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Originally Posted by son of lockman
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Originally Posted by son of lockman
The big difference for me is that the government places people under arrest. While they might not care today what porn site I'm visiting today, they might tomorrow. You never know what legislation will be put in place that you find to be completely harmless and openly decide to break the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
In the future, what if they were concerned with what speed your car GPS is relaying back to the satellites for speeding ticket purposes? Sometimes laws need to be broken. If laws were never broken, then they would never change.
I'm not big on private companies collecting my data; however, this is a much less concern to me, because they are not a threat to my freedom.
Part of me wishes he would return to to the US.
If anything happens to him, the world would possibly revolt. More change would come from his capture than from him trying to elude capture.
Well there's already starting to see some pressure on investigative journalists that they may be aiding a spy. I think this needs to go on for several more months with consistent coverage to garner more and more attention before it really gets to mass protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Star
Says whoQuote:
Originally Posted by FR1GHTThe big difference for me is that the government places people under arrest. While they might not care today what porn site I'm visiting today, they might tomorrow. You never know what legislation will be put in place that you find to be completely harmless and openly decide to break the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
In the future, what if they were concerned with what speed your car GPS is relaying back to the satellites for speeding ticket purposes? Sometimes laws need to be broken. If laws were never broken, then they would never change.
I'm not big on private companies collecting my data; however, this is a much less concern to me, because they are not a threat to my freedom.
If Edward Snowden were to surrender to the U.S. government.
He would be tortured and receive the Bradley Manning treatment.
The NSA surveillance program may be technically legal but it's a clear violation
of your 4th amendment rights.
Why does only Sentator Rand Paul give a shit about the 4th amendment?
Here is an example of the current NSA prism program...
Someone in the UK sends an E-mail to Dan Druff.
(Message is captured by the GCHQ and shared with NSA)
Message gets flagged because he used the word "bomb" in the E-mail.
The person who sent the E-mail apparently has ties to known terrorists.
The NSA immediately flags Dan Druff as a person of interest.
Can Druff explain all of his foreign travel?
What about sending money to known terror suspects?
We don't need proof, Dan Druff is aiding and abetting known terrorists.
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Statement from Edward Snowden in Moscow
Monday July 1, 21:40 UTC
One week ago I left Hong Kong after it became clear that my freedom and safety were under threat for revealing the truth. My continued liberty has been owed to the efforts of friends new and old, family, and others who I have never met and probably never will. I trusted them with my life and they returned that trust with a faith in me for which I will always be thankful.
On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic "wheeling and dealing" over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.
This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are the old, bad tools of political aggression. Their purpose is to frighten, not me, but those who would come after me.
For decades the United States of America has been one of the strongest defenders of the human right to seek asylum. Sadly, this right, laid out and voted for by the U.S. in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is now being rejected by the current government of my country. The Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing, it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person. Without any judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum.
In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.
I am unbowed in my convictions and impressed at the efforts taken by so many.
Edward Joseph Snowden
Monday 1st July 2013
http://wikileaks.org/Statement-from-...n-in.html?snow
Snowden's father said the he is being manipulated by Wikileaks. I think this statement proves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
The version in your post is the edited version. The original version was "For decades the United States of America have been".
https://twitter.com/bgzimmer/status/...896640/photo/1
An American would never use the plural there. Maybe it was just a really odd typo, but I doubt it.
I thought the same thing when I read this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyBSnowden's father said the he is being manipulated by Wikileaks. I think this statement proves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfather
The version in your post is the edited version. The original version was "For decades the United States of America have been".
https://twitter.com/bgzimmer/status/...896640/photo/1
An American would never use the plural there. Maybe it was just a really odd typo, but I doubt it.
Looks like some prepared bullshit written by someone else.
As soon as I was done reading Snowden's "statement", the first thought that came to mind was, "He didn't write this."
Wikileaks sucks.
written by his moscow handlers/lawyers.
as mentioned, plural.
also, date format is euro.
scenario b, of course;
moscow> these are our terms for asylum. we will need you to compose a document of course, here are the banner points; obama bad, america bad.
snowden> ok cool, kinda....
*composes document filled with awkward subtle errors giving him plausible deniability if he can work shit out with the DoJ later*
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Originally Posted by sonatine
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/10/31/Lawyer-says-Edward-Snowden-to-maintain-Russias-largest-website
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MOSCOW, Oct. 31 (UPI) -- Fugitive former U.S. security contractor Edward Snowden will be working in website maintenance in Russia, his lawyer said Thursday.
Anatoly Kucherena said Snowden begins his job Thursday maintaining "Russia's largest [web]site," RIA Novosti reported.
Kucherena did not reveal the name of Snowden's new workplace "for security reasons."
Snowden, a former National Security Agency contractor, fled the United States for Hong Kong and then Russia after leaking details of the NSA's massive surveillance programs. Russia granted him temporary asylum in August, despite repeated extradition requests from the United States.
Scenario C, 'we let you live here and you do to VK what the NSA is doing to Facebook.'