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Kansas City, Missouri is such a fail of a city. The state of Kansas is already rubbing it in. These two states have historically hated each other and actually had a decade of bloodshed with guerilla attacks and political killings leading up to the Civil War. Google Jayhawkers, Bushwackers, and Bleeding Kansas. Once war officially broke out it of course got worse. The Lawrence Massacre is rarely talked about.
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Missourians aren't taking it well.
very strange revelation about them moving to Kansas, never even heard a rumor that this might be happening, thanks for the update Vaughn... can't even imagine NFL football without Arrowhead Stadium...wow...
The people there got exactly what they asked for. The Royals will be leaving too. Last year they voted down extending the 3/8th of a cent sales tax that had been in place since the 70s. Say what you will about funding billionaires, but this would have secured what the Chiefs and Royals were looking for to build new stadiums — then on top of that they later voted down a standalone .25 of a cent sales tax specifically for the Chiefs.
Now they face collective humiliation from their rivals coupled with the eventual loss of thousands of jobs and who knows how many hotels, restaurants, bars etc. They will now not make it into the black with this loss. Even before Mahomes took off, hotels charged max rates and sold out on the weekends in this area for home games (I'm routinely in Kansas City/Independence). Chiefs have always had super loyal fans.
Funny how Trump is proven right even when he's wrong.
Anyway, why is this a huge deal to people? This is just hopping over the state line, right?
Isn't it just a few extra miles for everyone to drive, and slightly closer for the fans in Kansas?
Most people in the west don't even know that there are two Kansas Citys back-to-back on the border.
For perspective, the new stadium is going to be 20 mins from the old one. People are acting like they are moving to New Mexico.Quote:
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The Bears are going to announce the exact same thing soon. New stadium, 20 mins from the old one, just across the state line in Indiana .
This is all financially driven shenanigans. The other state will pony up huge money to lure the team across state lines. The old state doesn’t think they should pay billions for something they already have and dig their heels in. A tale as old as time in sports.
The NY football teams plays in New Jersey etc
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Originally Posted by The IconFor perspective, the new stadium is going to be 20 mins from the old one. People are acting like they are moving to New Mexico.Quote:
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The Bears are going to announce the exact same thing soon. New stadium, 20 mins from the old one, just across the state line in Indiana .
This is all financially driven shenanigans. The other state will pony up huge money to lure the team across state lines. The old state doesn’t think they should pay billions for something they already have and dig their heels in. A tale as old as time in sports.
The NY football teams plays in New Jersey etc
It's not 20 minutes away in this case, it's a 35 minute drive in light traffic conditions if the rumored location is correct. Regardless, the city, county, and state loses all of those jobs and revenue. Kansas City, MO is already basically third world in some locations, and all of the people who can afford Chiefs tickets and to spend money on nice things and services will never venture into or stay in the area the stadium is currently in if not forced to.
It's not at all comparable to the situation with the Jets and Giants. Kansas City, MO doesn't really have anything else going for it, and I can't stress how much the two states have a collective hate for each other.
Kansas is a sparsely populated state, and I don't think the Chiefs have many Kansan fans outside of the less populated Kansas City, KS/Olathe/Overland Park/Lenexa side. They aren't going to be called the Missouri Chiefs, and since they are going to be playing in Kansas City, KS, it blurs the line of having any Missouri identity, where the vast majority of their long term fans are from.
I'm often in Missouri and own property in the KC area. Arrowhead has a legendary reputation in the region - in a few years that will be a thing of the past. They just had one of the biggest runs in the history of the sport, and it's ending with them sort of stripped of their team.
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It's not 20 minutes away in this case, it's a 35 minute drive in light traffic conditions if the rumored location is correct. Regardless, the city, county, and state loses all of those jobs and revenue. Kansas City, MO is already basically third world in some locations, and all of the people who can afford Chiefs tickets and to spend money on nice things and services will never venture into or stay in the area the stadium is currently in if not forced to.
It's not at all comparable to the situation with the Jets and Giants. Kansas City, MO doesn't really have anything else going for it, and I can't stress how much the two states have a collective hate for each other.
Kansas is a sparsely populated state, and I don't think the Chiefs have many Kansan fans outside of the less populated Kansas City, KS/Olathe/Overland Park/Lenexa side. They aren't going to be called the Missouri Chiefs, and since they are going to be playing in Kansas City, KS, it blurs the line of having any Missouri identity, where the vast majority of their long term fans are from.
I'm often in Missouri and own property in the KC area. Arrowhead has a legendary reputation in the region - in a few years that will be a thing of the past. They just had one of the biggest runs in the history of the sport, and it's ending with them sort of stripped of their team.
Arrowhead to Legends is 23 miles exactly and my maps app currently says it would take 24 mins to drive. They are literally moving from 435 and 70 to 435 and 70. For those that don’t know KC, 435 is the highway bypass that is essentially a large circle around KC. Interstate 70 cuts right through the middle of that circle. Arrowhead currently sits on the East side of KC where 435 and 70 cross. The new stadium will sit where 435 and 70 cross on the west side of town. This just so happens to be in KS instead of MO.
To say the area is being stripped of their team is quite dramatic. Listen, I despise Kansas as much as the next guy, but this isn’t as big of a deal as it’s being made out to be. The bigger deal is that with seat licensing and $100 parking, this will likely price out the “white trash” element. And that’s the exact crowd type that made Arrowhead loud and tailgating what it is. Sure the white collar suits adopted the tradition and tailgating is enjoyed by all types now. But it started with the white trash loud and proud crowd that permeates the area. It’s why training camp in St Joe is so popular. You don’t get much more white trash than St Joseph Missouri
Even now in the middle of the night you can't make that 23 mile drive in 24 minutes without majorly speeding, but what does this have to do with anything? They will be playing in Kansas and the economic losses for Missouri will be very real. Do you live in Missouri? I own multiple houses in the state and live here part time. I hate the Chiefs. The "Chiefs Kingdom" thing borders on a cult for many people here. Open any social media platform and look at the literally thousands of reactions to the news. All of it is extremely negative, and it's enough of a sample size to gauge the average reaction of their fanbase as a whole. If we asked Grok to analyze reactionary comments from implied fans and give three words to describe them, it would be something like "betrayal, disgust, and disbelief".Quote:
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Arrowhead to Legends is 23 miles exactly and my maps app currently says it would take 24 mins to drive. They are literally moving from 435 and 70 to 435 and 70. For those that don’t know KC, 435 is the highway bypass that is essentially a large circle around KC. Interstate 70 cuts right through the middle of that circle. Arrowhead currently sits on the East side of KC where 435 and 70 cross. The new stadium will sit where 435 and 70 cross on the west side of town. This just so happens to be in KS instead of MO.
To say the area is being stripped of their team is quite dramatic. Listen, I despise Kansas as much as the next guy, but this isn’t as big of a deal as it’s being made out to be. The bigger deal is that with seat licensing and $100 parking, this will likely price out the “white trash” element. And that’s the exact crowd type that made Arrowhead loud and tailgating what it is. Sure the white collar suits adopted the tradition and tailgating is enjoyed by all types now. But it started with the white trash loud and proud crowd that permeates the area. It’s why training camp in St Joe is so popular. You don’t get much more white trash than St Joseph Missouri
You added your own words to what I wrote. I said "sort of", and the only thing worse than moving them to Kansas would be to actually strip them of their team in some way. The Chiefs Missouri identity will not be the same once they actually start playing in Kansas - their brand to Missourians will be permanently damaged. Just because they aren't moving far doesn't mean it's not still a move to another state with an entirely different political identity. Sports fandom is almost entirely based on loyalties to a location and the symbolism built around it. The reasons why they are making the move also seem to basically be punitive for the failed tax votes, making it even worse.
I'm a Texan - would the Cowboys still be the same to East and North Texans if they moved an hour and 20 minutes away across the Red River into Oklahoma? Even if they kept the Dallas name like New York teams (which have an entirely different social contract and logistical situation with their fans) absolutely not.
If Missouri residents make a big deal out of this, it must be a regional thing.
It wasn't a huge deal when the Jets moved to New Jersey, nor did it matter when the Warriors crossed the bay to move to San Francisco (though I admit the latter is at least in the same state).
I really wouldn't care much about this if I were a Chiefs fan and living in western Missouri.
Then they should drop the "hateful" Chiefs moniker and rename to the Kansas City Kansas Kansans
I don’t care about which state the team plays in, but another awesome stadium to watch a game once the weather turns being replaced by pussified dome football is horrible news. Once the weather turns, I can watch any game in New England or Buffalo or Pittsburgh. I can’t watch shit like the Lions and Vikings games in their shitty domes. Indy games horrible. It’s a true deal breaker for me. Vikings or Lions at Bears/GB, must watch. The opposite I don’t bother.
Dome teams are almost always soft teams. For people outside those few states, this is the more pertinent reason to not move. You don’t build a dome if you want to win.
*Dome/indoor teams generally underperform in NFL playoffs compared to outdoor/non-dome teams**, particularly when forced to play road games in cold or outdoor conditions. Here's a breakdown based on historical data:
### Key Playoff Performance Stats
- **Dome teams on outdoor road playoff games** (since 1990): 12-44 straight-up (21.4% win rate). Non-dome teams in similar outdoor road playoff spots: 50-56 (47.2% win rate). This gap persists even accounting for home-field advantage (better teams host).
- **Extreme cold impact**: Dome teams are 4-23 in outdoor playoff games ≤35°F (one older stat; more recent data shows 0-8 below 20°F and only 13% wins below 30°F).
- **Home playoff advantage in domes**: Mixed—some eras show dome teams strong at home (e.g., 19-4 over one decade), but overall, dome teams win home playoffs at rates below average NFL home teams (~11-10 combined for key teams like Colts/Vikings/Saints in older data).
- **Playoff appearances**: Dome teams historically qualify less often than expected based on their share of team-seasons (~15% of playoff spots vs. ~19-20% of league seasons).
### Super Bowl Success
Dome/home-indoor teams are heavily underrepresented as champions:
- Only ~5-6 dome/indoor teams have won the Super Bowl all-time (e.g., 1999 Rams—first ever; 2006 Colts; 2009 Saints; 2021 Rams at SoFi—partially indoor).
- Most Super Bowl winners come from cold-weather/outdoor home teams (61-62% of participants and winners from cold climates, despite representing ~49% of team-seasons).
- Of dome teams reaching the Super Bowl, most avoid outdoor road games en route (only Colts in 2006 and Cardinals in 2008 won outdoor road playoffs during their runs).
### Why the Disparity?
- Dome teams often build pass-heavy offenses optimized for perfect conditions, struggling in wind/cold/snow on the road.
- Cold-weather outdoor teams gain an edge hosting January games in harsh elements.
- Selection bias plays a role (road teams are underdogs), but the win-rate gap for dome teams is significantly larger than for non-dome road teams.
As of the end of the 2024 season (no major shifts in 2025 data), outdoor/cold-weather teams dominate postseason success, while dome teams face a clear handicap outside controlled environments. This trend has held for decades, though modern retractable-roof stadiums slightly blur the lines.
Its early for this sort of talk but Id be surprised if it wasnt the Rams who win it all.
I did buy some Jags tickets for the AFC.
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Rams Superbowl winner (ploppy, I know, but I feel the same way you do)
Rams/Patriots the Superbowl matchup
I think it's probably the Patriots or Broncos coming out of the AFC, and Broncos just look too inconsistent. Same with the Bills, despite their 4-game winning streak.
Looks like the Christmas schedule will feature backup QBs in all 3 games.
Whoops.