Druff.....do your PFA duty and bring down the whole online poker industry

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Originally Posted by The_Lurker

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

He trolled me about the AP/UB stuff before I even entered the thread.

Again, if this were an isolated incident where he was mad that I ignored his blackjack claims years ago, and then lashed out, I wouldn't have a problem.

This guy has been trolling me about pretty much every subject over the past few years. His trolling wasn't a reaction to being ignored about blackjack claims, but rather one incident in a long string of pointless trolling over a long period of time.

I don't understand what you're arguing here. I didn't ban him for this thread. I banned him for years of pointless and nasty trolling of me. I think it's clear to everyone that has been happening, and I got tired of it.

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I have read every post Deal has ever made, and you are being a huge baby.

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I don't know what you mean.

Was he or was he not trolling me repeatedly for years on this site?

Do those troll messages make up a healthy percentage of his posts on this forum over the past few years?

Was the recent trolling being done in a serious manner where he was honestly attempting to make the case that I was a liar and a thief?


He was banned under the obvious rule of, "Don't be a complete asshole and repeatedly attempt to make the site owner unhappy."

Very few people are banned under this rule in the site's 6-year existence.

You'd be hard pressed to find a forum owner who is more lenient regarding allowing bashing and criticism of him.

This site is run because I enjoy running it. If anyone is attempting to use this site to seriously lessen my enjoyment of it, or to harm my reputation with knowingly false accusations, they won't remain here.

Totally reasonable, and if you don't like it, tough luck.

Todd has been itching to do this since the summer when he posted hhs in the wsop forum and deal told him he was terrible.

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Originally Posted by RealTalk

Todd has been itching to do this since the summer when he posted hhs in the wsop forum and deal told him he was terrible.

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I don't have to be itching to do anything. I can ban anyone I want at any time. I chose not to ban him until now because I generally like this place to be free speech, even if it's aimed negatively at me.

Deal bent over backward to bash me about everything. He would sometimes make up outright lies to do so (like in this thread where he claimed I had stopped playing poker in 2010 and was full-time running around taking credit for others' work in the AP/UB scandal).

Last week he claimed that this site actually makes money because I steal freeroll money to help it turn a profit, and that I lie about it running at a loss.

So of course when I posted a hand history of a tough decision at the WSOP, he was going to claim I did the wrong thing and bash me. There was zero point zero chance he was going to respond that I did the right thing, even if I had posted I did the opposite of what I did in the hand.

The guy is also a coward who hides his identity and makes sure I know nothing about him, so I can't ever bash him back.

At least with Jewdonk it can be amusing to go back and forth because we both know a lot about each other, and both put a lot out there.

This guy just hides anonymously and snipes at me with lies and half truths.

Fuck him.

I'm done with this discussion, and this decision isn't changing unless he contacts me and agrees to knock this shit off.

I don't know if I've ever seen a post by Deal that wasn't bitching at Druff. Apparently he talked about other things occasionally, but all I recall from him is hundreds of posts being an obsessive creep.

Easy to take the moral highground when it's not you being constantly harassed on your own shit.

Weird, a slew of normal posters are telling you this decision was awful.

Dont let unbiased reasonable opinions get in the way of your hurt butt though druff.

Druff whyd you lock that other thread? Seems shady to try to keep this banning quiet while fps russia posts his conspiritard videos in every thread, heeb begs for pennies like its 2005 and BGC makes otherwise good threads unreadable with his infectious mental illness

Shoutout to BGC for being a part time good poster

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Originally Posted by varys

Druff whyd you lock that other thread? Seems shady to try to keep this banning quiet while fps russia posts his conspiritard videos in every thread, heeb begs for pennies like its 2005 and BGC makes otherwise good threads unreadable with his infectious mental illness

Shoutout to BGC for being a part time good poster

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I linked this thread (where the ban happened) when I locked the other one.

How is that keeping things quiet?

Now you're just reaching.

i dunno anything bout da deal w/ deal an druff, but i do know beefs are moar impotent than potentially bringn down the online poker industry

here u go.

get esko on your show..i know you're working diligently on bringing down the industry and wanted to do you a solid

great story as it require no proof

Hi, my name is Esko and am a finnish software engineer - i am on vacation in Italy now and took some time to write this post.

Until the 31st of december 2007 i have been working at one of the major poker sites as a programmer and now that my contract has expired i would like to share some simple info with you that should make you more aware of what you're dealing with.

Ever wondered why so many times you see AA vs KK preflop? Why you or your opponent hit that straight at the river? Why more often than it ought be fish playing with rags flops a monster?
All poker room's random card generators are not as random as you'd expect them to be: let's say they're SEMI-random. I'll explain in simple words how it works, at least how the one i've been programming and revising works.

Out of 100 hands (i use 100 to simplify) dealt, at least 50 are completely random - we used a complex algorythm to generate the cards which i won't explain in detail - what happens to the rest of the hands? Well they're semi-random because at times at least 2 players (randomly chosen) get one of the following: suited connectors, connectors, ace-x suited, AK or big pocket pairs and at the same time the flop gives both (or more) of them good odds for improving their hand or a made hand. Then the engine does the following - algorythms may vary whether it is a ring game or a tournament - it favors the stronger player, the one with the most chips. But remember, it is not always like that, but the odds are in his favor let's say 60/70 out of 100 times. At times, instead, just to mix things up, it favors those who play with rags like Q7 or 36 giving them made hands at the flop , just to make it more likely they will slowplay, get called and then go all in at showdown.

Other times the game looks like a regular game but then comes the miracle river, i.e. a card that would make one player the flush and the other the full house...
Well, this is a simplification, the overall trick is very complex and very subtle to detect, but what it does is essentially make tourneys finish faster and make ring games get richer pots with players busting out sooner and looser players stay in the game and make the game go more crazy than it otherwise would be.

I repeat, the system works in very subtle ways, but the main outcome is this:
Faster tourneys=more tourneys x hour=more people buying in=more $$
More people busting out in ring games=more $$ deposited
More loose play="Any two will do" mentality=more $$ coming in as rakes

And don't come telling me about game commissions, random generators checked out etc.etc. - it's all bullshit - besides being the algorythms very subtle (yet effective) thus not easily detectable, some commisions can be easily manipulated, tricked, bribed etc etc. -
What is detectable is the outcome: more monster hands being flopped, more AA vs KK preflop all-ins, more "miracle" river cards etc.etc. but what commissions are approving are the seemingly "random" card generators (rember: the cards are random but the outcome of the hand is not!), not the odds they get out of 100.000 recorded hands https://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerf.../icon_wink.gif so although the end of day stats show that the game is clearly rigged because of the clearly impossible high number of monster hands clashing with one another, your average poker room has a RNG commission-approved, fish players are happy because * at times * they win big with rags at the flop and good players are happy because * at times * their solid play works and they get called to the river. Well, it's your old casino system at work, (if they guy next to me hit the jackpot, it could happen to me too) but in poker rooms it is disguised as a fair and truly level and random game between players, as if the house was just there as a service provider.

Tip nr.1: If in a multi table tournament you're a short stack, your chances of making it to the money are much lower than what you think.
Tip nr.2:Be aware to go all-in preflop with KK because it is likely someone else will call you with AA!
Tip nr.3:Be aware to go all-in preflop with AA (especially if you're a short stack https://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerf.../icon_wink.gif)- the big stack next to you will call with 22 and flop a set or a flush more often than what the odds say!
So, in the end, forget Doyle Brunson's Supersystem, Phil Hellmuth's Play like the pros and even Poker for Dummies when you're online, because at your poker room the outcome is more doomed by chance than what your odds calculators say and the house has a big edge, and is not a mere spectator dealing cards.

P.S.: And what about the pros playing at some major sites? well you think they are featured for free? Of course they get paid to play at that site, shut up about odds and praise that room on gambling magazines: oh look! Mr. XYZ plays at ABC! if he plays there it must be a great site with a truly fair game!