Don’t kid yourselves, Bush Cheney & Rumsfeld were Neoconservatives
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Don’t kid yourselves, Bush Cheney & Rumsfeld were Neoconservatives
Or perhaps even more powerfully, with that money we could have given all of Afghanistan electricity, running water and sanitation. That might have earned us some cred. For that much money we could have done that foe the whole Middle East.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
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Originally Posted by Walter SobchakOr perhaps even more powerfully, with that money we could have given all of Afghanistan electricity, running water and sanitation. That might have earned us some cred. For that much money we could have done that foe the whole Middle East.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
Saudi Arabia could do that tomorrow. And again the next day.
But they’re assholes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_ChapsQuote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
Saudi Arabia could do that tomorrow. And again the next day.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
How hard is it to say “subs for sale, who wants some?” Then start taking orders or for some countries like China saying sorry we don’t serve your kind in this establishment.
I saw a video report by an Australian talking head that Australia was getting completely screwed over cost-wise by the French companies involved in that submarine deal. Ridiculous overpricing and delays that would make your typical no-bid-contracted cost-plus American defense contractor blush. The French government surely knows this and is only doing the diplomatic-recalling to save face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Wouldn’t you rather have nuclear subs than diesel subs?Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyI saw a video report by an Australian talking head that Australia was getting completely screwed over cost-wise by the French companies involved in that submarine deal. Ridiculous overpricing and delays that would make your typical no-bid-contracted cost-plus American defense contractor blush. The French government surely knows this and is only doing the diplomatic-recalling to save face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
That’s a separate issue from the ridiculous overpricing and delays that Australia faced in French submarine deal. Here’s that report from a few months ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakWouldn’t you rather have nuclear subs than diesel subs?Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
https://youtu.be/wjxM6unonVY
P.S. Also, the original French deal was supposed to have those subs built in Australia, but that part was changed soon after the deal was made, so a huge jobs-creating appeal of that deal disappeared.
LOL the Trumpers who claim that China wanted Biden to become president!
https://youtu.be/67T_KhGXMp0
https://youtu.be/R41FIR35zSw
Can we contain Biden Foreign affairs in the BUT LIKE JOSEPH BIDEN HAS SO MUCH FOREIGN EXPERIENCE OR SOMETHING thread?
There is so much going down and I am very much interested but not enough to plow through this thread.
Maybe Druff can move the posts about this submarine deal and its fallout to that thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
No worries. They are good posts but there will be so much more to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyMaybe Druff can move the posts about this submarine deal and its fallout to that thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
This deal is a major poke in China’s eye and far tougher than anything Trump did.
I can fight a war on two fronts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
The Australian sub deal is a pig in a poke. It’s simply great military hardware salesmanship. The US stole a sale from France. It’s business. The US diplomatic core did this all in secrecy and that is what pissed France off more than anything. The diplomatic amateurism cause JOSEPH BIDEN HAS SO MUCH FOREIGN EXPERIENCE OR SOMETHING should be amongst your many concerns.
Australia wouldn’t even be able to man these subs. You gotta give the US salesmen a golf clap.
You know who might be another eager prospect for nuclear military hardware? Japan. I want credit for the sales lead.
But yeah, if pissing off China more than Trump and war is what you are seeking then you are in good hands.
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Originally Posted by SanlmarI can fight a war on two fronts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
The Australian sub deal is a pig in a poke. It’s simply great military hardware salesmanship. The US stole a sale from France. It’s business. The US diplomatic core did this all in secrecy and that is what pissed France off more than anything. The diplomatic amateurism cause JOSEPH BIDEN HAS SO MUCH FOREIGN EXPERIENCE OR SOMETHING should be amongst your many concerns.
Australia wouldn’t even be able to man these subs. You gotta give the US salesmen a golf clap.
You know who might be another eager prospect for nuclear military hardware? Japan. I want credit for the sales lead.
But yeah, if pissing off China more than Trump and war is what you are seeking then you are in good hands.
I’ve been waiting for this for awhile. Has to be being discussed. China would absolutely lose their minds. So much so I wonder if Japan would even want them. Forget Taiwan and South China Sea theatrics. Give Japan some actual nukes and China might give the Taliban ICBMs. Might have to wait until any survivors of Hiroshima are dead. They live a scary long time over there.
Look I know China was ‘Murica’s largest trading partner. The supply chains of both countries are highly interconnected as proven during the pandemic.
As we taught Walter, China holds more than a trillion dollars in US Treasuries, most of which it cannot easily sell off in order not to depreciate in value and suffer massive losses.
I get the nuclear horror.
Here’s the thing.
JOSEPH BIDEN HAS SO MUCH FOREIGN EXPERIENCE OR SOMETHING. A “mistake” by one of the two countries is always possible. That is why diplomacy is so important. I hold our leadership in extremely low esteem. This has been true for multiple administrations. Presently, I am seeing a continuous series of mind blowing diplomatic fuck ups which include the manner this sub deal was done.
What I characterize as a “fuck up” as a moderate Republican are seen as something entirely different to a neoconservative. I am self aware enough to know that.
Have a nice day.
We’re you always this smug and I hadn’t noticed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I know how much Treasury debt China is holding. It isn’t a problem. If anything it is leverage. If you owe the bank $100 that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 billion, that’s the bank’s problem.
The US is currently issuing nearly a trillion in new Treasuries per year. If we really had to cash in all of China’s chips we could issue another trillion to others, which would be offset by the cancellation of the bonds were buying back from China. We owe American investors more than 10x what we owe China. Demand for Treasuries is very strong and always will be so long as we don’t default.
The debt aspect of our relationship with China is just not that big of a problem.
I know diplomacy is important. That’s like saying breathing and eating are important. Where were you for Trump’s whole term when I was talking about how we abandoned diplomacy? If you were on him about it and I missed it, my apologies.
Biden vs. Trump on any aspect of foreign relations is like Tyson v. Spinks.
I was prolly always this smug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakWe’re you always this smug and I hadn’t noticed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I know how much Treasury debt China is holding. It isn’t a problem. If anything it is leverage. If you owe the bank $100 that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 billion, that’s the bank’s problem.
The US is currently issuing nearly a trillion in new Treasuries per year. If we really had to cash in all of China’s chips we could issue another trillion to others, which would be offset by the cancellation of the bonds were buying back from China. We owe American investors more than 10x what we owe China. Demand for Treasuries is very strong and always will be so long as we don’t default.
The debt aspect of our relationship with China is just not that big of a problem.
I know diplomacy is important. That’s like saying breathing and eating are important. Where were you for Trump’s whole term when I was talking about how we abandoned diplomacy? If you were on him about it and I missed it, my apologies.
Biden vs. Trump on any aspect of foreign relations is like Tyson v. Spinks.
It’s just a hunch but I bet China thinks a trillion is a lot of paper. My post talked about the decrease in value from a quick China sale. Would they really want to take that hit? I’m considering the other player too.
Trump is gone. I’m sussing the imminent threat of conflict. Sucking at international relations or purposely seeking out the next conflict is not excused because Biden might be less objectionable than Trump.
Chinese sorties over Taiwan the other day have nothing to do with Trump. You gotta let it go man.
Ok, maybe I’m more smug.
I’m not blaming Trump I was wondering if your view has changed since Biden took office. Because given your stated views you should approve much more of Biden.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarI was prolly always this smug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
It’s just a hunch but I bet China thinks a trillion is a lot of paper. My post talked about the decrease in value from a quick China sale. Would they really want to take that hit? I’m considering the other player too.
Trump is gone. I’m sussing the imminent threat of conflict. Sucking at international relations or purposely seeking out the next conflict is not excused because Biden might be less objectionable than Trump.
Chinese sorties over Taiwan the other day have nothing to do with Trump. You gotta let it go man.
Ok, maybe I’m more smug.
I think China will make noise about their trillion like they have before but nobody should take anything they say seriously, as they are petulant children, while we should be prepared for anything.
I think the risk of immediate confrontation is low and I think China is weaker than they seem (and weaker than they think). But if they invade Taiwan I think the US will pussy out and not defend it. I hope I’m wrong.
Front page, top-headline CNN article is an opinion piece bashing Kyrsten Sinema for "not voting with her party more than 75% of the time", and using a very unflattering picture of her.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asse...xlarge-169.jpg
Mainstream media MAD MAD MAD at the very bad lady from Arizona.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/03/polit...sis/index.html
Important news, guyz.
DNC super pissed about the Sinema situation because it's far harder to primary out a Democrat incumbent in 2020s Arizona than beat a Republican. They knew she was moderate, but didn't know it would be to this extent, and are furious.
So here come the attacks from propaganda arm CNN.
Kyrsten Sinema is a fucking lesbian.
Joe Manchin is a fucking idiot.
They need to be replaced by some real Democrats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzEPvj46rGQ
So a non US citizen chases a US Senator into the bathroom and scolds her? JFC
Capitol Police doing a bang-up job as always.
How do they let a US Senator get followed into the bathroom by protesters? What if one of them attacked Sinema?
Good luck getting Sinema primaried. They can rant about this possibility, but it's not gonna happen, and they know it. That's why they're so angry.
You smooth brain RINOs should have considered that before you rallied against Trump, you get what you get. Oh wait, His tone, I don't like his tone. LOL, you got played by the media, what a sucker.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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holy fuck that is absolutely mind-blowing...dont give a shit what you think about her, her politics, etc, but to be able to get that close to a standing senator without anybody around just goes to show how much shit is broken...no issues with the plebs exercising their right to free speech, but jesus...
Living in AZ and knowing a few folks. She’s not a lesbian. She’s a switch hitter and has admitted such publically besides I thought being a liberal y’all would embrace a lesbian. I wouldn’t be surprised now her only reason for still being a Democrat is the idiotic stance of some Republicans towards gay marriage and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
Druff you clearly didn’t read the post this happened out here in Tempe AZ. USCP wouldn’t be responsible for her safety in this case it was a clear failure by the ASU Campus Police who should’ve known better considering how radical some of the students are on campus. Again I find it fascinating her slow move to the right over the years. When she was in the AZ state legislature she was as radically leftist as AOC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Her local office is on CamelBack Road in Phoenix in a higher end section. Funny Phoenix PD has had no issues per se at her office other then a protest a couple weeks ago which they handled properly and fairly to avoid any issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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holy fuck that is absolutely mind-blowing...dont give a shit what you think about her, her politics, etc, but to be able to get that close to a standing senator without anybody around just goes to show how much shit is broken...no issues with the plebs exercising their right to free speech, but jesus...
Yeah somehow I thought this occurred in DC.
Guess it was an ASU fail.
dont know what the deal is with senators/congresspeople...always thought they had some sort of entourage, not secret service level shit but at least somebody/some persons to kinda make sure they dont get cornered when they're trying to take a shit...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeLYVsf6qEA
If you take the standard tour of Congress you pass through the tunnel between the two wings and there are senators and representatives all over the place walking freely. When I was walking through I saw McCain giving an interview on camera and everyone was just walking through. It happens there constantly. There’s heavy security to get inside, but once you’re inside there’s more ability to walk around, at least the last time I was there.
She could really piss the left off by switching parties and give Mitch the leadership back. End of Biden agenda.
I often wondered why the GOP hasn’t done more to get Manchin to switch. It’s a GOP state and he is probably the last Dem senator from that state when he retires.
The Biden agenda is already over.
The Democrats can only do one more vote with a 51 majority in the Senate that involves the budget or finances and that is it. Republicans are trying to make them use it to pass the debt ceiling. Democrats used it back in March to pass the $1.9 Trillion bill. After the Democrats bypass the filibuster one last time. They will need 60 votes in the Senate to get anything passed, which they will never get.
:denied
He won't switch because he loves the attention he is getting. The focus is 100% on him, if he becomes a Republican he drifts into obscurity, but as an Independent Democratic holding all the cards he is a kingmaker. In a couple years, he will write a book, something like 'Vote your Conscious' or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
He will eventually cave, he always does. He might not go to $3 Trillion for social programs, but he will get up to $2 Trillion for sure. It really does not matter, the economy is fucked long term as we have $40 Trillion in unfunded liabilities over the next 20 years. You think the disparity between haves and have nots is bad now, wait until the debt is 250% of GDP. But people like Biden, Schumer and Pelosi, and even McConnell will be long dead so they don't give a shit, it's all about a short term win and the next election. A bunch of lifetime government hacks who have never held a private sector job, it's amazing lemmings on both sides look up to these people and admire them. I remember in college some of us took a trip to DC and were able to visit our congressman in his office. I don't remember his name but after leaving the office I was like what a fucking mope. If there was ever an experience that turned me away from public office it was that one.
yeah that makes sense...was more talking when they were outside of the halls of Congress...Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
I didn't like his tone or his ethics. Tone I can handle so long as the ethics are sound and his were far from it. I would've loved to have voted for Trump if the vote were only a vote for whether or not he worked hard and gave a genuine effort to do good things. Unfortunately for him it was also his ethics and that is what sunk him. Also, he never should have said one bad word about Mr McCain. Not a good look to be insulting someone most of the rest of us consider to be a great patriot. This is just one voter talking but in my mind he had to go. It is shame on the democrats to have nominated someone so old and weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullYou smooth brain RINOs should have considered that before you rallied against Trump, you get what you get. Oh wait, His tone, I don't like his tone. LOL, you got played by the media, what a sucker.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish