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09-24-2014, 09:31 PM
DJ_Chaps

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

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Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps

new hof pic for this week only

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...geeHOF2014.jpg

Willie McGee always included in the "ugliest baseball players of all time" list.

I also remember the chant, "Where would you be without Willie McGee?"

http://www.stlcardinalbaseball.com/w...ee-150x150.jpg
09-25-2014, 12:26 AM
PLOL

Regardless of the outcome of the bet, I think we can both agree that we had a lot of fun out there during the course of the season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko58baUVstE
09-25-2014, 06:09 AM
BCR

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

Dear Clayton; Love, Pedro
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/pe...ayton-kershaw/

Grantland writer compares Kershaw to Pedro Martinez in 2000. It alludes to this ballpark issue.

I object to the comparison but he is now in the conversation.
Kershaw plays in a slapnut NL division.
Pedro played against the iron including NY Yankees during the juicer era.

Link in article to Washington Post’s website arguing Kershaw is having the best season of any pitcher since 1995.

This was the sickest year I will ever see in my life. To put up those numbers in that era was absurd. As an Indian fan when they were good in that period, he just stole my soul on so many occasions. A guy would need to have an era under 0.75 and a 0.50 whip before I'd even consider the possibility that a current pitcher had a better season. Six and seven spot hitters had 30 homers in that era. Plus Pedro was 5'11 and like 165lb soaking wet. He was simply amazing. Best pitcher of my lifetime.
09-25-2014, 07:27 AM
ToasterOven

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Originally Posted by BCR

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

Dear Clayton; Love, Pedro
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/pe...ayton-kershaw/

Grantland writer compares Kershaw to Pedro Martinez in 2000. It alludes to this ballpark issue.

I object to the comparison but he is now in the conversation.
Kershaw plays in a slapnut NL division.
Pedro played against the iron including NY Yankees during the juicer era.

Link in article to Washington Post’s website arguing Kershaw is having the best season of any pitcher since 1995.

This was the sickest year I will ever see in my life. To put up those numbers in that era was absurd. As an Indian fan when they were good in that period, he just stole my soul on so many occasions. A guy would need to have an era under 0.75 and a 0.50 whip before I'd even consider the possibility that a current pitcher had a better season. Six and seven spot hitters had 30 homers in that era. Plus Pedro was 5'11 and like 165lb soaking wet. He was simply amazing. Best pitcher of my lifetime.

Kershaw's ERA+ over the last couple of years is awesome. He's in the 190's, which is pretty fucking spectacular. He's well above Verlander's Cy Young/MVP year which was 172. Kershaw is in Sandy Koufax territory.

Oh, Pedro's 2000 ERA + was 291. Pedro is not only the best pitcher of my lifetime, he's the best pitcher of anyone's lifetime.
09-25-2014, 07:54 AM
herbertstemple

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by herbertstemple

I get 69-6, discounting relief and ND. Look at 3 of the parks he pitches in, LA, SD, and SF. Three of the toughest parks in MLB to score in. There are 150 starts in which he started and got the decision, of these 93 games or 62% were played in these parks. Any decent pitcher would have a bulging win % if his team got him 4 runs in any of these 3 parks. Col and ARI are hitter friendly, but the rest of the time Kershaw basically gets a pass.

Compare that to the parks Wainwright has to pitch in, only STL is a reasonable park(tougher this year because of the Cardinals weak hitting), but CHC, CIN, PIT and MIL, all hitter friendly parks.

Also 2013 IP Kershaw 236, Wainwright 241.

The 62-0 stat was reported on several broadcasts. Where were the 6 losses?

You mentioned yourself that Colorado and Arizona are hitter friendly, and the Dodgers play as many games on the road in those places as they do in SF and SD. And Colorado is much more of a hitters' park than any pitchers' park is a pitchers' park. So no matter which way you slice it, Kershaw is not enjoying the benefit of pitchers' parks on the road, yet his ERA is a spectacular 1.85. He's not one of those pitchers who owns at Dodger Stadium but gets clobbered on the road. I have seen many of those "good" pitchers over the years and agree they were overrated, but Kershaw isn't.

As I said before, Wainwright's problem is that he gets bombed too often. For the last 2 years, he has had a number of absolutely terrible starts, and then he pretty much owns the rest of the time. Kershaw almost never gets bombed. In fact, Greinke doesn't either, but Greinke's typical start is not nearly as good as the Kershaw or Wainwright typical start.

5/17/2014... @ ARI..... S..... L..... 7..... 18
5/4/2010..... MIL....... S..... L..... 6..... 11
10/15/2009.. PHI....... S..... L..... 6..... 8
8/3/2009..... MIL....... S..... L..... 5..... 6
4/26/2009... @ COL.... S..... L..... 4..... 10
4/21/2009... @ HOU.... S..... L..... 5..... 8

Best CF Cards ever had was Curt Flood. Where would pro sports be without him?
09-25-2014, 12:11 PM
BCR

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

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Originally Posted by BCR

This was the sickest year I will ever see in my life. To put up those numbers in that era was absurd. As an Indian fan when they were good in that period, he just stole my soul on so many occasions. A guy would need to have an era under 0.75 and a 0.50 whip before I'd even consider the possibility that a current pitcher had a better season. Six and seven spot hitters had 30 homers in that era. Plus Pedro was 5'11 and like 165lb soaking wet. He was simply amazing. Best pitcher of my lifetime.

Kershaw's ERA+ over the last couple of years is awesome. He's in the 190's, which is pretty fucking spectacular. He's well above Verlander's Cy Young/MVP year which was 172. Kershaw is in Sandy Koufax territory.

Oh, Pedro's 2000 ERA + was 291. Pedro is not only the best pitcher of my lifetime, he's the best pitcher of anyone's lifetime.

I wasn't trying to imply Kershaw is anything but the best pitcher in the game if my post came off that way. He certainly is. He's the MVP IMO. I just meant that Pedro's season, in context, was an astounding once in a lifetime type year that I doubt I'll ever see again. As you said, probably the best anyone has ever seen.

Plop -250
09-25-2014, 12:14 PM
Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by herbertstemple

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

The 62-0 stat was reported on several broadcasts. Where were the 6 losses?

You mentioned yourself that Colorado and Arizona are hitter friendly, and the Dodgers play as many games on the road in those places as they do in SF and SD. And Colorado is much more of a hitters' park than any pitchers' park is a pitchers' park. So no matter which way you slice it, Kershaw is not enjoying the benefit of pitchers' parks on the road, yet his ERA is a spectacular 1.85. He's not one of those pitchers who owns at Dodger Stadium but gets clobbered on the road. I have seen many of those "good" pitchers over the years and agree they were overrated, but Kershaw isn't.

As I said before, Wainwright's problem is that he gets bombed too often. For the last 2 years, he has had a number of absolutely terrible starts, and then he pretty much owns the rest of the time. Kershaw almost never gets bombed. In fact, Greinke doesn't either, but Greinke's typical start is not nearly as good as the Kershaw or Wainwright typical start.

5/17/2014... @ ARI..... S..... L..... 7..... 18
5/4/2010..... MIL....... S..... L..... 6..... 11
10/15/2009.. PHI....... S..... L..... 6..... 8
8/3/2009..... MIL....... S..... L..... 5..... 6
4/26/2009... @ COL.... S..... L..... 4..... 10
4/21/2009... @ HOU.... S..... L..... 5..... 8

Best CF Cards ever had was Curt Flood. Where would pro sports be without him?

Is it possible the Dodgers scored these runs after he was out of the game?
09-25-2014, 12:22 PM
simpdog

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by herbertstemple

5/17/2014... @ ARI..... S..... L..... 7..... 18
5/4/2010..... MIL....... S..... L..... 6..... 11
10/15/2009.. PHI....... S..... L..... 6..... 8
8/3/2009..... MIL....... S..... L..... 5..... 6
4/26/2009... @ COL.... S..... L..... 4..... 10
4/21/2009... @ HOU.... S..... L..... 5..... 8

Best CF Cards ever had was Curt Flood. Where would pro sports be without him?

Is it possible the Dodgers scored these runs after he was out of the game?

A quick check of the May 17th game from this year says yes to this.

He let up 7 runs in the 2nd (Dodgers losing 7-0) and was yanked.
09-26-2014, 03:26 AM
WillieMcFML

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Originally Posted by PLOL

Irregardless of the outcome of the bet, I think we can both agree that we had a lot of fun out there during the course of the season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko58baUVstE

:this

me and plop talked about it and agreed we both had a lot of fun and would rather just chop at this point

druff, please ship monies back accordingly
09-26-2014, 03:39 AM
Dan Druff

Ok, please PM me details of where you want the $ sent and where you sent it to me in the first place, so I can remind myself since I am old and forgetful.
09-26-2014, 03:40 AM
Dan Druff

Also why couldn't you chop last year's Cardinals/Dodgers bet with me?

:knife
09-26-2014, 03:43 AM
WillieMcFML

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Ok, please PM me details of where you want the $ sent and where you sent it to me in the first place, so I can remind myself since I am old and forgetful.

ghey (indianapolis)
09-26-2014, 07:06 AM
PLOL

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Ok, please PM me details of where you want the $ sent and where you sent it to me in the first place, so I can remind myself since I am old and forgetful.

Druff.

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09-26-2014, 12:10 PM
PLOL

Vegas has the Cards at a 60% favorite for tonight, and a 58% favorite for tomorrow. Don't know about the last game, but I'm guessing they'll be a ~70% favorite, so that'll give the Cards a ~25% chance of sweeping.
09-26-2014, 12:19 PM
Crowe Diddly

I had about zero interest in baseball this year, but I'll for sure be following this final series.

hella-sweat.
09-26-2014, 12:35 PM
ToasterOven

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Originally Posted by BCR

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

Kershaw's ERA+ over the last couple of years is awesome. He's in the 190's, which is pretty fucking spectacular. He's well above Verlander's Cy Young/MVP year which was 172. Kershaw is in Sandy Koufax territory.

Oh, Pedro's 2000 ERA + was 291. Pedro is not only the best pitcher of my lifetime, he's the best pitcher of anyone's lifetime.

I wasn't trying to imply Kershaw is anything but the best pitcher in the game if my post came off that way. He certainly is. He's the MVP IMO. I just meant that Pedro's season, in context, was an astounding once in a lifetime type year that I doubt I'll ever see again. As you said, probably the best anyone has ever seen.

Plop -250

I was attempting to add to your point, not refute it.

People just don't get how good Pedro was, most of the time.
09-26-2014, 12:45 PM
Hockey Guy

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

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Originally Posted by BCR

I wasn't trying to imply Kershaw is anything but the best pitcher in the game if my post came off that way. He certainly is. He's the MVP IMO. I just meant that Pedro's season, in context, was an astounding once in a lifetime type year that I doubt I'll ever see again. As you said, probably the best anyone has ever seen.

Plop -250

I was attempting to add to your point, not refute it.

People just don't get how good Pedro was, most of the time.

I personally think Pedro Martinez was the GOAT. I was a huuuuuuuuuge Expos fan back in the day & might be slightly biased but he was almost unhittable.
09-26-2014, 10:26 PM
WillieMcFML

PLOP

two more to go
09-27-2014, 01:00 AM
BCR

Damn, and the Pirates won to keep them motivated. By Sunday, Plop might wish Druff simply shipped the money back.

Plop -130
09-27-2014, 01:43 AM
WillieMcFML

got lynn and wainwright (hopefully) for the last two against some scrubs who don't have a manager or anything to play for

and they aren't in chicago anymore where plop can pay some busboy to give them mrobot-burger food borne pathogen
09-27-2014, 02:29 AM
Dan Druff

The Diamondbacks are all kinds of awful, so a sweep here actually isn't at all a longshot, especially with the first game done.
09-27-2014, 02:32 AM
WillieMcFML

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

The Diamondbacks are all kinds of awful, so a sweep here actually isn't at all a longshot, especially with the first game done.

you offering insurance?
09-27-2014, 10:31 AM
PLOL

Cards are a 60.5% favorite this game and a 63.5% favorite for tomorrow. So Willie has about a 38.5% chance.

Not gonna lie, a win today would be preferred
09-27-2014, 11:22 AM
ToasterOven

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Originally Posted by PLOL

Cards are a 60.5% favorite this game and a 63.5% favorite for tomorrow. So Willie has about a 38.5% chance.

Not gonna lie, a win today would be preferred

Liriano is currently shitting the bed for the Bucs.
09-27-2014, 12:40 PM
Dan Druff

Speaking of the Diamondbacks, why fire Gibson and Trammell on the final weekend of the season? What does that accomplish? Are they trying to embarrass them or something?

Here the team has 3 totally meaningless games remaining, and it's pretty clear that the fail is the fault of the front office, not the coaching staff. Everyone knew from the start that the Diamondbacks would suck, and that it would be a two team NL West race with the Giants and Dodgers. So why punish them and do a high-profile firing while everyone's watching baseball?

Asshole move right there by Tony LaRussa.

The classy way to handle it would have been to fire Gibson and Trammell in November shortly after the World Series was over.

I hope Gibson gets a job in the Dodgers organization where he belongs. Admittedly most of his playing years were with Detroit, but his career-defining moment occurred with the Dodgers.
09-27-2014, 01:02 PM
ToasterOven

I read that Gibson's extension kicks in if he makes it to the final game.
09-27-2014, 01:05 PM
Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

I read that Gibson's extension kicks in if he makes it to the final game.

Oh. Makes more sense, then.

On a side note, Mattingly was like days from being fired last year, and pretty much has Yasiel Puig and Hanley Ramirez to thank for keeping him employed.
09-27-2014, 02:29 PM
herbertstemple

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

I read that Gibson's extension kicks in if he makes it to the final game.

He got 2 more years if they hadn't fired him. They fired Trammel too, but he stayed to manage the last 3 games. That I don't get. If you don't want me any more, fuck you, I'm playing golf.
09-27-2014, 03:14 PM
WillieMcFML

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Cards are a 60.5% favorite this game and a 63.5% favorite for tomorrow. So Willie has about a 38.5% chance.

Not gonna lie, a win today would be preferred

:denied
09-27-2014, 03:24 PM
PLOL

You're a fool, Willie. And you will lose... everything.
http://youtu.be/Fu7Bqj8mLWw
09-27-2014, 03:39 PM
WillieMcFML

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhbhExed-OE
09-27-2014, 05:03 PM
simpdog

#teamPLOL
#teamPLOP
#goDBacks
#SORRYWILLIE

Event: St. Louis Cardinals @ Arizona Diamondbacks Bet: Money Line Selection: Arizona Diamondbacks (L.Lynn/W.Miley) Straight Bet +140 Cash Bet 250.00 CAD to win 350.00 CAD
09-27-2014, 06:57 PM
badbilly32

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Originally Posted by Hockey Guy

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Originally Posted by ToasterOven

I was attempting to add to your point, not refute it.

People just don't get how good Pedro was, most of the time.

I personally think Pedro Martinez was the GOAT. I was a huuuuuuuuuge Expos fan back in the day & might be slightly biased but he was almost unhittable.

greg maddux though
09-27-2014, 07:16 PM
Hockey Guy

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Originally Posted by badbilly32

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I personally think Pedro Martinez was the GOAT. I was a huuuuuuuuuge Expos fan back in the day & might be slightly biased but he was almost unhittable.

greg maddux though

Greg Maddux was a great pitcher & I'll never say anything different. Maddux got a lot of calls a couple inches off the plate from the umps because he was considered to have great control & he did. When he didn't get the calls & had to throw them over the plate he was hittable because he wasn't overpewering.

Pedro could throw it right over the middle & they couldn't hit it because it had so much movement. He also had the intimidation factor which is kinda funny because the guy only weighed 170 lbs.
09-27-2014, 07:38 PM
simpdog

Mark Trumbo homered (385 ft.) to deep left, A.J. Pollock and David Peralta scored.

#sorrywillie
09-27-2014, 07:44 PM
WillieMcFML

dieSimpdogdie.com coming soon
09-27-2014, 08:02 PM
simpdog

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dieSimpdogdie.com coming soon

3moreouts.com ready to go.
09-27-2014, 08:11 PM
WillieMcFML

I hate all of you I'm moving to mexico
09-27-2014, 10:29 PM
herbertstemple

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Originally Posted by badbilly32

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Originally Posted by Hockey Guy

I personally think Pedro Martinez was the GOAT. I was a huuuuuuuuuge Expos fan back in the day & might be slightly biased but he was almost unhittable.

greg maddux though

Bob Gibson
09-28-2014, 01:48 AM
WillieMcFML

plop stole

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