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a proper 2nd wave is obv possible and for sure the old and vulnerable gonna die of this in the winter same with regular flu
but still we have come a long way since 1918 so i wouldnt be surprised if the 2nd wave ends up being less severe than when it first hit in april / may
Deaths are basically nonexistent at this point from Covid in England, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by JACKDANIELS
What is the attitude on mask wearing there? Do the majority of people wear them?
yup not just england but most of europe there are very few people dying from this here now
masks are still being worn by most people in supermarkets / shops / public transport and i dont see that changing until winter is out the way and we see where we are then
pubs and restaurants are basically the same as before apart from you cant stand at the bar lol
Estimates for herd immunity have been between 20-90%. It's not really a constant number outside of vaccination strategies. In the wild how people act and how different they are matters a lot. Basically more people are willing to do, the smaller the number to achieve effective herd immunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by JACKDANIELS
It's obv contagious enough to find "soft" targets fast and then it naturally starts slowing down. There are huge differences in ppl how susceptible they are and how likely they are to spread it. Most new information supports 20% and almost everyone has written of 90%.
People have natural working immune responses and cross immunity from other earlier corona strains.
The loss of antibodies after few months likely doesn't matter at all. As long as this behaves like some other strains of flu, your body still stores the blueprints for producing relevant antibodies. Though there are the other if's on how this behaves, like mutations and how we haven't exactly eradicated flu.
I think i mentioned elsewhere but the whole world didn't shut down because they knew with 20-20 vision how this was going to play out. Severity of this was in the lower half of possible out comes.
Do the 200k dead help with herd immunity?
Maybe the deaths will help kill off the virus.
Happy 200k day y'all!
China must be held accountable.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
yeah thats why i find much of the criticism that has been directed at various govt responses to be harsh as was impossible to take the optimal line given the situationQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
in hindsight maybe everyone could have done similar to what sweden did, kept the economies open while pushing wearing masks for those at risk and everyone using hand sanitizer as often as possible
This is a really good point to factor into the equation. I was listening to a podcast recently and the scientist claimed a couple of strains of the common cold was giving people immunity from COVID and she was very adamant on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickEstimates for herd immunity have been between 20-90%. It's not really a constant number outside of vaccination strategies. In the wild how people act and how different they are matters a lot. Basically more people are willing to do, the smaller the number to achieve effective herd immunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by JACKDANIELS
It's obv contagious enough to find "soft" targets fast and then it naturally starts slowing down. There are huge differences in ppl how susceptible they are and how likely they are to spread it. Most new information supports 20% and almost everyone has written of 90%.
People have natural working immune responses and cross immunity from other earlier corona strains.
The loss of antibodies after few months likely doesn't matter at all. As long as this behaves like some other strains of flu, your body still stores the blueprints for producing relevant antibodies. Though there are the other if's on how this behaves, like mutations and how we haven't exactly eradicated flu.
I think i mentioned elsewhere but the whole world didn't shut down because they knew with 20-20 vision how this was going to play out. Severity of this was in the lower half of possible out comes.
Another thing to consider, good infection control practices will directly lower the amount of folks needed for the Herd Immunity threshold.
So wearing that mask and being cautious in confined environments etc might be the best advise regardless.... all comes down to R0.
Yeah you kinda said that too. :)
India's coronavirus cases rose by a record daily increase of 97,894 to a total of 5.12mln
The cat is out of the bag in India. It will spread like wildfire there now. Extremely crowded country, with tight social dynamics, and poor health standards.
2020 aint done.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/17/a...hnk/index.html
THANKS TRUMPQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
It sounds like you agree mostly with the US right on the matter of COVID, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickEstimates for herd immunity have been between 20-90%. It's not really a constant number outside of vaccination strategies. In the wild how people act and how different they are matters a lot. Basically more people are willing to do, the smaller the number to achieve effective herd immunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by JACKDANIELS
It's obv contagious enough to find "soft" targets fast and then it naturally starts slowing down. There are huge differences in ppl how susceptible they are and how likely they are to spread it. Most new information supports 20% and almost everyone has written of 90%.
People have natural working immune responses and cross immunity from other earlier corona strains.
The loss of antibodies after few months likely doesn't matter at all. As long as this behaves like some other strains of flu, your body still stores the blueprints for producing relevant antibodies. Though there are the other if's on how this behaves, like mutations and how we haven't exactly eradicated flu.
I think i mentioned elsewhere but the whole world didn't shut down because they knew with 20-20 vision how this was going to play out. Severity of this was in the lower half of possible out comes.
^^^^^ Entertaining Sonatine. However, this must be fake. Health & Human Services never was an advocate of testing or masks.
At least not for the US.
In related news, the Market digesting the Fed’s diagnosis til 2023 of the patient that is the US. Have you scheduled your COVID shot yet?
of course it's fake left wing propagandaQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Depends what you mean by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffIt sounds like you agree mostly with the US right on the matter of COVID, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
When you let it spread for months, while keeping your eyes closed hoping it goes away, it wasn't that beneficial to close your economy for 6 months.
Fairly often with these things half measures are the least useful.
What i said before doesn't contradict CDC or WHO. Your supreme leader chose to demonize both organizations. You played your America first routine in a global pandemic when most of the world were looking to work together on a shared issue.
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Originally Posted by gimmickDepends what you mean by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
When you let it spread for months, while keeping your eyes closed hoping it goes away, it wasn't that beneficial to close your economy for 6 months.
Fairly often with these things half measures are the least useful.
What i said before doesn't contradict CDC or WHO. Your supreme leader chose to demonize both organizations. You played your America first routine in a global pandemic when most of the world were looking to work together on a shared issue.
https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152
You do know that the same day they consulted representatives from member states saying it's were likely similar to other corona virus strains. And then 3 days later they publicly verified human to human transmission. That was January 17th.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99
You do know that there is a multitude of evidence that the Chinese knew it was transmissible from human to human in December and the WHO helped with the coverup, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickYou do know that the same day they consulted representatives from member states saying it's were likely similar to other corona virus strains. And then 3 days later they publicly verified human to human transmission. That was January 17th.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99
BTW, look who else is bashing the CDC:
https://twitter.com/pbrody/status/1306700708826185728
DisgustingQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
A judge in Washington earlier today ruled against the USPS and stated that DeJoy was trying to slow down the mail ahead of the election
What coverup? WHO handed everyone the playbook and relevant information on how to get through this. Month(s) before you did anything. Most countries that followed that playbook did fine. You didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99You do know that there is a multitude of evidence that the Chinese knew it was transmissible from human to human in December and the WHO helped with the coverup, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
BTW, look who else is bashing the CDC:
https://twitter.com/pbrody/status/1306700708826185728
Wanna guess how many countries base policy decisions on month old tweets?
you are a fucking idiot eurotrash faggot who is obsessed with the United States, seek help or hang yourself immedQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmickWhat coverup? WHO handed everyone the playbook and relevant information on how to get through this. Month(s) before you did anything. Most countries that followed that playbook did fine. You didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99
Wanna guess how many countries base policy decisions on month old tweets?
How about the fact that the WHO parroted China’s claim for months that it reported the existence of the virus to the WHO in late 2019 but just last week the WHO admitted they got the info from Chinese whistleblowers featured on a US website?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickWhat coverup? WHO handed everyone the playbook and relevant information on how to get through this. Month(s) before you did anything. Most countries that followed that playbook did fine. You didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99
Wanna guess how many countries base policy decisions on month old tweets?
How about the fact that Taiwan tried to warn the WHO about the viruses human to human transmission on Dec. 31st but refused to cooperate with Taiwan for political reasons?
All that should just be ignored cause orangemanbad, right?
I didn't start this part of the conversation dipshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaiyou are a fucking idiot eurotrash faggot who is obsessed with the United States, seek help or hang yourself immedQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
"It sounds like you agree mostly with the US right on the matter of COVID, then?" -DanDruff
And thank you for your amazing contributions. I'm sure Biff appreciates gargling his balls.
Ok. And all this excuses months of inaction after WHO gave their official stance in Jan 17th?Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99How about the fact that the WHO parroted China’s claim for months that it reported the existence of the virus to the WHO in late 2019 but just last week the WHO admitted they got the info from Chinese whistleblowers featured on a US website?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
How about the fact that Taiwan tried to warn the WHO about the viruses human to human transmission on Dec. 31st but refused to cooperate with Taiwan for political reasons?
All that should just be ignored cause orangemanbad, right?
It's not really WHOs fault that you don't understand how the world works. When dealing with a totalitarian regime that controls a nation of 1.3 billion we make all sorts of concessions for diplomatic reasons in public. Things that matter are taken care of privately.
Some prepubescent hissy fits how this or that is total BS have never entered the equation of how things get done.
So what you’re saying is the WHO cannot be criticized because the feelings of a Totalitarian regime is much more important than potentially millions of worldwide deaths and massive global economic pain due to their negligence and carelessness. Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickOk. And all this excuses months of inaction after WHO gave their official stance in Jan 17th?Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99
It's not really WHOs fault that you don't understand how the world works. When dealing with a totalitarian regime that controls a nation of 1.3 billion we make all sorts of concessions for diplomatic reasons in public. Things that matter are taken care of privately.
Some prepubescent hissy fits how this or that is total BS have never entered the equation of how things get done.
Anyone who isn’t blind or being dishonest can see that the WHO is in China’s pocket. Is that who you want in charge of a global health crisis?
Seems more like you’re just another Europoor with an axe to grind with the US.
One last thing to consider. Trump put the travel ban on China on Jan 31st. On February 4th the WHO released a statement saying that travel bans should not be instituted at that time. One of the reasons they listed was because of the “stigma” attached to such bans. That tells you all you need to know about their ability to deal with something as serious as World health and the amount of trust they should garner from anyone.
Feb 7th trump on tape saying he is going to play it downQuote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99So what you’re saying is the WHO cannot be criticized just cause you say so. Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Seems more like you’re just another EuroPoor with an axe to grind with the US.
One last thing to consider. Trump put the travel ban on China on Jan 31st. On February 4th the WHO released a statement saying that travel bans should not be instituted at that time. One of the reasons they listed was because of the “stigma” attached to such bans. That tells you all you need to know about their ability to deal with something as serious as World health and the amount of trust they should garner from anyone.
feb 10th trump at a rally full of retards like biff trump goes ahead and tells the people the virus is bullshit and nothing more than a democratic hoax
between feb-10 and mid march trump holds like 4 or 5 more indoor rally's knowing full well that the virus is airborne and deadly af
About Feb 4th...Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99So what you’re saying is the WHO cannot be criticized because the feelings of a Totalitarian regime is much more important than potentially millions of worldwide deaths and massive global economic pain due to their negligence and carelessness. Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Anyone who isn’t blind or being dishonest can see that the WHO is in China’s pocket. Is that who you want in charge of a global health crisis?
Seems more like you’re just another Europoor with an axe to grind with the US.
One last thing to consider. Trump put the travel ban on China on Jan 31st. On February 4th the WHO released a statement saying that travel bans should not be instituted at that time. One of the reasons they listed was because of the “stigma” attached to such bans. That tells you all you need to know about their ability to deal with something as serious as World health and the amount of trust they should garner from anyone.
"“Where such measures have been implemented, we urge that they are short in duration, proportionate to the public health risks, and are reconsidered regularly as the situation evolves," he added.
He also called on member states to “facilitate rapid collaboration between the public and private sectors to develop the diagnostics, medicines and vaccines,” in order to bring the outbreak under control.
Ghebreyesus asked member states to share information with the health body, "including epidemiological, clinical severity and the results of community studies and investigations," because without such data it is difficult for the WHO to assess the evolution of the outbreak.
“The risk of [Wuhan coronavirus] becoming more widespread globally remains high. Now is the moment for all countries to be preparing themselves,” he added."
...slightly more words than WHObad.
How we deal with China has nothing to do with feelings. It's about dealing with a hostile entity who we (West) handed over most of our manufacturing. They make our shit. Decade or so ago they started moving parts of that manufacturing chain to even cheaper Asian countries, but don't worry they still control it.
The leadership of WHO is based on democracy. That's the only way to appease the 190 odd member nations. Sometimes you have more influence on that board and sometimes you have less. Now you have less and China has more.
Regarding europoor. I live in a fucking Norman Rockwell painting. Closest thing to a white ethnostate you can get. We have all the benefits of your gated communities with none of the fear. White picket fences as far as the eye can see. We have what you never had. We have what Reagan's MAGA was dreaming of. A 50s tv-reality that never existed in the real world.
Tedros was basically appointed by the CCP and is a guy who was cited for human rights abuses in Ethiopia. It’s a shit organization that should be disbanded as it’s clear it is unable to handle China effectively, the place where most of these pandemics originate. It’s a major problem and one that isn’t talked about enough. If an organization like that is just gonna be bullied and manipulated by China then what’s the point? The stakes are too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickAbout Feb 4th...Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99
"“Where such measures have been implemented, we urge that they are short in duration, proportionate to the public health risks, and are reconsidered regularly as the situation evolves," he added.
He also called on member states to “facilitate rapid collaboration between the public and private sectors to develop the diagnostics, medicines and vaccines,” in order to bring the outbreak under control.
Ghebreyesus asked member states to share information with the health body, "including epidemiological, clinical severity and the results of community studies and investigations," because without such data it is difficult for the WHO to assess the evolution of the outbreak.
“The risk of [Wuhan coronavirus] becoming more widespread globally remains high. Now is the moment for all countries to be preparing themselves,” he added."
...slightly more words than WHObad.
How we deal with China has nothing to do with feelings. It's about dealing with a hostile entity who we (West) handed over most of our manufacturing. They make our shit. Decade or so ago they started moving parts of that manufacturing chain to even cheaper Asian countries, but don't worry they still control it.
The leadership of WHO is based on democracy. That's the only way to appease the 190 odd member nations. Sometimes you have more influence on that board and sometimes you have less. Now you have less and China has more.
Regarding europoor. I live in a fucking Norman Rockwell painting. Closest thing to a white ethnostate you can get. We have all the benefits of your gated communities with none of the fear. White picket fences as far as the eye can see. We have what you never had. We have what Reagan's MAGA was dreaming of. A 50s tv-reality that never existed in the real world.
Make excuses all you want but the WHO failed in its handling of this pandemic and there is plenty of room flor criticism. For the millions of dollars the US has poured in to the organization there needs to be some accountability taken by the WHO in this situation and they should be called out.
The world made a big mistake by granting China such a large share of manufacturing and supply chains. But what gives China the right to hold the world hostage like that? How is that even allowed to happen? It’s a failure of our Elites, namely Obama and especially Biden who granted China so much power to such an evil government over an eight year period just so a lot of rich people could get a whole lot richer. China needs to be held accountable for this world disaster and the world needs to decouple from the CCP as much as possible.
And sorry, but you live in a country with a GDP the size of Detroit.
Pouring millions of dollars without getting anything out of it does sound like an American thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiffCo99Make excuses all you want but the WHO failed in its handling of this pandemic and there is plenty of room flor criticism. For the millions of dollars the US has poured in to the organization there needs to be some accountability taken by the WHO in this situation and they should be called out.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
The world made a big mistake by granting China such a large share of manufacturing and supply chains. But what gives China the right to hold the world hostage like that? How is that even allowed to happen? It’s a failure of our Elites, namely Obama and especially Biden who granted China so much power to such an evil government over an eight year period just so a lot of rich people could get a whole lot richer. China needs to be held accountable for this world disaster and the world needs to decouple from the CCP as much as possible.
And sorry, but you live in a country with a GDP the size of Detroit.
Sure we have GDP of Detroit and with that we've achieved better combined life-expectancy, education and GNI than the greatest country on Earth. HDI is one summary index that counts those things. And that doesn't really touch things like pollution or quality of food. We can actually drink our tap water. We shower in water that you bottle for drinking water.
Globalization in relation to manufacturing started well before Obama. Don't worry you can still blame Clinton for his share in that.
If you really care about China gaining power, you should probably know that Trump has done more to distance EU from America towards China, than any other president before him.
Regarding elites, for so much supposed wealth America posses, you sure have a lot poor people.
The inequality got out hand well before Obama.
Wait so gimmick is a euro-hollywood lefty then? Makes sense.
NIMBY i bet is on his fucking doormat.
some good current baseline facts:
https://elemental.medium.com/the-mos...9-30430384e5a5
Another lemming who became A victim of trump and covid-19
An Idaho pastor skeptical of masks lands in the ICU for Covid-19
A pastor in Idaho who called himself a "no-masker" during a service and repeatedly questioned the veracity of coronavirus case reporting is in the ICU after contracting Covid-19.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/us/id...rnd/index.html
So Ontario is seriously fucked. They have done very little with testing to anticipate back to school increases. Testing centres are few and they can’t handle the demand at all. Prior to this you had to wait 3-4 hours but at least you knew you were getting tested. Now you literally have to show up multiple times waiting outside for hours in cold weather to be sent home. The twitter thread below is infuriating from a father who took his son.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MikePMoff...57570482466816
Apparently they had better luck today.
People showed up today to line up at 5:30am only to be told at 7:30am they needed to return in afternoon as people from yesterday have priority...
OMG THEY HAVE TO WAIT IN LINE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE?
TERRIBLE!
STOP SPREADING DISEASE FUCKING TRUMP SUPPORTERS!!!
Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Cost $12.2 Billion in Public Health Due to Coronavirus Spread, Economists Conclude
https://www.newsweek.com/sturgis-mot...omists-1530422
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfQC_dPWsAEcy2u.jpg
Yeah, we should have totally trusted the WHO, which is basically an arm of China at this point.
Wait a minute... didn't China just sentence a billionaire to 18 years in prison for criticizing their coronavirus response?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/asia/...hnk/index.html
Why yes.... yes, they did.
Corona says that they have no more coronavirus deaths, though, and big dick believes them, so that's all that matters.
I'm not understanding this.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Is gimmick the eurolefty bragging about how there are no coloreds in his neighborhood?