Active shooter in Las Vegas

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Originally Posted by DirtyB

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Originally Posted by blake

hard to believe that authorities still wouldn't have come up with anything terror-related if this guy really was inspired by ISIS, so i've got lower that percentage chance. still unbelievable to me that they haven't come up with any motive whatsoever. this is the most bizarre thing i've ever heard of.


but the craziest part of this story is that it might be possible to be a +EV slot player

druff, we're going to need you to break down if this is really possible and exactly how it could be done cause i'm about ready to quit my job.

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Plenty of mass killings have had no clear motive. I don't know why you think it's impossible.

I think the media fucked up his income. They say things like "paddock reported $5M in gambling profits in 2015". I think someone pulled his W2-Gs, saw they totalled $5M for the year, and misunderstood what that meant. If he played 10 hours a week at $100/hand, he could easily have spent $5M winning that $5M back.

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lolz if he is capable of doing what he did i'm sure he wasn't shy about fudging on his taxes a bit

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit

His conscience must have gotten the best of him. Key witness kills himself and performs mercy killing on daughter.

http://thenewyorknewsday.com/2017/10...ing-fbi-raid/#

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'The CIA, this report further notes, has long been known to eliminate witnesses to their “murder sacrifice” “false flag” operations—and that includes the hundreds of witnesses mysteriously killed following the 9/11 “Tower Sacrifice”'


lol i dont know what i was expecting from one of your links.

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Lol I can't believe you got that deep into the article. It says in like the second paragraph that he shot himself in the back of the head with a shotgun.

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Originally Posted by big dick

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Originally Posted by DirtyB

Plenty of mass killings have had no clear motive. I don't know why you think it's impossible.

I think the media fucked up his income. They say things like "paddock reported $5M in gambling profits in 2015". I think someone pulled his W2-Gs, saw they totalled $5M for the year, and misunderstood what that meant. If he played 10 hours a week at $100/hand, he could easily have spent $5M winning that $5M back.

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lolz if he is capable of doing what he did i'm sure he wasn't shy about fudging on his taxes a bit

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Have you ever gotten a W2-G? They exist so that you can't hide gambling wins from the IRS.

Obv the bell hops were in on it and the video poker machines were sending him subliminal messages.

Las Vegas gunman seemed like 'a rational man,' Steve Wynn tells 'Fox News Sunday'
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/08...ws-sunday.html

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The Las Vegas gunman, Stephen Paddock, reportedly was holed up in his suite at the Mandalay Bay for three days, instituting a type of “do not disturb” policy that Wynn says would have alerted his Wynn Resorts staff to investigate.

“We also have rules about do not disturb,” Wynn said. “If a room goes on do not disturb for more than 12 hours, we investigate. We constantly -- we don't allow guns in this building unless they're being carried by our employees and there's a lot of them. But if anybody's got a gun and we find them continually, we eject them from the hotel.”

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Really? About half the people in the Hotel use "Do Not Disturb" signs, especially in Las Vegas, where people party and gamble into 4 in the morning.
Then go to sleep until 4 in the afternoon.

I seriously doubt that Steve Wynn would have caught the shooter at his Hotel.
He's just mad because the shooter was a well known gambler and VIP at his Hotel as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMC7H4cTe6Y

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

Las Vegas gunman seemed like 'a rational man,' Steve Wynn tells 'Fox News Sunday'
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/08...ws-sunday.html

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The Las Vegas gunman, Stephen Paddock, reportedly was holed up in his suite at the Mandalay Bay for three days, instituting a type of “do not disturb” policy that Wynn says would have alerted his Wynn Resorts staff to investigate.

“We also have rules about do not disturb,” Wynn said. “If a room goes on do not disturb for more than 12 hours, we investigate. We constantly -- we don't allow guns in this building unless they're being carried by our employees and there's a lot of them. But if anybody's got a gun and we find them continually, we eject them from the hotel.”

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Really? About half the people in the Hotel use "Do Not Disturb" signs, especially in Las Vegas, where people party and gamble into 4 in the morning.
Then go to sleep until 4 in the afternoon.

I seriously doubt that Steve Wynn would have caught the shooter at his Hotel.
He's just mad because the shooter was a well known gambler and VIP at his Hotel as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMC7H4cTe6Y

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There are lies, and there are lies.


This nonsense however is a whole new ballgame.

Anyone have a picture of Jesus Campos? Why no interviews with this "hero" yet?

Why isn't Trump in front of a camera with this guy beating him off?

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Originally Posted by devidee

Anyone have a picture of Jesus Campos? Why no interviews with this "hero" yet?

Why isn't Trump in front of a camera with this guy beating him off?

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PROLLY WENT UNDER THE KNIFE THE NEXT DAY IN PREPARATION FOR HIS NEXT IDENTITY/ASSIGNMENT.

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Originally Posted by DirtyB

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Originally Posted by big dick

lolz if he is capable of doing what he did i'm sure he wasn't shy about fudging on his taxes a bit

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Have you ever gotten a W2-G? They exist so that you can't hide gambling wins from the IRS.

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One thing i have never understood about Vegas (which doesn't apply to the shooter). You have to fill out a form for any jackpot 1200 and above on slots (including electronic roulette) but but could win any amount (including table game roulette) and they dont make you fill out any forms. Seems as if that is a major leak the IRS is knowingly allowing to happen to appease Vegas.

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Originally Posted by cmoney

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Originally Posted by DirtyB

Have you ever gotten a W2-G? They exist so that you can't hide gambling wins from the IRS.

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One thing i have never understood about Vegas (which doesn't apply to the shooter). You have to fill out a form for any jackpot 1200 and above on slots (including electronic roulette) but but could win any amount (including table game roulette) and they dont make you fill out any forms. Seems as if that is a major leak the IRS is knowingly allowing to happen to appease Vegas.

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That's the exact same thing here in Michigan.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/us/las...ion/index.html

More info:

- He brought his guns up over a period of days, as I had assumed

- Video shows no evidence of anyone with him at the Mandalay Bay at any time

- No one else entered his room

- The security guard's quick response was due to an alarm from a room a few doors down, not because of the broken windows or the gunfire in Paddock's room. Jesus Campos, the guard, went up to check on this alarm, and then Paddock saw him on the camera and shot him in the leg through the door. This seems to have spooked Paddock, as he likely killed himself after that. He did not fire on the crowd after shooting Campos, likely (erroneously) believing that a large police response was right behind him. Mandalay Bay is claiming that the alarm was in error, because the door from that room was not open, nor did Paddock have access to it. However, I think it's more likely that the alarm occurred because the door wasn't fully closed, and the vibration from the gunfire a few rooms down might have jostled it. The Mandalay Bay is calling it a "coincidence", but I believe there's almost no chance that the alarm and Paddock's actions were unrelated. Anyway, this stupid alarm actually saved a lot of lives, given the slow police response.

- It appears that Paddock was actually firing from inside the room, so people wouldn't be able to see the flashes from his gunfire. It was very difficult to determine where the gunfire was coming from, hence the mass confusion outside. Brilliant plan, actually.

- It is not certain, but it is now assumed that Paddock first tried to blow up the nearby fuel tanks by firing upon them, and then gave up and started shooting at the crowd. It's still not understood why Paddock thought his plan to shoot fuel tanks into an explosion would work, as he had no chance of causing that to occur.

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WOW......
The Guard went up because the alarm for the key coded door was triggered..The door was ajar...Left opened. It was noted in first Interviews.
I read the Bellhop theory which is Totally stupid. Very hard to do with cameras and hotel staff taking notes of a guy moving his gd house into the casino for a few days stay.

You now say He stood inside his room and shot at the crowd to conceal himself and the muzzle flash. You relise the angle of the shot to hit the crowd is not straight..Correct? If hes in the right window aiming at the crowd he had to of turn his body to the left to even try to hit the area...If he shot from the Left side window he would of had to turn his body to the gd Right to hit the area....Now u got him inside the room shooting at theses angles n hitting people over 1000 ft LMAO.

By the way you probably assume he was propped up or laying down shooting at people....Bump Stock will not work unless your standing......
Like I said you're watching Tv news agreeing with what their saying but miss their mistakes. And Its hard to conceal a muzzle flash at night...Show me 1 flash from either window on the 32nd floor......
Heres a video detective when it really starts not when aldean runs..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCrN...&index=65&t=9s


And 1 more thing heres my theory enough said do some homework couch potato

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Originally Posted by cmoney

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Originally Posted by DirtyB

Have you ever gotten a W2-G? They exist so that you can't hide gambling wins from the IRS.

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One thing i have never understood about Vegas (which doesn't apply to the shooter). You have to fill out a form for any jackpot 1200 and above on slots (including electronic roulette) but but could win any amount (including table game roulette) and they dont make you fill out any forms. Seems as if that is a major leak the IRS is knowingly allowing to happen to appease Vegas.

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gonna guess this was the casinos' compromise with the IRS...sure if this was the IRS they would want all that shit monitored and forms filled out...casinos probably cried poor and said, 'it would be too much of a disruption to our business if we had to stop every table game to fill out forms'...I remember being at some meetings at the evil empire and there was talk that the IRS wanted to decrease that number from 1200 to 600 or something like that (obviously so they'd capture more jackpots) and the upper management fucktards had their dicks all in a bunch because that meant they'd have to hire more $12-15/hour slot attendants because jackpots would increase...

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Originally Posted by cmoney

One thing i have never understood about Vegas (which doesn't apply to the shooter). You have to fill out a form for any jackpot 1200 and above on slots (including electronic roulette) but but could win any amount (including table game roulette) and they dont make you fill out any forms. Seems as if that is a major leak the IRS is knowingly allowing to happen to appease Vegas.

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Aside from the $1,200 rule at slots, you do actually receive a W2G at table games where the payoff is more than 300-1 on the original bet (just like the horse races). I have a relative who hit a royal flush on one of those Texas Hold 'Em casino parlor table games for $10K and a W2G was handed out. It was not a machine game: Actual cards dealt on a felt table with live dealer. Don't remember if it was Hold'Em Shootout or Ultimate Hold'Em.

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Originally Posted by RealNoNameYet

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/us/las...ion/index.html

More info:

- He brought his guns up over a period of days, as I had assumed

- Video shows no evidence of anyone with him at the Mandalay Bay at any time

- No one else entered his room

- The security guard's quick response was due to an alarm from a room a few doors down, not because of the broken windows or the gunfire in Paddock's room. Jesus Campos, the guard, went up to check on this alarm, and then Paddock saw him on the camera and shot him in the leg through the door. This seems to have spooked Paddock, as he likely killed himself after that. He did not fire on the crowd after shooting Campos, likely (erroneously) believing that a large police response was right behind him. Mandalay Bay is claiming that the alarm was in error, because the door from that room was not open, nor did Paddock have access to it. However, I think it's more likely that the alarm occurred because the door wasn't fully closed, and the vibration from the gunfire a few rooms down might have jostled it. The Mandalay Bay is calling it a "coincidence", but I believe there's almost no chance that the alarm and Paddock's actions were unrelated. Anyway, this stupid alarm actually saved a lot of lives, given the slow police response.

- It appears that Paddock was actually firing from inside the room, so people wouldn't be able to see the flashes from his gunfire. It was very difficult to determine where the gunfire was coming from, hence the mass confusion outside. Brilliant plan, actually.

- It is not certain, but it is now assumed that Paddock first tried to blow up the nearby fuel tanks by firing upon them, and then gave up and started shooting at the crowd. It's still not understood why Paddock thought his plan to shoot fuel tanks into an explosion would work, as he had no chance of causing that to occur.

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WOW......
The Guard went up because the alarm for the key coded door was triggered..The door was ajar...Left opened. It was noted in first Interviews.
I read the Bellhop theory which is Totally stupid. Very hard to do with cameras and hotel staff taking notes of a guy moving his gd house into the casino for a few days stay.

You now say He stood inside his room and shot at the crowd to conceal himself and the muzzle flash. You relise the angle of the shot to hit the crowd is not straight..Correct? If hes in the right window aiming at the crowd he had to of turn his body to the left to even try to hit the area...If he shot from the Left side window he would of had to turn his body to the gd Right to hit the area....Now u got him inside the room shooting at theses angles n hitting people over 1000 ft LMAO.

By the way you probably assume he was propped up or laying down shooting at people....Bump Stock will not work unless your standing......
Like I said you're watching Tv news agreeing with what their saying but miss their mistakes. And Its hard to conceal a muzzle flash at night...Show me 1 flash from either window on the 32nd floor......
Heres a video detective when it really starts not when aldean runs..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCrN...&index=65&t=9s


And 1 more thing heres my theory enough said do some homework couch potato

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It's already well documented he had platforms... He was standing. It also has been confirmed he was set back in the room, therefore making the muzzle flash harder to see. It also has been established that most of the concert goers were withing 400 yards of his range. All of his guns were able to hit that range with some accuracy, and some up to 1,000 yards. I'm sure none of this registers with you and you think I'm an idiot for believing what the police and every other PROFESSIONAL involved with the investigation is saying, as opposed to all you moronic internet detectives out there, and that's your right.

Aaaannnddd....the story changes AGAIN:

NEW: Mandalay Bay security guard was shot before the concert shooting occurred, according to Las Vegas sheriff Lombardo

STOP WITH THE QUESTIONS, GOY!!!

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Originally Posted by cmoney

One thing i have never understood about Vegas (which doesn't apply to the shooter). You have to fill out a form for any jackpot 1200 and above on slots (including electronic roulette) but but could win any amount (including table game roulette) and they dont make you fill out any forms. Seems as if that is a major leak the IRS is knowingly allowing to happen to appease Vegas.

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Aside from the $1,200 rule at slots, you do actually receive a W2G at table games where the payoff is more than 300-1 on the original bet (just like the horse races). I have a relative who hit a royal flush on one of those Texas Hold 'Em casino parlor table games for $10K and a W2G was handed out. It was not a machine game: Actual cards dealt on a felt table with live dealer. Don't remember if it was Hold'Em Shootout or Ultimate Hold'Em.

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Lucky Chances Casino basically hands you a tax form at the same time it pays out any poker jackpots.

But only for 10k and over I think?

Grain of salt that.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...009-story.html

New revelations: Las Vegas gunman shot security guard before opening fire on concert-goers, police say

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Lucky Chances Casino basically hands you a tax form at the same time it pays out any poker jackpots.

But only for 10k and over I think?

Grain of salt that.

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AFAIK for any table game, longshot sports parlay, or exotic bets at the racetrack the rule is minimum $600 and 300:1 odds (both conditions met) for W2-G

W2G's only for $1200 and up for machines regardless of odds, which is a hassle for hi-stakes slots/VP players

If you win prizes over $600 at drawings you should receive a 1099-MISC form

With your $10K figure you fill out a currency transaction report if you want cash instead of check

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Originally Posted by DRK Star

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...009-story.html

New revelations: Las Vegas gunman shot security guard before opening fire on concert-goers, police say

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So basically, the narrative and timeline pushed by the media over the last week was entirely wrong?

There is only one man that can break this case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE0fzoEJa1Y

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Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said.

Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

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:lol

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Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said.

Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

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I suppose all I would want to know is, how bad the shot was and why didn't the guard immediately have police called? or did/could he?

The police now saying he checked in on the 25th and not the 28th.

It appears the LVPD is reading 4chan simply to keep up.

PROFESSIONAL LULZ

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I'm sure none of this registers with you and you think I'm an idiot for believing what the police and every other PROFESSIONAL involved with the investigation is saying, as opposed to all you moronic internet detectives out there, and that's your right.

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So now they're saying that the security guard was shot before the gunman began firing on the crowd, and that he heard drilling in the gunmans room. This means that the security guard was in the hall listening to the gunman unload thousands of rounds.

Completely different time-line than we thought.

The guard didn't stop the gunfire, but perhaps he is responsible for rushing the shooter to begin his plan before he was ready?

Also, seems very possible that with better communication the gunman could of been stopped much soon or even before he started?

I wonder how much time there was between when the gunman fired on the guard and the first shots on the crowd.

When did he knock out the windows?

Also, would it make sense to knock them out with a hammer when you have a gun? Shooting them out makes more sense to me.

OOPSIE DAISY, LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE WENT OFF SCRIPT SOMEWHERE THAT NIGHT. DONT WORRY GOY, WE FIGURED IT OUT, *COUGH COUGH* HERE IS THE REAL TIMELINE. AHEM AHEM.


THE HOAX IS UNRAVELLING.

I wouldn't say hoax, the "official story" is definitely bull shit tho.

more conspiracy fodder;

a company selling acoustic gunshot location towers couldnt close on a contract with LV, negotiations bottomed out shortly before the shooting.

:tealizard

Im still laughing at the "Firing from way back inside the room to hide muzzle flash" theory............Wait he was on platforms right? wayy inside room shooting..Hell of a shot!!! What Rambo posted that????

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Im still laughing at the "Firing from way back inside the room to hide muzzle flash" theory............Wait he was on platforms right? wayy inside room shooting..Hell of a shot!!! What Rambo posted that????

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You should probably just go away, we are full up on your kind of retarded.

O wait Just Breaking news AGAIN......"In significant timeline change, Vegas sheriff says Mandalay Bay security guard was shot 6 minutes before first shots were fired at crowd."
So now 6 mins Before shooting on crowd...Shall we wait a few more hours I feel another retraction n correction coming from the Police and Pro's

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Originally Posted by RealNoNameYet

Im still laughing at the "Firing from way back inside the room to hide muzzle flash" theory............Wait he was on platforms right? wayy inside room shooting..Hell of a shot!!! What Rambo posted that????

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You should probably just go away, we are full up on your kind of retarded.

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I relise your closed mind is having a hard time accepting the Police/Fbi Bullshit theory...Their trying to fix it for you...

Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concertgoers, police reveal
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...009-story.html

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“Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said at a Monday news conference.

Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said. He didn’t say whether Campos notified casino security after he was shot.

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Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

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Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

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Lombardo also revised the date on which police believe Paddock checked into Mandalay Bay. While initially they said he had checked in on Sept. 28, three days before the shooting, they now believe he checked in on Sept. 25.

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Sounds like police are trying to create a narrative that casino security and the Las Vegas police are fucking heroes.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/Las-V...02_4x3_992.jpg

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concertgoers, police reveal
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...009-story.html

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Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

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Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

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Lombardo also revised the date on which police believe Paddock checked into Mandalay Bay. While initially they said he had checked in on Sept. 28, three days before the shooting, they now believe he checked in on Sept. 25.

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Sounds like police are trying to create a narrative that casino security and the Las Vegas police are fucking heroes.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/Las-V...02_4x3_992.jpg

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XF- whAt do you think really happened ?

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You should probably just go away, we are full up on your kind of retarded.

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I relise your closed mind is having a hard time accepting the Police/Fbi Bullshit theory...Their trying to fix it for you...

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I RELISE that there is no chance I am the first person to call you a retard today.

Real Eyes Relise Real Lies

Stay woke fam

for the record I have fake eyes.

Anybody saw a police press conference after a major incident were they come out and say "we fucked up" or "we could've dealt with things differently"

Nope, me either. Like ever.

In Britain, the police have a long history of covering up their costly mistakes.

Google "Hillsborough". Their fuck up cost 96 people their lives. They spent 25 years covering it up with help from the political elite... Massive conspiracy, but thankfully they're standing trial for manslaughter as we speak.

Not the same situation here I know. But we all know the police will try to cover their incompetent arses at any cost.

Like that timeline on the security guard is new information to them lol. Lying bastards.

CALM BEFORE THE STORM!!!

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Anybody saw a police press conference after a major incident were they come out and say "we fucked up" or "we could've dealt with things differently"

Nope, me either. Like ever.

In Britain, the police have a long history of covering up their costly mistakes.

Google "Hillsborough". Their fuck up cost 96 people their lives. They spent 25 years covering it up with help from the political elite... Massive conspiracy, but thankfully they're standing trial for manslaughter as we speak.

Not the same situation here I know. But we all know the police will try to cover their incompetent arses at any cost.

Like that timeline on the security guard is new information to them lol. Lying bastards.

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I agree, also applies to State and Federal Agencies.