His taxonomies aren't set up either. His graphic for Desktop Client literally just takes you to a bigger picture of the banner. Permalinks doing something odd too. That's just at first glance.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
His taxonomies aren't set up either. His graphic for Desktop Client literally just takes you to a bigger picture of the banner. Permalinks doing something odd too. That's just at first glance.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
And WTF why is he pointing people to this forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40077.6020 when he has DD? Or did the Fed seize that shit?
Are there any news stories about this in Vegas? I haven't found any...maybe micon trumped up the story as a free advertising campaign since he was already planning to move to Antigua and figured he'd get a lot of btc fanboys to sign up.
A raid with 10 cops by the gaming commission would seem to make a decent news story...right?
Just about 100% sure Micon was telling the truth here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texter
I think there's no news story simply because it hasn't landed in the hands of the "right" people at Vegas news sources who would cover it.
Feel free to send the story to the LV Review Journal and LV Sun, and see if they want it.
Journalists are fucking lazy. If you don't put out a press release that is keyworded VEGAS then the LVRJ will NOT pick it up. To get a press release in front of them costs about $400.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texter
probably because people actually visit bitcointalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
http://i.imgur.com/VUkRvkh.jpg
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He should have completely rebranded DD years ago to pure bitcoin talk, with a poker ar-chive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddlyprobably because people actually visit bitcointalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
http://i.imgur.com/VUkRvkh.jpg
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Holy crap they have OFC now
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Originally Posted by SrslySirius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania..._Confederation in case anyones wondering
oh... open face chinese..
FAR LESS IMPRESSED.
When you go d/l the new Seals, it is an msi file. Chrome warns you that its dangerous and tells you that you probably dont want to run it. Not that I think Seals is dangerous but lol @ them not using an .exe like the rest of the fucking world.
:fail
Pineapple OFC may be my biggest vice. I've never played it online. God help me.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Micon gonna Micon
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Someone should go cybersquat & register sealswithclu.bs
http://www.register.bs
It's available
Confirmed eyewitness to the raid:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffJust about 100% sure Micon was telling the truth here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texter
I think there's no news story simply because it hasn't landed in the hands of the "right" people at Vegas news sources who would cover it.
Feel free to send the story to the LV Review Journal and LV Sun, and see if they want it.
http://youtu.be/bvfrIiFE9Nk
"Over 100 players simultaneously connected" on first day. Not too shabby...are they playing tho? Pretty much what I would have guessed...
This is actually pretty common when a site shows up with an installer, the reason is actually listed in chrome (at least for me) as "has not been downloaded by many users" which is pretty fair. The msi system is actually the modern way you're supposed to build installers for windows, exe installers are a relic of the 95 days that just won't go away because people are scared of change. Quite a few of them for trivial software are just exe wrappers around their respective msi packages. It's much better than WPN just installing their poker client directly to a folder in C:\ and requiring users be an administrator (so that the embedded IE doesn't cry about it's invalid certificates) to run it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokehead
The real fail is not signing the package, also the picture on the download page being a link to the picture itself.
Possibly the least valid complaint about seals I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokehead
The old download was a self extracting zip archive that just dumped the files wherever you ran it. Lobby chat had someone at least once a week trying to figure out just wtf the desktop client was cause all you'd see when you ran the exe was a cmd console window for a second and nothing. An actual installer package is like technology from the future compared to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyPossibly the least valid complaint about seals I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokehead
Lol @ the download pic being a link to the download pic itself. I ran into that & said wtf!Quote:
Originally Posted by neorabThis is actually pretty common when a site shows up with an installer, the reason is actually listed in chrome (at least for me) as "has not been downloaded by many users" which is pretty fair. The msi system is actually the modern way you're supposed to build installers for windows, exe installers are a relic of the 95 days that just won't go away because people are scared of change. Quite a few of them for trivial software are just exe wrappers around their respective msi packages. It's much better than WPN just installing their poker client directly to a folder in C:\ and requiring users be an administrator (so that the embedded IE doesn't cry about it's invalid certificates) to run it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokehead
The real fail is not signing the package, also the picture on the download page being a link to the picture itself.
Anyways your explanation is good from a tech perspective but not a marketing one. If u want your product to blow up, as we know Micon dreams about every day, you dont design the installer to where a major browser warns people it's dangerous and uncommon. If the Pokerstars programmers did this, upper management would walk in and slap them upside the head! I realize the average btc user is more tech savvy than the average Stars player, but still.
Chrome would warn you about the download whether it was an exe or an msi file. Chrome is basically telling you they have no idea if SWCpoker is legit, they cannot vouch for the downloaded file, and you should be careful. Considering this is a new client on an entirely new domain, this should not be too surprising. The fact that your browser warns you about this file should be the least worrying thing about this whole deal, considering this is a new poker site under new management with absolutely no history of anything, and an apparently new tech team who nobody knows, with no safeguards for anything at all if you get fucked, on a platform nobody has played on yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokehead
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyChrome would warn you about the download whether it was an exe or an msi file. Chrome is basically telling you they have no idea if SWCpoker is legit, they cannot vouch for the downloaded file, and you should be careful. Considering this is a new client on an entirely new domain, this should not be too surprising. The fact that your browser warns you about this file should be the least worrying thing about this whole deal, considering this is a new poker site under new management with absolutely no history of anything, and an apparently new tech team who nobody knows, with no safeguards for anything at all if you get fucked, on a platform nobody has played on yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokehead
It's literally 1 extra step to wrap an msi in an exe jacket to keep it warm.
My laptop refused the download altogether to protect itself...ha
Presuming you are running Windows 8 click the more information drop down and click run anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texter
That should do the trick.
I think Cokehead has a point. Everyone knows EXE files if they download any programs off the net, but they are not familiar with MSI files, and between that and the browser warning (even if it's not related to the filetype), people can be turned off, even if there is legitimately nothing wrong with the software.
A big challenge that software companies face is making something appealing/usable to the average user, and to test it from that standpoint. You basically test as if you're a regular person, not a programmer, and not a tech genius. If you can't do that and put yourself in the average user's shoes, then you need to get some average users to test for you.
I used to work in software, and I had this argument frequently with other programmers when I would be testing their stuff. I would point out what is confusing/scary/inconvenient, and I would usually get back a response of, "No, but it's so simple!", or "Only a moron wouldn't understand that!", because these guys were programmers and couldn't put themselves in the shoes of non-programmers using the software.
Well it downloaded then deleted the file automatically so I don't think that will work...bovada it is!Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83Presuming you are running Windows 8 click the more information drop down and click run anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texter
That should do the trick.
He's got AES-128. Not sufficient?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
More like AIDS-128Quote:
Originally Posted by NoDoxPoker_Chairman
I'm going with shitthebed-365 but hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by zealanddonk
FYI this guy isn't Micon.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoDoxPoker_ChairmanHe's got AES-128. Not sufficient?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
He claims to run another bitcoin poker site called NoDoxPoker.
If you read the comments of the online newspaper article most of them want to "send him back home" etc, etc, etc. I especially like a comment by a user named "Phantom" It reads: "I just had a video chat with his attorney...It was very revealing" SOLID FUCKIN GOLD!Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
Whatever you say CokeheadQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffFYI this guy isn't Micon.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoDoxPoker_Chairman
He claims to run another bitcoin poker site called NoDoxPoker.
I'm guessing the average bitcoin user is a bit more tech savvy than the average moronQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I just figured the file would be called swcpoker.bat
that wasnt me but still :lol2Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt The Rat
I remember the discussion in here a while ago about how this was going to end. The only question really was who shuts it down first, hackers stealing the bitcoins or the feds. According to the article his house was raided. How would you like to explain that to your wife? were the kid and wife in the house during the raid?? Its like the wolf of wall street nerd version, without the cheap hooker and cheap blow (I guess).
This will end in either permanent exile if he keeps doubling down. may be too late. Does he have any friends/advisors who he listens to? flaunting his plans in the media is a very bad idea.
found this in an article: Micon says that he was with his wife and their two-year-old daughter at the time of the raid. He now says that he and his family have fled to Antigua. Micon says that he still doesn’t entirely understand why he was targeted by authorities.
We have a lull in the action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
How you enjoying your net neutrality regulation win Druff? Unintended consequences. Time Warner Comcast merger etc, etc. government never helps. Some catch on a little slower than others. Thought Obamacare woulda driven this point home for you.
Got a fresh example of regulation, light touch or otherwise.
How those online poker players in NJ & Nevada enjoying government protection?
Do you think they would rather be playing on unLicensed ACR or SWC now?
You're joking, right? I'm sure you realize I was against net neutrality, so it's not a "win", though perhaps you're trying to demonstrate that I'm being contradictory with wanting regulation of online poker and none for the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarWe have a lull in the action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
How you enjoying your net neutrality regulation win Druff? Unintended consequences. Time Warner Comcast merger etc, etc. government never helps. Some catch on a little slower than others. Thought Obamacare woulda driven this point home for you.
Got a fresh example of regulation, light touch or otherwise.
How those online poker players in NJ & Nevada enjoying government protection?
Do you think they would rather be playing on unLicensed ACR or SWC now?
I already explained that, though. Government regulation is a must with online poker, because it involves player money and the extreme importance of fairness and honesty in the game. There is no way that the free market can effectively regulate it. Full Tilt might be still stealing from us to this day (and still sitting with everyone's respect) if Black Friday hadn't happened in 2011.
The NJ/Nevada legalized rooms are failing for three reasons. First, they are being run very poorly. I don't know if you read Melissa Burr's essay about the various reasons the NJ poker rooms were struggling, but she was on point. They just aren't doing things right. Second, the regulations were written by idiots, and are burdensome to the sites. But honestly, the troublesome regulations are more of an excuse for the site managers to use for their own failures. Third, and most importantly, everyone involved underestimated the huge population requirement necessary for online poker to succeed. Nevada's population is far too small, and even New Jersey's is too small. One-state poker rooms won't work, except in large states like California, where still there will only be room for 1 or 2 rooms/networks to thrive. This is simply because only a very small fraction of the population wants to regularly play online poker, especially with all of the hurdles to get verified and make a deposit.
Anyway, I never said government regulation of online poker would be easy. It has to be done right, or it will be a disaster, and so far it hasn't been done right. But it has to be done. The brick and mortar casinos are regulated, and while there's plenty of corruption, for the most part the casinos operate freely and the average patron doesn't run into obnoxious hurdles while attempting to gamble, nor is there much interference in the free market. Regulating online casinos needs to be done similarly, but they can't just use the same blanket procedures because online is a completely different animal.
If the government(s) wanted to do it right, they would consult with various people in the industry, including longtime online poker employees and longtime players like me. The problem with bureaucrats is that they don't do smart things like this, and instead think they can read a brief on the industry and then write their own effective regulations without help.
The above might sound like I'm arguing against regulation, but I'm not. Regulation IS necessary. Without it, online poker will continue to be a disaster, filled with scams, scandals, cheats, and thefts. But if regulation isn't done right, it will also be a disaster. So we will have to see what happens. Hopefully they correct their course before online poker is completely choked out of the US.