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the republican protests popping up are game changers, one way or another.
either there is no fallout from this in 2 weeks (the canary in the coal mine lives) and we can actually put this behind us... or the canary in the coal mine dies, and rural america's health care system collapses utterly under an influx of fatass honkys with high deductibles.
What I am trying to figure out is why most of the deaths are in states controlled by Democratic Governors.
because they have cities unlike flyover country?Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
You would think places in the US like California, Florida, Texas and internationally like Australia, New Zeland India, Thailand & Pakistan would be over run by Corona. Instead it’s Europe, China and NY, NJ, Illinois, Michigan and Washington..... wonder what’s so different?
Preliminary results from government lab experiments show that the coronavirus does not survive long in high temperatures and high humidity, and is quickly destroyed by sunlight, providing evidence from controlled tests of what scientists believed — but had not yet proved — to be true.
The study found that the risk of “transmission from surfaces outdoors is lower during daylight” and under higher temperature and humidity conditions. “Sunlight destroys the virus quickly,” reads the briefing.
It has to be temperature and less mass transit. Nothing else makes sense. If it’s simply less mass transit, you’ll eventually get there, just slower and more typical of a normal state, but I think heat has to be a factor. They have done everything wrong in Florida. It should be a bloodbath. Plus it’s ancient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
Across the border in one of the mill towns in Pa they were giving away a box of basically like $40 in staples. It was like they were giving out Xbox consoles.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTickle
Even the states who have it together still haven’t even added the necessary framework to give unemployment on the state or federal level to the self-employed or independent contractors. They’ll get it eventually, but the system isn’t set up for it.
If you’re a bartender or waitress or hairdresser or anything else like that where you can make say $500 -$1000 a week doing and survive and feed your couple kids given the low cost of living, you were just cut off cold in a matter of days and haven’t saw a penny. We aren’t most countries that can get $ into peoples hands quickly. Go directly. Even the banking framework is set up that the treasury dispersing $ to people for the stimulus goes through third party banking channels that serve as middle men. People will be going back to work before they ever see any money, so people are hurting.
I’ve loaned $3k to a buddy of mine this week who is a fairly prosperous barber I’ve known for a long time because he got double whammied going through a divorce and getting a new house like a week before this all hit. He’ll be fine and he’s good for it. He isn’t some addict or anything. Just bad timing. He didn’t ask for it. He could have drawn on credit, but I offered because he has a few shops and was stressed.
I have multiple friends who have had to loan money to family members to get them through. Forget kids. Everyone is taking care of their adult children and helping them stay afloat. It’s not that the government was necessarily heartless. I think they’ve been ok with the purse strings. The infrastructure to get $ into people’s hands is antiquated and poor.
You mean like Indianapolis and Cleveland and Columbus? Why is Detroit so high as a border state with a Democratic Governor but the two guys below her are doing just fine. Why is Texas doing just fine but LA is not? You just got owned.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakebecause they have cities unlike flyover country?Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
... except California hasn't been warm, and most of it usually isn't warm until well into summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRIt has to be temperature and less mass transit. Nothing else makes sense. If it’s simply less mass transit, you’ll eventually get there, just slower and more typical of a normal state, but I think heat has to be a factor. They have done everything wrong in Florida. It should be a bloodbath. Plus it’s ancient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
It's the lack of mass transit and the general lack of "walking around in the city" culture, which is the polar opposite of NYC.
Many from outside of California picture the LA area to be another Florida, weather-wise. It's not. Los Angeles has a winter -- just a mild one compared to the rest of the country. Then it warms up very slowly starting in mid-February, peaking in late August. It's not like much of the country which fairly abruptly goes from cold to nice to hot.
It's funny, because just before that sunlight study came out, I said, "I wonder if it's more about the sunlight than the temperature", and sure enough, sunlight seems to be a factor. Not only is there more sunlight in the spring and summer, but the elevation angle of the sun is higher, meaning direct sunlight hits more spots both indoors and outdoors. You're not getting much sun shining directly into your window in January.
New York is starting to drop quickly in hospitalizations. LOL at needing 30,000 ventilators. They did not even use the 4,000 the Feds gave them. And the Navy ship barely being used. LOL. #batflu.
Wouldn’t the better question be why hasn’t Fox News learned this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You have never owned anyone, ever. And just the fact that you felt the need to say that, at your age, is sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullYou mean like Indianapolis and Cleveland and Columbus? Why is Detroit so high as a border state with a Democratic Governor but the two guys below her are doing just fine. Why is Texas doing just fine but LA is not? You just got owned.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
More like that was the Fox "news" talking point was last night. I'm sure there is a diamond and silk video out asking this same question.
NY was 1st due to travel,
First it was '12k that all?' it has over tripled since, we're gonna fly past 60k.
Now this?
You keep posting like its over and we are looking back,
The red states are going to explode, soon.
Then that post will look as moronic as all his previous ones.
And the "NY ordered too many ventilators" is a losing argument, so what if Cuomo ordered too many?
We end up w/more ventilators than we needed, what if Trump was wrong?
Its not a construction bid. where you want to nail the costs.
This obv Fox's ploy to dump Trump's job on the states.
Why not compare US to So Korea? Or New Zealand? Or Germany?
I understand that. I said temperature but I kind of meant not dreary and cold. Sunlight makes sense. I’ve looked at the 10 day here and went ugh. Highs in the mid 50s and dreary for the most part and it snowed yesterday. Not conducive to an improvement. There is something to why these sunnier and warmer climates are faring better than average per capita. Especially Florida even more than California given how old it is. California has been on the ball and is healthier. Florida has been Florida and old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff... except California hasn't been warm, and most of it usually isn't warm until well into summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
It's the lack of mass transit and the general lack of "walking around in the city" culture, which is the polar opposite of NYC.
Many from outside of California picture the LA area to be another Florida, weather-wise. It's not. Los Angeles has a winter -- just a mild one compared to the rest of the country. Then it warms up very slowly starting in mid-February, peaking in late August. It's not like much of the country which fairly abruptly goes from cold to nice to hot.
It's funny, because just before that sunlight study came out, I said, "I wonder if it's more about the sunlight than the temperature", and sure enough, sunlight seems to be a factor. Not only is there more sunlight in the spring and summer, but the elevation angle of the sun is higher, meaning direct sunlight hits more spots both indoors and outdoors. You're not getting much sun shining directly into your window in January.
splitthis is going to be happy. Her obesity theory was proven correct in NYC. It was found to be the 2nd most important factor for COVID-19 hospitalization risk, behind age. However, it was noted that it was "dwarfed" by age, meaning that an old non-obese person had a far greater chance to be hospitalized than a middle-aged obese person.
Obesity was defined as a BMI of 30 or greater. I fall under that (though not by much), coming in at 29. I would like to see this also studied for BMIs higher than 30 (such as 35+).
Here's an interesting flow chart:
https://zdnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/...ovid-cases.jpg
Some interesting findings:
87% of people over 65 who came in to test for COVID-19 were admitted to the hospital (!!), compared to 37% of those under 65.
Those obese and under 65 were still admitted 60% of the time, and 70% of the time if they were obese and over 35 years old!
Only 13% of those tested positive who were aged 20-44 AND non-obese were admitted.
Diabetes was a huge factor, as you'd expect, but especially for males. Men 45+ who were diabetic were admitted 83% of the time, whereas women 45+ with diabetes were only admitted 57% of the time.
Black men also got admitted a lot. Non-obese, non-diabetic black men 45+ who tested positive were admitted 60% of the time, compared to 45% for whites.
These were samples, and not hard percentages from all the NYC hospitals.
do you have a theory or are you just being a plumberQuote:
Originally Posted by tgullYou mean like Indianapolis and Cleveland and Columbus? Why is Detroit so high as a border state with a Democratic Governor but the two guys below her are doing just fine. Why is Texas doing just fine but LA is not? You just got owned.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...ction-program/
This article is interesting as it shows that the PPP SBA benefits have gone disproportionately to red states and infers it may be for political reasons. I have a fair amount of insight as to how this program has rolled out and I honestly don’t believe their is any political motivation to this and think it’s just based on circumstances. Originally each participating bank got an allotment of dollars they could lend through the program. That got scrapped pretty quickly because Wells Fargo and I think B of A had such a large amount requested they eliminated that cap.
But I think In red states you have more regional and community banks that have more personal small business banking relationships and thus they were able to cater to their clientele quicker and easier. The large banks just got so overwhelmed with requests.
The crazy thing though is through this program the banks had absolute control and say over which customers they allocated their dollars. And obviously smart business dictates you look out for and prioritize your best clients. Who are also likely the ones who are the least in need of the free money. And it is free money so long as you meet the terms. The little guys who were most in need likely are getting screwed in this program. The 349B is already all allocated. I think Congress will ultimately raise the amount but time is money for these small businesses right now.
If you’re a small business that doesn’t have a lending relationship, I.e. deposit only you most likely totally got screwed. I know some banks initially looked at this as an opportunity to gather new business by taking on some new clients that fit that profile but this thing moved so fast there was virtually no way that had time to materialize.
When you think about it is a socialist program benefiting capitalists.
How many millionaire plumbers do you know? Not many I suspect. Did you get your government check yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by blakedo you have a theory or are you just being a plumberQuote:
Originally Posted by tgull
I don’t really see the point of this chart. Obviously when your country’s population is 40k then it’s easy to scale up and test 10% of those people.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTickle
Right but unlike when they push some nonsense diet or psuedo-vitamin, state tv gives them run to push dangerous takes on the pandemic that inevitably leads to more Fox News viewers having a flippant attitude, more to die etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffSo you're just learning right now that TV doctors are quacks?
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Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
Surely as someone who defers to science you can see how dangerously the conservative media is handling this.
Seattle is doing fine with no sunlight to find anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRI understand that. I said temperature but I kind of meant not dreary and cold. Sunlight makes sense. I’ve looked at the 10 day here and went ugh. Highs in the mid 50s and dreary for the most part and it snowed yesterday. Not conducive to an improvement. There is something to why these sunnier and warmer climates are faring better than average per capita. Especially Florida even more than California given how old it is. California has been on the ball and is healthier. Florida has been Florida and old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff