The joke in the '70s was that to become a rock star all you needed was a hairdresser and an agent.
In the age of Kardasians, all you need is views/subscribers.
Poker is too small to make an impact, she is going to have to start posting some nudity.
The joke in the '70s was that to become a rock star all you needed was a hairdresser and an agent.
In the age of Kardasians, all you need is views/subscribers.
Poker is too small to make an impact, she is going to have to start posting some nudity.
You are correct. I think this is very good analysis and it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
However, for this instance, where she took the test to show to all that she didn't cheat, you would think that either her lawyer husband and/or her publicist would probably recommend that she at least give the impression that the polygraph test was administered by a neutral third party, even if she paid for it. In other words, allow the testing company to release the results directly to the public.
So bottom line, Robbi went from first agreeing to take Eric Peerson's arranged test (including the eyeball test with 98% accuracy), to setting up her own test in Vegas, paid by her, with the results released by the company directly to her (marked CONFIDENTIAL lol) to do as she pleases with it.
That sure sounds convincing and reliable! (maybe to her close friends and family and twitter supporters).
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Originally Posted by JoeDYou are correct. I think this is very good analysis and it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
However, for this instance, where she took the test to show to all that she didn't cheat, you would think that either her lawyer husband and/or her publicist would probably recommend that she at least give the impression that the polygraph test was administered by a neutral third party, even if she paid for it. In other words, allow the testing company to release the results directly to the public.
So bottom line, Robbi went from first agreeing to take Eric Peerson's arranged test (including the eyeball test with 98% accuracy), to setting up her own test in Vegas, paid by her, with the results released by the company directly to her (marked CONFIDENTIAL lol) to do as she pleases with it.
That sure sounds convincing and reliable! (maybe to her close friends and family and twitter supporters).
Now that I think about it, you may be right, it may be better for the company to explain it. As I understand, the answers are not always cut and dry, they may need some explanation.
In college I worked for a company servicing ATM’s. I took a preemployment polygraph.
There was a question: Have you ever stolen ANYTHING from a past employer? I answered “No”, because I hadn’t. The results showed “I was being deceptive”. I fought with them and told him it was wrong. After looking at the results again, the administrator said, “By looking at this, I really believe it was something small such as a PEN or a paperclip, not even intentional theft - possibly a pen you accidentally took home”. If I didn’t get him to write his opinion in his report, I likely wouldn’t have got the job. My point is it actually may be beneficial to have the person who administered it possibly go on Joey’s podcast. I’m sure if he wants a few bucks, the community can come up with it.
And she will, eventually. Onlyfans almost certainly coming and then charging for some partial nudes and maybe more. She will make a killing, probably millions a year. She knows it too.Quote:
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At this point even if she did cheat most likely 90% of her followers are men and lots of horny ones at that. I doubt by now most guys even care if she cheated, they just like to look at her and follow her trajectory.
Robbie released the results of her polygraph (which went thru HER HERSELF for distribution - d'oh):
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Come on hasnt anybody figured out theres only one way to resolve this polygraph and such is.. SEND THEM ALL TO STEVE WILKOS ROFLMAO.. Make Robbi, Garrett, RIP, Beanz, Nick, Ryan, The chip thief and hell throw in Billy DGAF for the hell of it. Resolve this once and for allQuote:
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Originally Posted by Bilbodoggins
I don’t believe it will change anyone’s mind.
One thing that we know for sure is that these results will say “she passed”.
We know this because what are the chances she does this big “lead up” with all this drama, then say the results say “she failed” the polygraph?
Answer: 0.0% Chance
Robbi, don’t even release what the results say. We already know.
There is absolutely no anticipation for the release of these results.
I originally came out and said that I thought that she did not cheat. These results that will say “she passed”, WILL NOT influence or reinforce my belief at all - one way or the other..
She can obviously cheat a polygraph easily enough knowing the questions having her team do it.
Hopefully she will do another one with random questions mixing them all over the place to potentially throw her off. I could list good some good ones to ask her but anyone putting that out in the universe allows a cheater (if she cheated) to prepare.
Unfortunately I don't think the end is near anytime soon but the story will likely dry up. It was fascinating for a while but now has become tiresome.
It's strange to me Ryan Feldman hasn't said much and it's weird theory I have but what if he isn't on the best terms with Vertucci or hasn't liked how Vertucci has handled his part in this? It's not likely Ryan would say that to the public at least for the time being.
Robbi was better looking before she botoxed them lips.
And the reasons she gave for calling with a J4 are obviously bogus. Which gets me to the point. She lied about her hand. When did that start happening in poker? Why, in 30 years I've never seen or heard of such a thing. Have you? Unprecedented! I'm shocked I tell you. Doyle Brunson must be having a conniption fit. Something needs to be done to nip this unethical behavior in the bud. Todd needs to appoint a commission to study the situation and institute rules so lying about poker hands will not occur in the future.
As usual, without any training, experience or education Todd knows how to do something better than the experts.
You know nothing about how a polygraph is administered or why it works.
Here are just a couple of points:
Of COURSE there were more than three questions. The company is not going to tell you exactly what they did. They have proprietary methods and trade secrets just like many businesses.They are not going to let an outsider come in and tell them how to run their tests! They provided results.
Having a neutral third party, who provided the questions, in the room would invalidate the machine's electronic interpretation of the responses.
I'm not going to go into why this is so. Take a class, read a book!
Polygraphs are much more reliable than they were a decade ago. But the law is slow to catch up with technology.
Serious question because I must have missed something, Why was Eric Persson's test "more reliable?" and when did she agree to take it and then reneg?
I thought the threat of having to take a poly in the hiring process was meant to weed out people that believe they would fail before they apply.
I am guessing that if I took 10 tests, one of them would say I didn't lie about being Phil Ivey.
I always thought tarot cards or waterboarding was more effective.
Eric Persson's twitter handle is @IAmMaverick888Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbodoggins
I don't know how to fully copy and paste tweets, but on Oct 5, 2022 Eric first proposed on twitter that Robbi take a lie detector test. Eric mentioned his experience with such tests and that it would be conducted by a 3rd party independent vendor near her home in LA County, paid for by him, with the most up-to-date technology, which includes a device that monitors your eyeball movements. Supposedly considered to be up to 98% accurate.
Robbi replied by tweet shortly thereafter (on Oct 6) saying "deal" You can find it on Eric's timeline.
Of course as with much of Robbi says and does, there was no "deal" and it did not happen. She went with the fluff test that she arranged by herself in Vegas.
By the way, you are correct though Druff is not completely wrong regarding the number of questions asked - Robbi was asked more than 3 questions in the polygraph test that she scheduled on her own. From the report she posted, I think it was in excess of 20 questions. HOWEVER, only 3 of the questions appear to have actually pertained to the issue of whether or not she cheated. Those are the 3 that Robbi posted publicly (the rest were probably fluff questions though I am just speculating).
This can cut both ways. I can certainly understand why Robbi wanted control of the questions. For example, there is no way she wants a polygraph test where she is asked about her relationship with Rip. Or her dealings with Beanz and Bryan. Or targeting Garrett. Or Javiers the night before.
You're smart, I know you get it. Anyway, carry on!
After this blew up I thought for sure that she was the one cheated. The guy that stole the 3 5k chips had a record and access to the hole cards. Now I am flip flopping with her guilt or innocense after yesterdays show. She comes off as being unlikeable and an attention whore. I never knew that you could say I am playing 5k before getting the chips. Loled at the crumpled bills. I know believe that the guy who stole the chips did it because he had an agreement with her. The fact that she didn't press charges is suspicious. If she was getting whole card info would explain why she wanted to keep playing and crushing. Goes back to giving Garret his chips back. Shady to the nth degree, I think Hustler will not be able to recover from this debacle.
I was wondering when it came to high stakes Friday who would be in the game. Originally it was advertised as a 100/200 with Double M, Bill Klein & a few others. But it obviously did fall apart. I think Garrett’s tweet & the LA Times Article probably torpedoed whatever shot this game had of running.
I am not surprised. Earlier this week it was smaller stakes games with Hustler regulars, but Friday was always going to be tough this week. I don’t know if shutting down for a week would of been better long run, but that was my initial thought. This game falling apart sort of affirms it.
I watched a little bit of the game last night and you could tell Nick has been through the wringer. I have never seen him that worn out. I doubt he wanted to play, it was more about filling the seat. It’s the right thing to do to show a taped game tonight, rather than a short handed one that could break early. I think Nick, Ryan, DGAF and whoever else can probably take a few days out of that casino & off social media.
https://twitter.com/HCLPokerShow/sta...oPW6BqxjRPeATg
On Joey’s pod last night, Tom Dwan ask Robbi something to the effect of “Did you give Beanz permission to record your phone conversation?” Robbi, seemed as if she was not aware of a recorded conversation between her and Beanz. At this point I was listening to audio only, so I couldn’t see her facial expression, but there was some silence for a couple seconds.
After Robbi was no longer on the show, Joey and Haralabos (cohosting guy - aka “Bob”) discussed this recorded phone call that they heard between Robbi, Charles Lew, and Beanz. Beanz was trying to sell this recorded call for as much as 30k. Apparently it was a conversation to get Robbi to change her story about misreading the J4 hand. It was really unclear exactly what was talked about on the call. Likely since it was illegally recorded. Both Joey and Bob wanted no part of it. Bob felt it was some sort of trap to get them to play it on air. Bob went as far as not even wanting to listen to it since it was illegally recorded. Someone played it on Bob’s voicemail, he said he listened to some of it. The entire thing is strange.
Beans claims he has an app that automatically records all incoming “Blocked” numbers. Without typing it all out here, Robbi did give a very satisfying answer as to why she called Beanz from a blocked number.
As far as the polygraph results, I’m really not sure what to think about it.
The only opinion I do have is regarding the Polygraph test administrator. Apparently he has been doing Polygraphs since 2007, and attended some school that teaches you how to administer them. It appears that he has been in private investigations / security for many decades. It appears that he added “Polygraph testing” onto the list of services he offers to clients in 2007. From a business stand point, I do not see anything wrong with this. If I was in his shoes, I would have done the same.
I could be wrong, but I have always understood the best Polygraph administrators, have previously worked in law enforcement for police departments/agencies, administering these test where you learn from the best and the number of test you give is vast. I look at it similar to pilots. The best pilots usually come out of the military where they get a lot of free flying time as well as learn from the best vs. someone going to a flight school then paying an hourly rate in the 3 figures to “practice” or rent a plane after that.
I would really like to know more about the administrator as well as how many Polygraph test he has given in the last 15 years. If she was going to go to Nevada to do this, she should have found a Polygraph Administrator that was agreed upon by the poker community to be the top in the Nation. This particular polygraph was to determine “public opinion” for Robbi. It was NOT for a criminal or even a civil matter regarding the J4 hand.
Polygraphs only provide so much information. I think she needs to take 2 more Polygraphs. One by Eric Persson’s people, and then another expert that is determined by the poker community. At that point, that will be 3 Polygraphs administered - and any reasonable person would say that this is enough to satisfy the Polygraph testing portion of this investigation. I am not saying 2 more test will prove guilt or incense, but simply SATISFY the Polygraph aspect of this investigation, if all 3 test produce the same results. If one test gives vastly different results, then she may have a problem.
“22-0190”
It’s very possible this means in 2022, they have given 190 Polygraphs.
It is technically illegal in California to record any conversation -- phone or otherwise -- without both parties recorded giving permission. It is known as a "two party state". Nevada is a one party state, meaning that as long as one person in the conversation is recording it, then the other doesn't have to know. This is why the old TV show "Crank Yankers", featuring celebrities making prank calls and puppets acting them out, was recorded in Las Vegas instead of LA.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Voicemail messages do not apply. If you knowingly leave a voicemail message, that is considered implied permission to be recorded. Thus, voicemails can always be used in a court of law.
However, there are rarely any kind of legal actions for such recordings. It is hard to prove damages when suing, and it's not a criminal offense to record your own conversations. The biggest application of California's two-party-consent law is that these conversations are inadmissible in court, unless a warrant was signed by a judge to allow this.
Hollywood Harry is working up a treatment for a reality show starring all these fools. They should all be locked in a house on the Jersey Shore