my eyes are legit watering WATERING
Dwai that is hysterical.
Pity you're such a hating racist pos you clearly have some life telent that is being wasted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTdnGcd_yls
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my eyes are legit watering WATERING
Dwai that is hysterical.
Pity you're such a hating racist pos you clearly have some life telent that is being wasted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTdnGcd_yls
Fucking retarded mayor. I hope hes just lying through his teeth but such idiocy is unimagineable.
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio revealed Friday a 75 percent spike in coronavirus hospitalizations since a day earlier but rejected the suggestion that the spread could have been caused by massive protests in the wake of the death of George Floyd.
"I would be surprised if that's what's causing it," de Blasio said Friday of the sustained demonstrations that have broken out in the Big Apple and cities throughout the world. "I think we're much more likely in the next week [or] 10 days to see a manifestation, if there is one."
One of the few good things to come from the coronavirus and the riots has been the exposure of Bill de Blasio as an absolutely terrible mayor.Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
Not sure what you're talking about here. I didn't say I know there were WMDs in Iraq, only that Saddam was given such a long time to get rid of them that it was impossible to determine the truth once we got there. Over time I have gotten more skeptical of the Iraq War, but the WMD thing has always been overstated and manipulated by the left, in order to bash Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaiit's amazing Druff still believes all the hype, but then again he still does believe that there were WMDs in Iraq, lol even though that's been proven a lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
Hate to say it Druff but you no longer get to use the phrase fake news cause you believe a lot of stupid shit
The coronavirus is being exploited by the left in many ways, but its danger is legitimate. I do feel that in certain ways the danger is overstated (mostly to people under 35), and in some ways it's understated (mostly to middle-aged people). I feel that this is happening because, in order to scare the mass population as a whole, they have to reduce the "X group is more susceptible than Y group" talk as much as possible. The same type of lies were told in the '80s and '90s regarding AIDS (in reality, hetero, non-IV-drug-using men in the US were VERY unlikely to catch it, and they knew that all along).
I'm looking at the coronavirus from a logical point of view, not one informed by the politics of the left or right.
i'm just bullshitting man, don't over think itQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffNot sure what you're talking about here. I didn't say I know there were WMDs in Iraq, only that Saddam was given such a long time to get rid of them that it was impossible to determine the truth once we got there. Over time I have gotten more skeptical of the Iraq War, but the WMD thing has always been overstated and manipulated by the left, in order to bash Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
The coronavirus is being exploited by the left in many ways, but its danger is legitimate. I do feel that in certain ways the danger is overstated (mostly to people under 35), and in some ways it's understated (mostly to middle-aged people). I feel that this is happening because, in order to scare the mass population as a whole, they have to reduce the "X group is more susceptible than Y group" talk as much as possible. The same type of lies were told in the '80s and '90s regarding AIDS (in reality, hetero, non-IV-drug-using men in the US were VERY unlikely to catch it, and they knew that all along).
I'm looking at the coronavirus from a logical point of view, not one informed by the politics of the left or right.
If you are a Trump supporter, you need to do this immediately...
Americans are gargling with bleach and drinking household cleaners to prevent coronavirus: CDC report
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...jj4-story.html
https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/...BWOZ5YL4DM.jpg
cmon dude, you're better than this
and it's like a month at least late, like how old is this loser, forgetting we already hashed this myth out a month ago at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
Sad!
Sweden's top scientist admits response to virus was too lax
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...ck-pkg-vpx.cnn
I was a Harrah’s Tahoe last night. Forgot the phone so no pics, not much social distancing going on. We probably should have just gone the herd immunity route. Did not gamble, but the mediocre piece of swordfish at Friday’s Station tasted great after months of take out.
I'm one of the few on the left who are pissed off about these protests. Its okay to protest in groups of 10k, but God forbid the father wants to be there for the birth or his child or your family has a funeral to attend. Or the fact my fav video game pub had to closed down permanently... I'm surte most of these protestors will self isolate for two weeks... and the left has no balls to call them out. At least some of us do.
Agree with Druff here. Everyone believed Sadam had them and its only after the fact that its easy to criticize. Bush gets a bad rap for this and its not fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffNot sure what you're talking about here. I didn't say I know there were WMDs in Iraq, only that Saddam was given such a long time to get rid of them that it was impossible to determine the truth once we got there. Over time I have gotten more skeptical of the Iraq War, but the WMD thing has always been overstated and manipulated by the left, in order to bash Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
The coronavirus is being exploited by the left in many ways, but its danger is legitimate. I do feel that in certain ways the danger is overstated (mostly to people under 35), and in some ways it's understated (mostly to middle-aged people). I feel that this is happening because, in order to scare the mass population as a whole, they have to reduce the "X group is more susceptible than Y group" talk as much as possible. The same type of lies were told in the '80s and '90s regarding AIDS (in reality, hetero, non-IV-drug-using men in the US were VERY unlikely to catch it, and they knew that all along).
I'm looking at the coronavirus from a logical point of view, not one informed by the politics of the left or right.
As for COVID 19 though this is not a left vs right issue. In USA it is but nearly everywhere else it largely isnt (which should tell you that you need to call out your fellow trump supporters).
This just is not the case. Do you remember the televised hearings? There was debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBetAgree with Druff here. Everyone believed Sadam had them and its only after the fact that its easy to criticize. Bush gets a bad rap for this and its not fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
As for COVID 19 though this is not a left vs right issue. In USA it is but nearly everywhere else it largely isnt (which should tell you that you need to call out your fellow trump supporters).
I grant that most god fearing, patriotic Americans were swept up with emotion and trusted Bush and Cheney. However, if the biggest export from the Middle East was broccoli we never would have been there.
If I reminded you which business these two hailed from I would be insulting you. The oil business. This was their center of power and connections. I am not directly implying they were profiting financially. It was power
You are a simple person who suffers poor knowledge of the history of the Middle East from the waning days of WWII forward if you believe this first level nonsense peddled by Cheney. Of the two, I hold Bush in less contempt. The Truman doctrine found its genesis exactly there days after Germany fell. This is the most important power struggle of our era.
As for Druff, it make me a little sad to see him walk his Iraq notions back. It’s a serious component of his brand. Don’t ever change big guy.
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Originally Posted by SanlmarThis just is not the case. Do you remember the televised hearings? There was debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
I grant that most god fearing, patriotic Americans were swept up with emotion and trusted Bush and Cheney. However, if the biggest export from the Middle East was broccoli we never would have been there.
If I reminded you which business these two hailed from I would be insulting you. The oil business. This was their center of power and connections. I am not directly implying they were profiting financially. It was power
You are a simple person who suffers poor knowledge of the history of the Middle East from the waning days of WWII forward if you believe this first level nonsense peddled by Cheney. Of the two, I hold Bush in less contempt. The Truman doctrine found its genesis exactly there days after Germany fell. This is the most important power struggle of our era.
As for Druff, it make me a little sad to see him walk his Iraq notions back. It’s a serious component of his brand. Don’t ever change big guy.
if people dont understand the cheney/halliburton angle by now, you're wasting your keystrokes.
It takes a week or two from infection to hospitalization.Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
He's saying the hospitalizations caused by spreading during the protests wouldn't happen for a week or two. Then the deaths would be a couple weeks after that.
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Originally Posted by duped_samaritanIt takes a week or two from infection to hospitalization.Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
He's saying the hospitalizations caused by spreading during the protests wouldn't happen for a week or two. Then the deaths would be a couple weeks after that.
3-5 days for most to show symptoms right?
Regardless it is a boost for Trump, any surge will be blamed on them lol.
Yeah. I don't think most go to the hospital the day they start showing symptoms though.Quote:
Originally Posted by OSAQuote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
3-5 days for most to show symptoms right?
Deblasio could be wrong, but he was making a logical argument. There's plenty of valid reasons to shit on him, this isn't one of them.
You got a crystal ball or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
Saw my parents today for first time in 3 months.
The concern isn't what you'd expect. I wasn't worried about giving it to them... I was worried about them giving it to me! I am ultra careful and go nowhere except hiking, and my parents actually still go to places like the supermarket. (I wish they didn't, but nothing I can do.)
I had basically shut everything down and wouldn't go over to anyone's house or have anyone over here, aside from the people already living in this house.
It's been this way for 3 months. My girlfriend (who is close to my age) was on board with this as well.
I finally decided that, with no end in sight, I'm not going to let an indefinite time pass while my parents get older and older. If something happened to either one of them while I was waiting for it to be "safe", and I didn't get to see them beforehand because of COVID paranoia, I would feel awful.
So I said fuck it and invited them to come over, and they came today. Was very nice to see them again, and it reminded me of what shut-ins we had become, even with all the hiking.
Enjoyed it and will do again.
oh noooo not texas
no wayyyyy. you mean we might be testing more than ever before?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
shocking
I don't understand the "omg there's a spike when we reopen" rhetoric.
Okay?
There's also a spike in economic improvement, employment, and quality of life. What was the alternative? Lock down until an effective vaccine is here -- if that ever comes?
What I do know is that you don't mandate that nursing homes take COVID-19-positive people, against their will. That killed a ton of people. But I guess it's okay because Democrats Andrew Cuomo and Gretchen Whitmer did it, while the Texas governor did the opposite and made the practice illegal.
Wait a minute, facts and logic, i don't anticipate a response to that from sonatine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Here are the COVID-19 FACTS which every state should release:
- Percentage of deaths related to nursing homes
- Percentage of overall nursing home residents dead
- Exact racial breakdown of COVID-19 cases and deaths
- COVID-19 deaths and severe cases listed for both age, overweight, obesity, and morbid obesity groups
- COVID-19 survival rate on ventilators
- Number of COVID-19 deaths where cause of death is from multiple factors, or for a factor other than COVID-19 where COVID-19 happened to be present (such as a drug OD)
- An exact definition of what "pre-existing condition" means for COVID-19 purposes, and a list of death and severe symptom rates for each pre-existing condition
- A breakdown of the likelihood to have no symptoms, mild symptoms (bothersome, can go about daily live), moderate (very sick, but not worse than a typical flu), severe (debilitating, perhaps casing permanent damage, but not life threatening), very severe (breathing problems, ultimately resolves), critical (near death, ultimately resolves), and deadly. Break this down by both age and whether one has pre-existing conditions.
They have this data. Why don't we know it?
You know why druff, because the data isn't backing up their agenda. Sickening they used this to taint President Trump and scare people to death, ruin the economy and chastise people for protesting against unconstitutional lockdowns and then look the other way when it's their party doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Do as i say, not as i do
Sad!
Yeah, it really doesn’t matter if it isn’t pumping out deaths on the back end, which it isn’t in Texas if we are talking about a month ago. I mean it might have some long lasting health effects for a few, and be a miserable few weeks, but to this point, I see no evidence anywhere that it’s resulted in more deaths, at least yet. I don’t think it looks likely to now in summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I would think we’d see some early evidence of it and I don’t see it. The Southern Hemisphere is lighting up as one would expect.
Like California is really exploding with cases, but it’s worst death days were a month ago, so it appears to be a product of more testing to this point if people don’t start dropping within the next few weeks. I would have bet heavily on we would have a spike given it was still cool a few weeks ago when stuff was first opening, but there simply isn’t more death anywhere that I can see yet.
Either way, it doesn’t matter, closing again would be absolutely foolish after we let millions of kids run the streets in every major city in America for weeks.
If that doesn’t result in many deaths in a month, then I would have to think the worst is over until October or November and maybe just done completely and we simply have more cross immunity than we realized. It’s truly baffling to me that there hasn’t been a spike in deaths anywhere or 60k case days. It would take 60-90k new cases a day to even get back to the worst days in April given we are catching people far less sick than previously.
Opening has been a completely positive story thus far.
As mentioned in the last post, here is The Druff Scale for COVID-19 Symptom Severity:
1) No symptoms (unable to feel any indication of having COVID-19)
2) Mild symptoms (bothersome, can go about daily life)
3) Moderate symptoms (very sick, but not worse than a typical flu)
4) Severe symptoms (debilitating, perhaps causing permanent damage, but not life threatening)
5) Very severe symptoms (breathing problems, ultimately resolves)
6) Critical symptoms (near death, ultimately resolves)
7) Deadly symptoms (patient dies of COVID-19 causes)
By age group, here's my best guess of what you're going to see, from most likely to less likely, provided you don't have major pre-existing conditions. Anything not listed means it's highly unlikely for that age group and not worth mentioning.
0-10:
No symptoms
Mild symptoms
11-25:
No symptoms
Mild symptoms
Moderate symptoms
26-35:
Mild symptoms
No symptoms
Moderate symptoms
Severe symptoms
36-45:
Moderate symptoms
No symptoms
Severe symptoms
Mild symptoms
Very severe symptoms
46-55:
Severe symptoms
No symptoms
Moderate symptoms
Very severe symptoms
Critical symptoms
Deadly symptoms
56-65:
Severe symptoms
No symptoms
Very severe symptoms
Moderate symptoms
Critical symptoms
Deadly symptoms
66-75:
Severe symptoms
No symptoms
Very severe symptoms
Critical symptoms
Deadly symptoms
Moderate symptoms
76-85:
Very severe symptoms
Severe symptoms
No symptoms
Critical symptoms
Deadly symptoms
86+:
Critical symptoms
Very severe symptoms
Deadly symptoms
No symptoms
Severe symptoms
Lisinopril FTWQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffGreat. That's me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
High BP and Type A blood... and at an age where getting a severe version of it is somewhat likely.
This type A thing was reported on back in March, then it died, now it's back I guess.
I'm not against the opening, but give it another week. It can take up to 2 weeks for symptoms to show up after exposure to the virus. If there's is no significant spike in cases by then, it's all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
I was already overdue for a cut when everything started to shut down. Now I look like the missing link. I'm tempted to get the shortest haircut of my life when I finally go back to the barber tomorrow. Maybe get a military cut or something.
I have a buddy, 49, who got it in January and his lungs still feel like he has pneumonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
He was just tested and he doesn’t have it now.
He’s seeing a doctor and I don’t pry but his lungs are prolly damaged. This sucks for him.
COVID isn’t a binary issue. You sound like split or tgull here. .
Now maybe the virus strength is waning. This notion interests me. He was one of the early adopters
I know druff has mentioned it, and that sentence was in acknowledgement that he has said that, because until your account of it, I had heard only vague mentions of it outside druff.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarI have a buddy, 49, who got it in January and his lungs still feel like he has pneumonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
He was just tested and he doesn’t have it now.
He’s seeing a doctor and I don’t pry but his lungs are prolly damaged. This sucks for him.
COVID isn’t a binary issue. You sound like split or tgull here. .
Now maybe the virus strength is waning. This notion interests me. He was one of the early adopters
Any survivor account, and I read some harrowing ones, were about how bad it was during, a slow return to normal accompanied by exhaustion, but I haven’t heard or read of anyone actually dealing with it. I hope your buddy returns to normal.
Clearly I’ve taken this seriously always, and I don’t discount the hellish nature of the ordeal. I had trouble breathing for six months back when I got sick. Not that drowning they describe, more like a six month long asthma attack. I’m not handwaving away lung damage, I just had thought it was more theoretical or a concern rather than a prevalent after effect.
My wife's hospital is doing a 2,000 person study on staff and the numbers are very low for who has antibodies. We have a very good friend that works in the ER (staff works with covid patients daily) where they tested everyone. They found only one nurse to have antibodies and one doctor that currently has covid. I'm afraid the theory that many people had it and didn't know might not be reality. This also shows that the PPE works when used correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRYeah, it really doesn’t matter if it isn’t pumping out deaths on the back end, which it isn’t in Texas if we are talking about a month ago. I mean it might have some long lasting health effects for a few, and be a miserable few weeks, but to this point, I see no evidence anywhere that it’s resulted in more deaths, at least yet. I don’t think it looks likely to now in summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I would think we’d see some early evidence of it and I don’t see it. The Southern Hemisphere is lighting up as one would expect.
Like California is really exploding with cases, but it’s worst death days were a month ago, so it appears to be a product of more testing to this point if people don’t start dropping within the next few weeks. I would have bet heavily on we would have a spike given it was still cool a few weeks ago when stuff was first opening, but there simply isn’t more death anywhere that I can see yet.
Either way, it doesn’t matter, closing again would be absolutely foolish after we let millions of kids run the streets in every major city in America for weeks.
If that doesn’t result in many deaths in a month, then I would have to think the worst is over until October or November and maybe just done completely and we simply have more cross immunity than we realized. It’s truly baffling to me that there hasn’t been a spike in deaths anywhere or 60k case days. It would take 60-90k new cases a day to even get back to the worst days in April given we are catching people far less sick than previously.
Opening has been a completely positive story thus far.
Yea, they just did a 15000 person random antibody test at grocery stores in New York and came out with 1 in 7 had it in New York State which makes sense. 1.5% cfr, which is in line with what was surmised. It was the best evidence as it was random, across all ages and demographics in all corners of the state.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishMy wife's hospital is doing a 2,000 person study on staff and the numbers are very low for who has antibodies. We have a very good friend that works in the ER (staff works with covid patients daily) where they tested everyone. They found only one nurse to have antibodies and one doctor that currently has covid. I'm afraid the theory that many people had it and didn't know might not be reality. This also shows that the PPE works when used correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
I think it’s easily going to be worst in NY, and the adjacent east coast states ,yet it’s still only 1 in 7. Idk what to make of this virus. It was in the 30s for Hispanic community, a little over 20 for blacks, and lesser among all other races that are more likely to have the ability to stay home and sit it out. It was the best indication of how many likely have it in a bad area, but doesn’t explain why it’s not getting worse unless the virus is weakening or we have more more immunity like some studies are suggesting.
I guess it’s also possible it’s a 500-700/deaths a day virus in the summer once the first wave hits the most vulnerable.
I averaged out the last two weeks for seven days and it was like 988 deaths a day two weeks ago and 862 last week. It’s possible we drop down to 500 and cruise at that number until fall. I have no idea. Clearly it would wipe out people teetering initially, but there is always people constantly moving to that stage of life constantly also.
Link to study. I had no idea it was a month old. Clearly a few more will have had it now. I had no idea when I read it yesterday that it was that dated. It was on front page.
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/ami...tibody-testing
THE CORONA SCAM TO MAKE THE RIOTS MORE AGGRESIVE THEORY. Or just a coincidence they figure that out as they are pretty much over
I thought you guys didn’t believe anything out of WHO? They are China’s mouthpiece according to Trump and others. What if this is China trying to get us to take off the masks?Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
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Originally Posted by thesidedish
so we looked like assholes at the supermarket for no reason is what they're saying
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Originally Posted by BCRI thought you guys didn’t believe anything out of WHO? They are China’s mouthpiece according to Trump and others. What if this is China trying to get us to take off the masks?Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
hmmmmm interesting theory
We must always listen to the scientists Blake. Questioning them is absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeQuote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
so we looked like assholes at the supermarket for no reason is what they're saying
I was completely baffled by that article until I read a few articles.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishWe must always listen to the scientists Blake. Questioning them is absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
It was more a reclassification of many asymptomatic people into the classification of mild disease. Mild disease spreads. Truly asymptomatic do not.
From what I took from the different articles I read, it said when they talked to people listed as asymptomatic, that most didn’t have a fever or persistent cough, but they had been mildly sick.
They said they think there is far less completely asymptotic people than previously thought, and through contact tracing in these other countries they were finding those that were fully asymptomatic weren’t spreading it at all, but there was far fewer of those than they believed before.
I don’t know what it means for prevention. The people with mild symptoms are still going to be walking around thinking they just have allergies or something mild because they don’t have a fever or a persistent cough. So basically it’s now we have this small group of truly asymptomatic people and they don’t spread, but mild cases we before labeled asymptomatic. do spread. I don’t know what to take from that other than far fewer people dodged it completely even if young. But they likely won’t view it as Covid. Don’t know how that helps.