because David is an important 2+2 author, and because I was a mod on Neverwinpoker at the time.

Here, Mason is banning me for not apologizing on MY SITE to a guy he probably has never even met before.

F him.

I enjoy 2+2, but I'm not going to grovel or let Mason control me. I was providing a lot of good content there, and to be honest, a lot of the good 2+2 posters are long gone nowadays. If Mason thinks 2+2 is better without me, that's fine.

I won't be creating any fake accounts there. I just won't be posting there anymore unless the ban is lifted.

This is probably a win for Lock Poker (as I won't be participating in that thread anymore), but their goose is pretty much cooked anyway, and there are plenty of knowledgable posters in that thread to make up for my absence.

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Apparently Ive been given a timeout as well by either Mason Malmutt or ProPoker or whothefuck cares.. Ask me if I care about a fucking 48hr timeout.. I rarely post on four as it is.. so again Mason if you read this I DONT FUCKING CARE you 4 eyed shit ball who's nuthugging of Skalansky made you famous.. You fucking dont know jack shit about poker have never binked a major tourney so your fame is horseshit.

Odds are at least 3:1 that Malmuth has financial motive for trying to force you to apologize. Whether it's because he smells a possible ad deal with someone associated with the story or whether he just wants to make a smaller (but rising) forum look bad, that's the way he operates. As an aside, he's never had quite the balls to ban me for calling him on his crap and I've dared him to do it more than once.

FWIW, I've read all the threads. I doubt there was anything specifically illegal going on. But my takeaway is this (and these are only my opinions):

1) The room manager, Todd or whoever, probably had a miscellaneous promotional budget to do with as he saw fit, and that included shill players. I've been in that room, and it's a nicer room in appearance than the traffic it's been able to draw, and that's an old issue.

2) He wasn't very successful at his ideas at drawing more traffic to the room, and combined with how much he was in the hole on the promo -- maybe more than Sands management realized -- they likely sacked him for a failure to deliver. Think of it as them having given him a blank check to grow the room, and he probably didn't do it. There probably wasn't anything illegal about it; it looks like he just didn't do a good enough job.

3) At least a couple of his employees don't seem to think he was a very good room manager. Then again, that could be sour grapes from either not getting hours or the possibility that the room might close and they lose their jobs, if this Cantor/Palms deal to run it continues to bleed money.

Also: Silly to let yourself get trolled by that other guy. I used to block all that guy's posts here and at DD.

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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

You're making an argument that he didn't do a good job managing the room, perhaps that's the case, and perhaps that's why Palms/Cantor Gaming doesn't employ him anymore. But that's a lot different from accusing someone of stealing. And if you or others want to discuss how this room was run and the quality of the promotions that were offered, this should be done in a different thread.

By the way, I worked for the Federal Government for just over six years, and don't need to be reminded of it.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Does Mason want a cookie for his work for the Feds. For fuck sake I was a govt contractor in IT decade+ ago and so that means jack shit. If he was an actual fed employee pretty sad he lasted only 6 yrs. Most folks ride out the easy life as a federal puke for the juicy retirement and benes..

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Originally Posted by haleylh

Odds are at least 3:1 that Malmuth has financial motive for trying to force you to apologize. Whether it's because he smells a possible ad deal with someone associated with the story or whether he just wants to make a smaller (but rising) forum look bad, that's the way he operates. As an aside, he's never had quite the balls to ban me for calling him on his crap and I've dared him to do it more than once.

FWIW, I've read all the threads. I doubt there was anything specifically illegal going on. But my takeaway is this (and these are only my opinions):

1) The room manager, Todd or whoever, probably had a miscellaneous promotional budget to do with as he saw fit, and that included shill players. I've been in that room, and it's a nicer room in appearance than the traffic it's been able to draw, and that's an old issue.

2) He wasn't very successful at his ideas at drawing more traffic to the room, and combined with how much he was in the hole on the promo -- maybe more than Sands management realized -- they likely sacked him for a failure to deliver. Think of it as them having given him a blank check to grow the room, and he probably didn't do it. There probably wasn't anything illegal about it; it looks like he just didn't do a good enough job.

3) At least a couple of his employees don't seem to think he was a very good room manager. Then again, that could be sour grapes from either not getting hours or the possibility that the room might close and they lose their jobs, if this Cantor/Palms deal to run it continues to bleed money.

Also: Silly to let yourself get trolled by that other guy. I used to block all that guy's posts here and at DD.

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This would be the normal persons way of reacting. But Druff is a different beast. Online cred is everything to him. As far as I'm concerned this is the most humiliating thing that has ever happened to him in his life. The poor guy finally has become accepted at the competing forum. Then his arch nemesis comes in and ruins it in one single thread...like three posts. To add insult to injury, the grand wizard himself decides to drop kick his ass back to PFL where he belongs. I say we all show up to the 2+3 meetup and kick his fucking ass.

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Originally Posted by Pooh

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Originally Posted by haleylh

Odds are at least 3:1 that Malmuth has financial motive for trying to force you to apologize. Whether it's because he smells a possible ad deal with someone associated with the story or whether he just wants to make a smaller (but rising) forum look bad, that's the way he operates. As an aside, he's never had quite the balls to ban me for calling him on his crap and I've dared him to do it more than once.

FWIW, I've read all the threads. I doubt there was anything specifically illegal going on. But my takeaway is this (and these are only my opinions):

1) The room manager, Todd or whoever, probably had a miscellaneous promotional budget to do with as he saw fit, and that included shill players. I've been in that room, and it's a nicer room in appearance than the traffic it's been able to draw, and that's an old issue.

2) He wasn't very successful at his ideas at drawing more traffic to the room, and combined with how much he was in the hole on the promo -- maybe more than Sands management realized -- they likely sacked him for a failure to deliver. Think of it as them having given him a blank check to grow the room, and he probably didn't do it. There probably wasn't anything illegal about it; it looks like he just didn't do a good enough job.

3) At least a couple of his employees don't seem to think he was a very good room manager. Then again, that could be sour grapes from either not getting hours or the possibility that the room might close and they lose their jobs, if this Cantor/Palms deal to run it continues to bleed money.

Also: Silly to let yourself get trolled by that other guy. I used to block all that guy's posts here and at DD.

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This would be the normal persons way of reacting. But Druff is a different beast. Online cred is everything to him. As far as I'm concerned this is the most humiliating thing that has ever happened to him in his life. The poor guy finally has become accepted at the competing forum. Then his arch nemesis comes in and ruins it in one single thread...like three posts. To add insult to injury, the grand wizard himself decides to drop kick his ass back to PFL where he belongs. I say we all show up to the 2+3 meetup and kick his fucking ass.

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4d break out the old Sue photoshops. I know you have them saved somewhere.

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Originally Posted by gauchojake

4d break out the old Sue photoshops. I know you have them saved somewhere.

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I lost a lot of stuff in the disaster of '08, the vwls archive may be deeper, but until she surfaces..







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rip yebsite.

He would make things right by regging 2+2.me and putting all their books online in ebook format.

4Dragons that spoiler has scarred me for life.

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

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:wtf

that's quite an image

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by rickastley

http://www.mypokertube.com/files/pho...c58e1cd7L.jpeg

mason being mason

 

FREE YEBSITE!!

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I don't go on 4 hardly ever. What does that mean? Is he saying that they don't want content that would help players get better because they wouldn't be buying books from him?

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Pretty much. He's saying he's running a business(2+2) not a playground(pfa) and wants them to delete that shit so people will buy books. I don't like the dude, but hes running a business and it is his business, so he can do kinda whatever he wants, and that might help him make the most profit