funny thing is, black people are generally more skeptical of vaccines AND the government, but hey, cnn says they're not
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funny thing is, black people are generally more skeptical of vaccines AND the government, but hey, cnn says they're not
Before anyone tries to defend this:
Explain to me why a 95-year-old with major preexisting conditions can't get the vaccine for a month, but a 25-year-old healthcare or essential worker can get it before them.
Does this make any fucking sense?
"BBBBBBUT THEM ESSENTIAL WORKERS DUN SPREAD DA DISEASE MORE"
Yeah, but if you vaccinate the group which is dying from it, then "spreading the disease more" will matter much less, amirite?
It's amazing how little the science is actually followed by the left. As Nate Silver (who is no right-winger, obviously) tweeted above, he has "bit his tongue" for a long time about the poor public policy decisions being made by certain politicians who falsely claim to be "following the science".
And he's not talking about Trump or the right.
are there any reliable stats that prove or disprove that frontline medical workers catch covid at a higher rate? I mean THEY'RE WEARING THEIR MASKS RIGHT? THAT force field that stops the virus in its tracks, they should be fineQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Here we go....
https://youtu.be/dtKMEAXyPkg
Exponential growth isn’t just a baccarat strategyQuote:
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Typhoid Mary
alsoooo..... Nate Silver is theater if not an outright fraud
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
you might be the most scientifically illiterate poster on your own site.
healthcare workers save lives. by protecting them from a disease they are able to provide care that can save hundreds/thousands of lives.
without them, we dont have health care. for anything.
jesus dude read a book.
ohhh daaaaang todge this burger is coming at your neck bro
equally frustrating are the "OMG POLITICIANS ARE GETTING THE VACCINE BEFORE SUCH AND SUCH" posts out there.
like yeah news flash karen; continuity of government is considered essential, you also wont be allowed into the cheyenne mountain nuclear bunker when the bombs start to drop.
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Originally Posted by lol wow
how actual dare
ohhhhhhhhh danng bro this burger is coming at your non belief in the continuity of goverment yall
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Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
you might be the most scientifically illiterate poster on your own site.
healthcare workers save lives. by protecting them from a disease they are able to provide care that can save hundreds/thousands of lives.
without them, we dont have health care. for anything.
jesus dude read a book.
Since the dawn of time there has been a nursing shortage. Nobody needs nurses out for weeks.
annnnd.... apropos of nothing here.....nobody discusses the absolute pain in the ass it is to have employees out because of contact tracing and quarantine. It ain’t just death that’s disruptive to society.
Lol books. Shots fired
the whole notion of biological warfare is largely predicated on the same physics as land mines; its not about creating deaths, its about disrupting a society's ability to function. if you blow off a dudes foot, it takes like 5 people to save his life. if you kill him, you have 5 people with free time to shoot back at you.Quote:
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Since the dawn of time there has been a nursing shortage. Nobody needs nurses out for weeks.
annnnd.... nobody discusses the absolute pain in the ass it is to have employees out because of contact tracing and quarantine. It ain’t just death that’s disruptive to society.
Lol books. Shots fired
a virus is basically a contagious land mine with the potential to infect the 5 people needed to fix every victim.
there was a great moment in an otherwise forgettable documentary series about a post-collapse civilization where some rube nicks his finger while chopping vegetables for dinner. he puts a bandaid on it. it gets infected. the tube of antibiotics is empty. no knows shit about what herbs to create a poultice from, there arent any hospitals because supply chains are done, so the countdown begins.
you know what happens when an infected finger goes untreated and the body misses its outs on the river?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GTq9Zsif2A
billions of dollars and the brightest minds available have spent decades calculating where to delegate resources during pandemics, including vaccines. ill fuck with them over the dunning kruger sosh media scene personally.
also the VUI202012/01 strain is about to change a lot of lives for the worse.
Computer tech comes into my buddy’s real estate office. Goes from desk to desk.
He tests positive. Contact trace ... All his realtors now are scurrying for two tests. Out of work. What is he going to do as he is dealing with the public and he cannot risk his firm’s reputation.
Shit show. Not to mention everyone is shelling out $150 a swabbing.
Waiting for MedCram to coverQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
or Nate Silver
The city is under siege. All able men to the front. There is a shortage of guns, and your strategy is to give one to grandma holed up her nursing home? Good thing you weren’t in charge of St. Petersburg in WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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Originally Posted by JayjamiThe city is under siege. All able men to the front. There is a shortage of guns, and your strategy is to give one to grandma holed up her nursing home? Good thing you weren’t in charge of St. Petersburg in WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
im guessing someones mom and dad waved around a sack of cash to cut the line and were told to fuck themselves.
an absolutely fascinating look at what happens when algs go bad:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-medical-resid
stanford used AI to determine who gets their vaccine.
5000 doses. 1300 resident medical workers.
the AI selected *seven* of the residents for vaccination.
why?
bad data entry and improper weights;
many residents did not have their locations properly entered in the data set, and their young age left them under prioritized.
alg driven medicine is non-trivial. want some bullet proof career advice? learn python.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...cdc-guidelines
Ivanka Trump, Famed Public Health Expert, Screened CDC Guidance to Make Sure It Was Nice to Her Dad
sorry i think druff was saying something about how "the left" would have handled this just as poorly? something to that effect?
don't worry, famed health expert bill gates is on your sideQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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flagged in italy just now.
OH NO ANOTHER STRAIN OF THE WEAKEST VIRUS KNOWN TO MANQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
flagged in italy just now.
ROFL FUCKING DOOMER FAG
So you’ve implying Jew gold can’t buy everything?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineim guessing someones mom and dad waved around a sack of cash to cut the line and were told to fuck themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayjami
One subject that hasn’t been brought up. Trump’s mass genocide of the elderly is going to avert the insolvency of social security and Medicare for at least another 10 years. MAGA.
you should know that yes i laughed out loud but it wasnt an emotionally healthy sort of laughter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayjamiSo you’ve implying Jew gold can’t buy everything?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
One subject that hasn’t been brought up. Trump’s mass genocide of the elderly is going to avert the insolvency of social security and Medicare for at least another 10 years. MAGA.
"jesus dude", 80% of the people dying are over 65.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
you might be the most scientifically illiterate poster on your own site.
healthcare workers save lives. by protecting them from a disease they are able to provide care that can save hundreds/thousands of lives.
without them, we dont have health care. for anything.
jesus dude read a book.
There hasn't been a grave shortage of healthcare workers due to being knocked out of service by COVID. Almost none of them die, since they're mostly under 65.
There have actually been studies about this which show that more people will die by making old people wait.
So Nate Silver is also anti-science?
Terrible analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayjamiThe city is under siege. All able men to the front. There is a shortage of guns, and your strategy is to give one to grandma holed up her nursing home? Good thing you weren’t in charge of St. Petersburg in WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
When a city is under siege, everyone is vulnerable.
Here if you take away old people and those with major preexisting conditions, almost nobody is dying.
I'll take the statistical analysis from a pot-selling former lawyer over Nate Silver any day, though.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...vaccine-first/Quote:
The consensus among most modelers is that if the main goal is to slash mortality rates, officials must prioritize vaccinating those who are older, and if they want to slow transmission, they must target younger adults.
“Almost no matter what, you get the same answer,” says Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch. Vaccinate the elderly first to prevent deaths he says, and then move on to other, healthier groups or the general population. One recent study modeled how Covid-19 is likely to spread in six countries—the U.S., India, Spain, Zimbabwe, Brazil, and Belgium—and concluded that if the primary goal is to reduce mortality rates, adults over 60 should be prioritized for direct vaccination. The study, by Daniel Larremore and Kate Bubar of the University of Colorado Boulder, Lipsitch, and their colleagues, has been published as a preprint, meaning it has not yet been peer reviewed. Of course, when considering Covid-19's outsized impact on minorities—especially Black and Latino communities—additional considerations for prioritization come into play.
Oh.
I'll take that apology now from our very scientific friends, Jayjami and sonatine.
"BBBBUT MUH NURSES AND MUH GROCERY STORE CHECKERS!!!!"
The very scientific goal should be to equalize per capital deaths by race, not lower all deaths across the board, you see.
Racial COVID justice!!!!!!!!111
Keep da unions happy!!!!!111
SCIENCE!!!
LOL DRUFF PWNING HEADS
i dont like when todge picks on tine hes an older fat man be nice to him
Let me guess, you didn't read the whole article and there's no chance you spent any time even glancing at the actual study. I mean if you had, you would have stumbled into this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
"While the earliest doses of vaccines will be given to front-line health care workers under plans such as those from the COVAX initiative and the US NASEM recommendations (3), our work is focused on informing the prioritization of the doses that follow."
...i'm sure you're already profusely apologizing the next time i glance at this thread.
So, why are the large life insurers, prudential, met life; Lincoln, etc are almost back at their highs? Covid wasn’t a part of their actuarial calculations.
Similarly, how are the big funeral home operations playing this out? Honest question as I haven’t looked.
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flagged in italy just now.
No one has left their basement going on a year. Expedia highs too.Quote:
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shits getting real sporty boys.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epts03qX...jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epts03mX...jpg&name=large
The debate is a lot more than front-line healthcare workers.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickLet me guess, you didn't read the whole article and there's no chance you spent any time even glancing at the actual study. I mean if you had, you would have stumbled into this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
"While the earliest doses of vaccines will be given to front-line health care workers under plans such as those from the COVAX initiative and the US NASEM recommendations (3), our work is focused on informing the prioritization of the doses that follow."
...i'm sure you're already profusely apologizing the next time i glance at this thread.
That part is mildly controversial, but the real outrage is coming from the plan to vaccinate "essential workers" ahead of the super elderly.
By the way, this study does NOT validate the vaccine being given to frontline healthcare workers over the elderly. It simply concedes that this plan is already in place, so there's no point in studying it. It attempts to study who comes next, without commenting on the plan for healthcare workers being priority 1.
BTW, I'd be fine with frontline COVID-related workers being priority one. The problem is that ALL healthcare workers are getting the vaccine as top priority, including administrators who have zero contact with patients.
But as I said, that's not even the main issue. It's this "essential workers" crap, which is mostly due to woke politicking and union influence. Anyway, are you saying you agree that frontline healthcare workers should get it first, and the elderly can go second? Because that's not very woke of you.
Given german airforce security are heavily armed gun toting ninjas I can see this ending well for all involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
PEOPLE FIGHTING OVER WHO GETS THE TRUMP VACCINE FIRST, CAN'T STOP WINNING