*** OFFICIAL 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Race Thread ***

Apparently a memo was leaked yesterday from a South Carolina focus group, where it was found that black voters are "uncomfortable" with Pete Buttigieg being gay, and won't vote for him.

While liberal on most other issues, many black voters have not warmed up to the mainstream acceptance of gays, and they quietly will display that at the ballot box. When Proposition 8 passed, which made same sex marriage (briefly) illegal in California, it was discovered that the "Yes" side managed to defy polls because black people showed up to vote for Barack Obama, while simultaneously voting yes on 8. Often these same voters kept these anti-gay sentiments to themselves when asked during opinion polls, thus leading to the surprise victory of prop 8.

Anyway, it's hard to win the Democratic nomination if barely any black people support you. This not only plagues Buttigieg, but also Warren and Sanders.

Hence another reason why my +500 bets on Biden are a steal.

YouTube/Google is screwing with Tulsi Gabbard and blocking her search results.

Seriously.

Jump to about 8:30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHHQl3ND6bk


FYI Crowder is telling the truth about his "Change My Mind" videos being hidden from US search results. I found that myself and couldn't understand it, BEFORE Crowder himself found out about it.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Apparently a memo was leaked yesterday from a South Carolina focus group, where it was found that black voters are "uncomfortable" with Pete Buttigieg being gay, and won't vote for him.

While liberal on most other issues, many black voters have not warmed up to the mainstream acceptance of gays, and they quietly will display that at the ballot box. When Proposition 8 passed, which made same sex marriage (briefly) illegal in California, it was discovered that the "Yes" side managed to defy polls because black people showed up to vote for Barack Obama, while simultaneously voting yes on 8. Often these same voters kept these anti-gay sentiments to themselves when asked during opinion polls, thus leading to the surprise victory of prop 8.

Anyway, it's hard to win the Democratic nomination if barely any black people support you. This not only plagues Buttigieg, but also Warren and Sanders.

Hence another reason why my +500 bets on Biden are a steal.

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well known fact that coons and mexicans hate fags more than anyone

New CNN Poll: Joe Biden Increases Lead Over Political Rivals, Highest Support Since April

interesting. the guy had a stroke on national tv and widens his lead. good news for druff's bet.

https://www.mediaite.com/election-20...t-since-april/

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well known fact that coons and mexicans hate fags more than anyone

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Given your views on OSA, which one are you then?

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New CNN Poll: Joe Biden Increases Lead Over Political Rivals, Highest Support Since April

interesting. the guy had a stroke on national tv and widens his lead. good news for druff's bet.

https://www.mediaite.com/election-20...t-since-april/

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i hate to be one of 'those' but are we really putting that much faith in that poll? i view it as a curious bit of advertising mostly based entirely on the blooming narrative about the democratic base bemoaning the lack of a candidate who isnt somehow more fundamentally flawed than biden.

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New CNN Poll: Joe Biden Increases Lead Over Political Rivals, Highest Support Since April

interesting. the guy had a stroke on national tv and widens his lead. good news for druff's bet.

https://www.mediaite.com/election-20...t-since-april/

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Biden has three big strengths here.

First off, he's already established and well known, so his stupid remarks and mental slips aren't going to hurt him like they would a newer candidate. If you liked Biden in 2018, you like him in 2019. Uncle Joe has been saying dumb shit for decades. So it's hard for him to lose support if he commits gaffes or looks low-energy on TV.

Second, he's the go-to guy for black voters now that Kamala Harris has fallen off and Cory Booker never got off the ground.

Third, none of the other candidates are strong or exciting enough to create a "wow" factor and send him packing. In the 2008 election, Barack Obama had that wow factor and very quickly crushed Hillary once he gained momentum. The same thing won't happen here. There is no Obama equivalent for the 2020 Democrats. The fact that Elizabeth Warren is his primary rival at this point speaks volumes.

This isn't too different from the 2008 and 2012 Repubilcan fields, where a weak candidate emerged after everyone else basically beat themselves. Sometimes when the field around you is weak, you just sit and wait for everyone else to self-destruct, and that's what Biden is doing.

I'm not saying I'm sure he will be the winner, but for 5-to-1, you just need an idea that he's not a longshot, and the bet is +EV.

BTW it's pretty obvious at this point that Tulsi is running to be Bernie's VP, and Castro is running to be Warren's VP.

Bernie recently came out on Twitter in defense of Tulsi, which is more than just him taking a passive-aggressive swipe at Hillary. It was assumed when she attacked Harris in that one debate, that she was doing it on behalf of Bernie, who always likes to make it appear he's not negative campaigning.

Castro has been kissing Warren's ass for a long time now.

Of course, none of this will matter if Biden wins the primary. But you may see Tulsi going after Biden and Warren soon. Castro already attempted to hit Biden at one point, but came off looking like a fool.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

BTW it's pretty obvious at this point that Tulsi is running to be Bernie's VP, and Castro is running to be Warren's VP.

Bernie recently came out on Twitter in defense of Tulsi, which is more than just him taking a passive-aggressive swipe at Hillary. It was assumed when she attacked Harris in that one debate, that she was doing it on behalf of Bernie, who always likes to make it appear he's not negative campaigning.

Castro has been kissing Warren's ass for a long time now.

Of course, none of this will matter if Biden wins the primary. But you may see Tulsi going after Biden and Warren soon. Castro already attempted to hit Biden at one point, but came off looking like a fool.

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Would you believe that I actually agree with your commentary here? Given how often we usually disagree on matters in this thread, that kinda gets me a little tingly.



With that thought in mind, let’s see if you agree with my current thought on who Joe Biden is currently eyeing as his VP pick if he wins the nomination? I’ll let you go first.

Oh Cory

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With that thought in mind, let’s see if you agree with my current thought on who Joe Biden is currently eyeing as his VP pick if he wins the nomination? I’ll let you go first.

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Dunno if it'll happen, but he wants Stacey Abrams. I could see Buttigieg. The two seem to get along. Would be first gay VP since Spiro Agnew (bi). Apparently he also talked to Yang about VP slot, and Yang was receptive. I don't see that happening, but it'd be interesting.

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it looked to me like cory booker has been pushing hard to be biden's VP

So it's one of these three or Hillary Clinton again for the Democratic nominee, whoever the DNC, I mean the voters choose?


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Oh Cory

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doesn't brown 83 think booker is going to get the democratic nod for the party?

as much of what's been said or written about where each candidate stands in terms of voters share, there's plenty of time for more shake ups and also some shenanigans.

i mean, there's so much contempt for one reason or another about the top 3 that puts them in position to lose or not stay in the lead on any given given day. never mind in 3 months-yr.

i think most democrat's want a better choice or person as well. not that mimi obama is that person, but i don't think it would take that much for her to get some traction if she embarked on it.

DISH LEARN WHAT +500 MEANS

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

YouTube/Google is screwing with Tulsi Gabbard and blocking her search results.

Seriously.

Jump to about 8:30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHHQl3ND6bk


FYI Crowder is telling the truth about his "Change My Mind" videos being hidden from US search results. I found that myself and couldn't understand it, BEFORE Crowder himself found out about it.

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First Crowder link for me. Obv I’m interested in the behind the scenes Tulsi shenanigans. Reaffirms my faith in US democracy

I am not the least bit surprised. The Crowder value is the “dead_to_rights” evidence.

Trump’s guy Parscale remarkably & quite candidly gave us his playbook after the game.

I just laugh at Russians and all the other noise on the webz. Of course that shit goes on but it was just seasoning for the stew.

Haven’t used google for a search in months. Same trash can as Facebook.

Got a confession. You guys post these twitter addresses but I don’t have the Twitter app. I can search then read a guys twitter and I have a few favorites but let’s be real. I am quite sure I am not missing a thing.

Folks have no code. That is the beauty of capitalism. I don’t have to shop at your store if you are fucking with the customers. and I won’t

I am also tailing Druff’s Biden play.



If Trump doesn’t get impeached (and he won’t) even I am probably voting Biden. He’s infirm and he’ll be embalmed come second term but he’s the least crazy.

He embraces his gaffes. It’s kind of an endearing honesty which is rare.

Biden has lots of room for stupidity too. People, especially Republican refugees, aren’t really going to pull the Warren lever. Years of watching her insincerity in Massachusetts is enough evidence for me.

one can do much worse than a president biden, regardless of ones political affiliation.

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DISH LEARN WHAT +500 MEANS

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Fk no, I won't even touch +800, I'm a gambler not some pussy. 4 DIGITS MIN OR BUST

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one can do much worse than a president biden, regardless of ones political affiliation.

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anyone that can correct the income distribution problem that began to occur 1970's (almost all real income growth to corporate leaders only, a very small share of the growth to people doing the work in corporations) would be a worthwhile candidate....read up on the Lewis Powell memo to see the game plan corporate American / big business has followed since 1971 to get laws/court decisions/public opinion to favor corporate economic interests over those of ordinary citizens.

If Biden/Warren/Trump can counteract the growing income gap, yes indeed they are good candidates imho.....I don't care how they do it..raising corporate taxes, raising tariffs, guaranteed income, or limiting immigration to drive up wages....whatever works

simmer down, nerd.

The Democrats are blowing it.
Stop trying to out liberal each other.

They need to STFU about transgender rights.

Americans barely support gay rights and don't give a shit about transgender people who want a sex change in prison.

Democrats just have to be not batshit crazy like Trump and they win.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPQQjj01kM

If you're speaking out against Tulsi, you're an overly-impressionable consumer of propaganda. Consider the source, and that MSNBC/CNN is a revolving door w/ the DNC.

One other hilarious fact: If the smears were true - that Tulsi was a secret Republican AND going to run for third party - the Democrats would be happy, since she'd take more votes from Trump. But since even those making these claims know them to be bullshit, the incoherence is totally ignored.

Next, if you’re wonder why every other retired spook with a Twitter account is melting down about Tulsi’s campaign, watch this.

Finally is a great, challenging interview w/ Tulsi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPFggY36zrY

"I’m of the belief that if Neera Tanden, Third Way, Clinton, the DNC, the MSM, & the MIC all hate & smear a politician, that’s enough reason for me to think they’re doing something right. Thought that was common sense."

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like my favorite part isnt that she went on tucker's show, its that she went on tucker's show to do nothing but bash hillary clinton.

bashing democrats is her entire platform.

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This is utterly incorrect. Her entire platform is relying on her foreign policy experience to: stop endless wars + tame the MIC and bring the money back to the US. To stop toppling foreign regimes. That, and being vehemently anti-war, having a more aggressive climate plan than the Green New Deal, supporting Medicare for all, election security via paper ballots, getting money out of politics, not taking PAC money/publicly funding elections (UNLIKE ELIZABETH WARREN), anti-Military Industrial Complex and Prison Industrial Complex, supporting legalization and expungement of marijuana records, supporting college for all, supporting an assault weapons ban, sponsoring a $15 min wage, and wanting to bring back Glass-Stegall.

You are being propagandized by old DNC heads who want revenge for Tulsi disobeying them in 2016, and who are outraged at her threatening the MIC.

Here are more details on the DNC's / HRC's / MSM's 180-degree turn on Tulsi, which coincides with her refusing to toe the party line: https://www.collective-evolution.com...tulsi-gabbard/

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The Democrats are blowing it.
Stop trying to out liberal each other.

They need to STFU about transgender rights.

Americans barely support gay rights and don't give a shit about transgender people who want a sex change in prison.

Democrats just have to be not batshit crazy like Trump and they win.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPQQjj01kM

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Ya, agree with everything Bill said there which is rare.

Beating Trump should be a layup and it’s hilarious to watch the candidates fuck it up. 2016 all over again.

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The Democrats are blowing it.
Stop trying to out liberal each other.

They need to STFU about transgender rights.

Americans barely support gay rights and don't give a shit about transgender people who want a sex change in prison.

Democrats just have to be not batshit crazy like Trump and they win.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPQQjj01kM

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Ya, agree with everything Bill said there which is rare.

Beating Trump should be a layup and it’s hilarious to watch the candidates fuck it up. 2016 all over again.

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The DNC / Establishment would rather have Trump in 2020 than Tulsi, because nobody threatens the military industrial complex like she does.

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Ya, agree with everything Bill said there which is rare.

Beating Trump should be a layup and it’s hilarious to watch the candidates fuck it up. 2016 all over again.

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The DNC / Establishment would rather have Trump in 2020 than Tulsi, because nobody threatens the military industrial complex like she does.

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You are kinda sounding like a hippy, if the MIC is the #1 on your political priorities. That's ok though. If I absolutely had to vote Democrat, she would be my #1 pic by far, and yes, over Pete.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

like my favorite part isnt that she went on tucker's show, its that she went on tucker's show to do nothing but bash hillary clinton.

bashing democrats is her entire platform.

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This is utterly incorrect. Her entire platform is relying on her foreign policy experience to: stop endless wars + tame the MIC and bring the money back to the US. To stop toppling foreign regimes. That, and being vehemently anti-war, having a more aggressive climate plan than the Green New Deal, supporting Medicare for all, election security via paper ballots, getting money out of politics, not taking PAC money/publicly funding elections (UNLIKE ELIZABETH WARREN), anti-Military Industrial Complex and Prison Industrial Complex, supporting legalization and expungement of marijuana records, supporting college for all, supporting an assault weapons ban, sponsoring a $15 min wage, and wanting to bring back Glass-Stegall.

You are being propagandized by old DNC heads who want revenge for Tulsi disobeying them in 2016, and who are outraged at her threatening the MIC.

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virtually none of this is remotely possible and im taking her on the words coming out of her own mouth, and the 'youre being propagandized' argument is literally a note for note redux of what my jill stein loving friends assured me in 2016.

Maybe your Jill Stein-loving friends were right. The DNC and MSNBC/CNN are a revolving door. This is not disputable. They support each other and work to maintain the status quo, and sway popular opinion in their favor.

What do you mean "none of this is remotely possible"? You think getting $$$ out of politics and taming the MIC is impossible? And protecting the environment? I'm confused.

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Maybe your Jill Stein-loving friends were right.

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ok good luck to you sir, thank you for your opinions.

I think Negreanu endorsed Yang a couple weeks ago...

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Maybe your Jill Stein-loving friends were right.

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ok good luck to you sir, thank you for your opinions.

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I'm disappointed to see bad-faith, uncharitable arguments coming from you. That, and you address practically none of what I've written. All this does is point to the fact that you have nothing to back up your point of view.

Yang is a gimmick candidate who is only running because he enjoys being in the spotlight.

But it's nice that he's bringing the online poker issue out to the general public, as that can only be a good thing.

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Yang is a gimmick candidate who is only running because he enjoys being in the spotlight.

But it's nice that he's bringing the online poker issue out to the general public, as that can only be a good thing.

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Regardless of your opinion of his legitimacy as a candidate, he's brought out TONNES of topics to the general public. He's shifted the conversation of a lot of issues.

He's the most right wing politician i've ever liked.

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I think Negreanu endorsed Yang a couple weeks ago...

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Sounds like some poker player got a hold of his ear for a minute. Beautiful

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ok good luck to you sir, thank you for your opinions.

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I'm disappointed to see bad-faith, uncharitable arguments coming from you. That, and you address practically none of what I've written. All this does is point to the fact that you have nothing to back up your point of view.

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This isnt my first rodeo, I know when it's not worth pursuing a topic with someone.

Sorry you're disappointed.

Have a great day regardless.

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I'm disappointed to see bad-faith, uncharitable arguments coming from you. That, and you address practically none of what I've written. All this does is point to the fact that you have nothing to back up your point of view.

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This isnt my first rodeo, I know when it's not worth pursuing a topic with someone.

Sorry you're disappointed.

Have a great day regardless.

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Charles Barkley said it best on the TNT Pregame show a few days ago:

Everyone wants your opinion; until they find out its different than yours.


That being said, reading Diggydow's political discourse on here is kinda turning me on.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Yang is a gimmick candidate who is only running because he enjoys being in the spotlight.

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hmmm. Just sayin.