I like absurdity based humor a lot. Advertising network sitcoms in your signature is an inside joke...and retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by mackerdoodle jones
A thread titled "Simple '10 Step' Test Could Detect Knee Osteoarthritis"- I can't tell if that's an unsuccessful attempt at absurdity based humor, an inside joke, or just trolling.
LOL I'm not Been. Anyhow, I changed your avatar and your title. Enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by VwlsWOW really? It's so weird to me how people experience things so differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by mackerdoodle jones
On Skatz - just put my title back to what it was: I honestly don't remember the exact wording. I think it was something like "Queen of Skatz and only female member"... something along those lines. Something funny but not insulting. And obv change the pic to the FU lips or something. Let me know when you have fixed it.
BTW I always thought you did a bang-up job with the poker league, and not just because I picked you for the job. You were genuinely good at it. I also miss our avatar bets.
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Originally Posted by DirtyBI like absurdity based humor a lot. Advertising network sitcoms in your signature is an inside joke...and retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by mackerdoodle jones
A thread titled "Simple '10 Step' Test Could Detect Knee Osteoarthritis"- I can't tell if that's an unsuccessful attempt at absurdity based humor, an inside joke, or just trolling.
Here I wish I could answer DirtyB via rep and not clutter up a thread with a short and stupid reply but: we have a lot of day drinkers on skatz and you got me with me the Osteo Knee thingy....I believe that, technically, someone is 6th level trolling neverstop because of his knobby razorblade like knees.
Right I figured that out. Who are u?Quote:
Originally Posted by mackerdoodle jonesLOL I'm not Been. Anyhow, I changed your avatar and your title. Enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vwls
answer the question, china
wtf did you do with the cat?
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Originally Posted by Suicide King
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Originally Posted by rum dickQuote:
Originally Posted by Suicide King
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http://i.imgur.com/IS0BA6J.jpg
Free parko, neverstop!!!
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...tHa8ZTfyjizSYc
Seriously. Pay your bill for a month or two so that the rest of us can go back and save the awesomeness before it's deleted forever.
The posts I made on Boris78 were some of the best posts in the history of the internet. Everyone else was trash... I carried that site. I was also the Boris Othello champion when they offered games, I was the best at Othello and still am.
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Originally Posted by DirtyBI like absurdity based humor a lot. Advertising network sitcoms in your signature is an inside joke...and retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by mackerdoodle jones
A thread titled "Simple '10 Step' Test Could Detect Knee Osteoarthritis"- I can't tell if that's an unsuccessful attempt at absurdity based humor, an inside joke, or just trolling.
If you were referring to me and my sig, I'll have you know I appeared in Season 1 and 2. Hence the advertising.
The boris butterfly effect
Circa 1992 i went into a trading card shop with my school mate to buy some packets of Hoops cards.
The dude working there said to me hey you like like a young Boris Becker. The name stuck as an occasional nickname with some of my school mates.
A decade later circa 2002 i registered the boris domain for personal email, online storage etc
Another decade later it had spawned into a shitty poker forum for people disillusioned at another shitty poker forum.
A lot of people also forget that boris was started about a year before it became active. It was nothing but a ghost town, but it picked up a lot of steam in January, 2009 when people were disillusioned about both "The Carter" (a split of the main forum Shooting Off, which admittedly was a bad idea), and the firing of Vwls as mod.
This triggered a mass exodus where nearly every active poster on NWP went to Boris, and in fact there was pressure on Boris posters not to continue posting at NWP. At first I thought this might spell the end of NWP, but I realized that NWP would likely not ghost town, as new users would likely show up to replace the old ones. I still wasn't happy about it because we lost a lot of our best posters to Boris, and the n00bs that replaced them frankly weren't that good for the most part.
While I admit that I had a hand in The Carter decision (though it wasn't mine alone), the Vwls firing was done without my knowledge, and while we had privately talked about removing her as mod, I was pissed regarding the abrupt and callous matter it was done.
Anyway, Boris was actually an interesting situation, in that it played out again into people being disillusioned with the ownership there, and again there was an exodus to yet another site.
Basically, it's really hard to run a forum (especially a "free speech" type forum) without pissing certain people off and causing some kind of controversy/revolt/exodus.
One thing I've been proud of on PFA is the fact that, in the 26 months this site has existed, there has been almost no drama regarding rules or bannings. I also think I've done a much better job as an owner/mod here than I did at NWP/DD, but that was a matter of learning from experience. It's also a product of not having to bicker/fight with other owners about the direction or rules of the site.
Also, something you may also not remember is the fact that, at the time of the original January 2009 defection to Boris, I was mostly well-liked by the people leaving NWP. Micon was seen as the enemy, while I was generally described as a nice guy who just went along with some bad decisions.
I had a phone conversation with Micon, where we tried to come up with a strategy to get some of the Boris defectors back. I suggested that Micon appoint me as being fully in charge of the forums and that he should take a step back, basically putting the person seen as the "good guy" in charge, and thus perhaps encouraging some of the defectors to return. It seemed that many were boycotting NWP because of Micon personally, and I told Micon that they were likely to cool down if they returned to NWP and everything returned to normal. He agreed, so we did this.
Unfortunately, this didn't have the desired effect. Almost nobody returned to NWP, and the opinion of me quickly soured, especially after I banned users who stated on Boris that they were going to cock-bomb NWP, as well as removed links to Boris. At the same time, since I was now the one publicly in charge of the NWP forums and the face of attempting to thwart the Boris defection, the hate turned onto me, while the opinion of Micon improved over time (case of out of sight, out of mind).
As several months passed and it became clear that Boris was just a circle-jerk of friends that wasn't really appealing to the masses, I realized that the best course of action was just to ignore it. Eventually most of the bashing of me went away, and was replaced by the infighting that eventually destroyed the site, especially because people became angrier and angrier with the way neverstop was running the place.
The end.
I should also say that I quietly felt that early Boris had some really great threads and was far more entertaining than NWP. This is what worried me the most -- we lost our best and most creative posters. Obviously I didn't admit this on NWP, as the last thing I wanted was to make even more people run over there and never come back. I was fine with people posting on both forums, but I noticed the pressure on posters to boycott NWP, and figured that anyone becoming active on Boris would never come back to NWP.
As time passed, I found that Boris actually became boring, and was pretty much a repository of inside jokes and weird levels. While I'm sure this was entertaining to those actively involved, I found it boring at this point, and that's pretty much when I realized that it would get very few new users, while NWP/DD was a lot more "accessible" to n00bs.
One more Boris/NWP tidbit:
After Boris had been running for a few months and had been quite active, I had a conversation with Micon regarding Boris' threat to NWP.
I actually quoted Jewdonk's infamous statement of, "Boris is shitty website run by nobodies with no theme other than soviet era homoeroticism". I told him that Marty actually raised a great point with the "nobodies" and "no theme" statements, and that those two factors were the reason it would never get any kind of noticeable stream of new users.
I explained that, at the time, most of our new users were coming to NWP because they had heard of either me, Micon, or Dustin. Boris didn't have this. There were zero known or semi-known poker players posting on Boris, and indeed the site had no theme that was likely to attract the average poker fan/player.
I told Micon, "Basically, people in poker have no way to find Boris, and if they do, they won't recognize anyone, and will be confused by the theme and culture over there."
Micon agreed that this was likely true, but stated that he really wanted the old posters back. I told him that I did, too, but that we should just accept the fact that they were resisting our attempts to bring them back, stop trying, and hope that some return over time.
I vaguely remember browsing boris78.com, but I may be mistaken as I remember a blue theme.
Boris had that guy who won a WSOP event and was fucking(?) Toots. He didn't post often but we had him.
We also had a pre-scamming Ship who was an MTT beast.
I'm not saying there weren't any good poker players on Boris. Ship may have been a good player, but nobody knew him outside of the existing NWP crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by LLL
The guy who won the WSOP event (Justin Shronk's cousin) was a casual player who kind of came out of nowhere to win that bracelet. Even after that win, few people knew who he was, aside from big fans of poker. He also wasn't super-active on Boris, from what I remember.
I'm just saying that Boris did not have a factor which would lead people to discover it, nor was it at all welcoming to new users who weren't familiar with the culture of levels and inside jokes there. NWP, on the other hand, attracted a constant stream of new users who heard about the site because of its association with me, Dustin, or Micon, and then they would stay when reading a number of easily-understandable, general-interest topics.
This isn't so much a criticism of Boris, but just highlighting the difference between the two places. Once the Boris defection occurred, that site was probably more fun (at least for awhile), but NWP remained the place much more likely to get (and keep) new users.
Some of you probably remember Max Dreidel. He was one of NWP's best posters circa 2008-2009, and surprisingly never made it over to Boris.
I know there was an active attempt to recruit him, in which Max told Vwls privately that he quietly lurks on Boris, but really only wanted to be an active member on one forum, so he was going to stick with NWP.
You might also notice that MaxDreidel was active on DD all the way up until it became a ghost town, and then he just vanished. He never made it over to PFA, despite the fact that you won't find a shred of evidence that he and I disliked each other.
So why didn't he come to Boris, and why didn't he transfer over to PFA once DD died?
Only Max knows for sure, but I'm pretty certain that the reason is Martha.
Max and Martha struck up an e-friendship when the Lithuanians agreed to buy NWP shirts to give away, and Martha took orders from people. (These shirts were free to the userbase, as both the shirts and the shipping was paid by Pokernews.)
Martha needed Max's shirt size and address (sent privately), and from there, they ended up talking back and forth, becoming friends.
Martha never asked Max not to go over to Boris, but out of respect for her, he didn't. That's why he stayed at NWP and simply lurked on Boris.
Similarly, he probably wanted to follow the group over here after DD ghost-towned, but given the way things ended between me and Micon, likely also felt that would have been disrespectful to Martha.
I am not accusing Martha of telling him not to come here (or Boris), because I don't think that happened in either case. I think Max is just a very loyal guy, and decided that both Boris and PFA were "enemies" of the Micons.
I will give Max credit for staying out of the drama that occurred when I left DD (and the subsequent problems when PFA came up), and I always thought he was a great poster.
He's of course welcome to register and post here, but I doubt he ever will.
Yeah, because he was busy fucking Toots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI'm not saying there weren't any good poker players on Boris. Ship may have been a good player, but nobody knew him outside of the existing NWP crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by LLL
The guy who won the WSOP event (Justin Shronk's cousin) was a casual player who kind of came out of nowhere to win that bracelet. Even after that win, few people knew who he was, aside from big fans of poker. He also wasn't super-active on Boris, from what I remember.
I'm just saying that Boris did not have a factor which would lead people to discover it, nor was it at all welcoming to new users who weren't familiar with the culture of levels and inside jokes there. NWP, on the other hand, attracted a constant stream of new users who heard about the site because of its association with me, Dustin, or Micon, and then they would stay when reading a number of easily-understandable, general-interest topics.
This isn't so much a criticism of Boris, but just highlighting the difference between the two places. Once the Boris defection occurred, that site was probably more fun (at least for awhile), but NWP remained the place much more likely to get (and keep) new users.
Also, have any of sites welcomed new members without a little bit of skepticism or ribbing?
And I'm not sure new posters are the best idea. More often than not you wind up with guys like 6TP and Searles.
I think the humor was best at Boris. Lots of hilarious stories, good natured ribbing, trip reports, and photoshops.
There wasnt much of posters bashing each other and terrible posting.
Im sure Skats has its moments too, but Im not an IM guy, so Im out of the loop on the obscure humor over there. DD died to me once Micon starting acting like he was king over there and didnt respect his user base. He basically treated people like shit, then cried when we wouldnt come back.
MaxDreidel was/is GOD.
All I have from WOF now is a distant memory. Thanks Ian.
Nothing will ever beat the lolomon thread on boris.
Laughing about it now. Too bad my iPad submitted the rep before I could complete my thought.
Fun with n-words and Falconry will always hold a soft spot in my heart.
Also, my trip report to New Orleans with Floppy bot and Toots, where I got to bang his tall blond hot friend.
never forget
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Originally Posted by DRK Star
Steve is definitely tall but hot might be a stretch.
Max posted on boris occasionally (under a different name)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Can you reveal his screen name, or is that super-secret?Quote:
Originally Posted by phantomMax posted on boris occasionally (under a different name)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff