*** OFFICIAL *** Druff & Drexel Show Thread for 1/29/2013 - $61 FREEROLL - Need Guest Host

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by Edward Teach

sorry, I don't know enough about the other 2 to really respond

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FPP situation: After Black Friday, in order to make nice with the DOJ, Stars agreed to cash out the FULL VALUE of every US player's accounts, including FPPs. They inexplicably made you cash out FPPs in blocks of 2500, meaning that any remainder in your account (1-2499 FPPs, which will occur for over 99.9% of players) will not be able to be cashed out. This sounds like small potatoes, until you multiply it by their millions of real money accounts and realize how much money they stole this way.

ZOOM situation: See the Scams, Scandals, and Shadiness forum. Basically, it was a novelty $1k tournament where people played one at a time. They allowed a change in the rules at the very end that SEVERELY benefited the last 10 players, to where everyone else beforehand had very little change to have cashed. Stars reviewed the complaints after PLOL made a stink about it on 2+2, but ultimately only awarded an extra $2,360 to affected players who cashed or were on the bubble, cheating people who should have earned much more than that (as much as $7k) had the screw-up not occurred. Stars did not give any explanation how they came to the $2,360 figure, other than that it was the min-cash value. People were cheated out of thousands. PLOL played in this tournament.

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While these are bad situations and yes it looks like stars gave people a good fucking, that still does not condone his actions. This is a basic concept: stealing is wrong. Everyone learns that at an early age. If you take something that does not belong to you, you are a thief and have done something wrong. I have a 7 year old niece that understands that. Can you agree with that? I'm not trying to piss anyone off here, it is just what I believe. Did plol distribute that $1100 back to the others that played that tourney or all those people that got ripped off on the points deal? If not then he has ripped off those people as well.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

LOL @ thinking I am enjoying the Jasep thread.

You really think I want the "traffic" from discussion regarding one of our longtime, active users (and occasional radio co-host) possibly scamming people through BAP?

I am also not benefiting from the PLOL situation

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fucking clownshoes Druff

http://www.wondercostumes.com/imgzoo...hoes-55891.jpg

A lot of you guys are pretty generous in the way you treat corporations and their mistakes. If they were only 1/100th as morally strong or ethical as you guys, the world would be an entirely different and better place for millions, perhaps billions of people.

All stealing/theft is not the same. Circumstances, intent, and parties involved do matter.

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

A lot of you guys are pretty generous in the way you treat corporations and their mistakes. If they were only 1/100th as morally strong or ethical as you guys, the world would be an entirely different and better place for millions, perhaps billions of people.

All stealing/theft is not the same. Circumstances, intent, and parties involved do matter.

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You can't control what other people do but you can control yourself.

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Originally Posted by Edward Teach

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

A lot of you guys are pretty generous in the way you treat corporations and their mistakes. If they were only 1/100th as morally strong or ethical as you guys, the world would be an entirely different and better place for millions, perhaps billions of people.

All stealing/theft is not the same. Circumstances, intent, and parties involved do matter.

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You can't control what other people do but you can control yourself.

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according to Obama, Corporations are not people, so therefore it's OK to keep the $

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Originally Posted by Rollo Tomasi

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Originally Posted by Edward Teach

You can't control what other people do but you can control yourself.

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according to Obama, Corporations are not people, so therefore it's OK to keep the $

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rollo, can you please keep your political bullshit out of one single thread? please? just this once?

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

LOL @ thinking I am enjoying the Jasep thread.

You really think I want the "traffic" from discussion regarding one of our longtime, active users (and occasional radio co-host) possibly scamming people through BAP?

I am also not benefiting from the PLOL situation

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fucking clownshoes Druff

http://www.wondercostumes.com/imgzoo...hoes-55891.jpg

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Instead of responding with lame insults, how about answering my question here?

Do you really think that accusations of a scam on a BAP running on this site is long-term (or even short-term) good for PFA? Do you really think I am allowing this to continue out of self-interest?

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Instead of responding with lame insults, how about answering my question here?

Do you really think that accusations of a scam on a BAP running on this site is long-term (or even short-term) good for PFA? Do you really think I am allowing this to continue out of self-interest?

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I told you exactly what I think I think that you allowed the leveling of baseless allegations by people who had NO CONNECTION OR INSIGHT into's Jasep's BAP. These allegations led to a piling on by the trolls and those who previously had their problems with Jasep. The only person who posted anything relevant to Jasep possibly being a scammer was Detroit (Cyverlander) and his interactions were over an Ipad he won not the Bap. But it brought traffic and yes I think that you have had a problem since the launch of VPR and Filthy Limper Radio and possibly blaming him for stealing Zod.

You then allow PLOL a way to voice why he rolled Pokerstars(which I do not care about him doing). You then try to explain how in your eyes it's ok to steal from those who you think have stolen from others. This brought not only more traffic to your website, but also money added to the freeroll.

So, in closing, I feel that you are a hypocrite of the highest order. You love to rail against the scammers and thieves who have wronged you or your friends, but have no problem rationalizing why it is right to steal from those you don't like. Maybe, after all, your face needs to be where the skull is in the PFA logo because your are one of the most agenda driven confidence men of them all.

Those are my thoughts and mine alone. I am not swayed by anyone's posts. My thoughts are based on what I've seen transpire over the past 6 months or so not just the last week. In closing, fuck you and ban me if you don't like it.

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

But it brought traffic and yes I think that you have had a problem since the launch of VPR and Filthy Limper Radio and possibly blaming him for stealing Zod.

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Bad read imo. plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise. The BAP's very presence, for one.

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Instead of responding with lame insults, how about answering my question here?

Do you really think that accusations of a scam on a BAP running on this site is long-term (or even short-term) good for PFA? Do you really think I am allowing this to continue out of self-interest?

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I told you exactly what I think I think that you allowed the leveling of baseless allegations by people who had NO CONNECTION OR INSIGHT into's Jasep's BAP. These allegations led to a piling on by the trolls and those who previously had their problems with Jasep. The only person who posted anything relevant to Jasep possibly being a scammer was Detroit (Cyverlander) and his interactions were over an Ipad he won not the Bap. But it brought traffic and yes I think that you have had a problem since the launch of VPR and Filthy Limper Radio and possibly blaming him for stealing Zod.

You then allow PLOL a way to voice why he rolled Pokerstars(which I do not care about him doing). You then try to explain how in your eyes it's ok to steal from those who you think have stolen from others. This brought not only more traffic to your website, but also money added to the freeroll.

So, in closing, I feel that you are a hypocrite of the highest order. You love to rail against the scammers and thieves who have wronged you or your friends, but have no problem rationalizing why it is right to steal from those you don't like. Maybe, after all, your face needs to be where the skull is in the PFA logo because your are one of the most agenda driven confidence men of them all.

Those are my thoughts and mine alone. I am not swayed by anyone's posts. My thoughts are based on what I've seen transpire over the past 6 months or so not just the last week. In closing, fuck you and ban me if you don't like it.
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So you're really trying to make the case that a small increase in page views is worth having a BAP scandal that makes the entire site look bad?

If I were selfish and agenda-driven like you claim, I would be shutting down discussion of any possible BAP scandal, especially when it involves a longtime active member and occasional radio co-host. It would be completely to my personal benefit to sweep this under the rug. The fact that I am allowing this discussion shows that I am more interested in seeing the truth come out than trying to protect this site's reputation.

How am I bitter that he "stole" Brandon? Brandon continued doing the radio show here. I never offered Brandon a piece of this site, nor did I ever want any partners here, so how could I be bitter that someone else made him a partner?

Why would I be bitter about VPR at all? It did not have any negative effect on this site. It's not like I lost all of my traffic to VPR and would have a reason to be bitter/jealous. By Jasep's own admission, the forum never took off and the traffic all remained here. If I was really bitter with him, I wouldn't have had him on my radio show as a co-host. I am not passive-aggressive like that. If I don't like someone, I make it clear.

You have an appropriate screen name. From the "logic" you are presenting here, it wouldn't surprise me if you actually rode the short bus at some point in your life.

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Originally Posted by PLOL

Wow, my audio is pretty bad in the archives. Did I sound that mumbled on radio?

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Thought you sounded a bit like this

 

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Originally Posted by Pooh

Druff,

Very interesting take on your resident fag's rolling. Its almost to be expected from a young, confused little dick licker but you're a grown ass man. To run a site named PokerFraudAlert and then basically laugh at this jerkoff stealing money from a company is hypocrisy of the highest order and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Lose this eye for an eye bullshit. Stealing is stealing, whether its from Pokerstars or the Pope is irrelevant. Karma will catch up with PLOL, probably from an early AIDS related death but you should be ashamed of the way you handled that situation. If someone makes a mistake and they don't catch it then fuck them. Nice way of thinking there your highness.

Also great job basically throwing Jesep under the bus. The guy hasn't done a single thing shady on this forum and he hasn't been anything but generous with his time and money regarding your website and its members.

You took the biggest, nastiest dump I've ever witnessed in my life on your show last night. Keep up the good work.

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For the record, I have not asked Druff (nor will I) to stifle your hate speech.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I realize that PLOL kept it for himself, but hypothetically, which do you think is more ethical?

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Actually I returned $303 of it to my backer (which was his share in my first ZOOM entry).

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Originally Posted by PLOL

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Originally Posted by Pooh

Druff,

Very interesting take on your resident fag's rolling. Its almost to be expected from a young, confused little dick licker but you're a grown ass man. To run a site named PokerFraudAlert and then basically laugh at this jerkoff stealing money from a company is hypocrisy of the highest order and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Lose this eye for an eye bullshit. Stealing is stealing, whether its from Pokerstars or the Pope is irrelevant. Karma will catch up with PLOL, probably from an early AIDS related death but you should be ashamed of the way you handled that situation. If someone makes a mistake and they don't catch it then fuck them. Nice way of thinking there your highness.

Also great job basically throwing Jesep under the bus. The guy hasn't done a single thing shady on this forum and he hasn't been anything but generous with his time and money regarding your website and its members.

You took the biggest, nastiest dump I've ever witnessed in my life on your show last night. Keep up the good work.

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For the record, I have not asked Druff (nor will I) to stifle your hate speech.

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Really though, If you had to do it again would you have posted (bragged) about rolling Pokerstars? As much as I realize it is wrong to take the money, I don't wear a Pope hat that often and would have done the same myself. There was nothing to be gained by bragging about it only something to lose. Wise up next time.

Even though I don't know him that well, my overall impression of PLOL is very positive and I think he's a good kid.

Well all hail king druff. I'm out of this bitch

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

Well all hail king druff. I'm out of this bitch

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:bye

(don't worry, though, i'm not banning you)

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Originally Posted by limitles

Really though, If you had to do it again would you have posted (bragged) about rolling Pokerstars? As much as I realize it is wrong to take the money, I don't wear a Pope hat that often and would have done the same myself. There was nothing to be gained by bragging about it only something to lose. Wise up next time.

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If I could go back in time I would not have made the thread or talked about it.

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Originally Posted by PLOL

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Originally Posted by limitles

Really though, If you had to do it again would you have posted (bragged) about rolling Pokerstars? As much as I realize it is wrong to take the money, I don't wear a Pope hat that often and would have done the same myself. There was nothing to be gained by bragging about it only something to lose. Wise up next time.

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If I could go back in time I would not have made the thread or talked about it.

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you

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jeannie in the back after she did you a favor

how could you?

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

Well all hail king druff. I'm out of this bitch

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You will NEVER win a debate with Druff on any topic on this messageboard.