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Next the Spurs will trade Wembanyama for Lebron because theyre looking for some veteran leadership.
He’s the only dude who would be more shocking. I don’t think I have ever been more surprised by a trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
A 25 year old who lead the league in scoring last year, lead his team to the finals, is statistically a top 10 player all time in efficiency, and is on his way to being one of the most marketable athletes in the world for a 32 year old center who averages playing roughly 50 games a year - make it make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
https://x.com/espn/status/1885920796985495949
Even if he was trying to force way out only to Lakers, for this return, it still doesn’t make sense. You would never rush this. Like at minimum Deshaun Watson level shit, but more like multiple pending sexual assault allegations is like the only thing that would make this make sense given his value in an open market.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnPA 25 year old who lead the league in scoring last year, lead his team to the finals, is statistically a top 10 player all time in efficiency, and is on his way to being one of the most marketable athletes in the world for a 32 year old center who averages playing roughly 50 games a year - make it make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
https://x.com/espn/status/1885920796985495949
That’s not happening, but that’s what it would take for me to not want to burn the arena down if I’m a serious Mavs fan.
Word on the street is the Mavs just are sick of Luka. They were on the hook to pay him $345M next year, and they were frustrated that Luka comes in fat every training camp. They attribute his weight to his injuries. I can't stand the NBA, but every now and again I go to a game live when I get invited for free. Two years ago I attended a Mavs game, and Luka scored like 28 points, but he was laboring to get back and forth on the court. He also took plays off not even to attempt to hustle. Now that could have been an aberration, I don't know since the only time I watch an NBA game is if I have money on it. But if its a consistent theme I can see the GM thinking lets get what we can for the guy and move on. It's not like weight issues get better when you get older, its not unfathomable when his metabolism shuts down at age 30 he comes into camp 280 lbs. I think the Mavs probably think there are plenty of shooters in the NBA, and Anthony Davis could very well have a Kareem type career where he lasts until age 40. You can't teach height.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCREven if he was trying to force way out only to Lakers, for this return, it still doesn’t make sense. You would never rush this. Like at minimum Deshaun Watson level shit, but more like multiple pending sexual assault allegations is like the only thing that would make this make sense given his value in an open market.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnP
That’s not happening, but that’s what it would take for me to not want to burn the arena down if I’m a serious Mavs fan.
rofl davis peaked 5 years ago lol mark jewban
dallas plus 13 feels good like they are gonna play their ass off to show up my big fat show pony laker
This was what I read as well. The guy simply does not have a champions mindset. The celtics ran his ass into the ground last year. I would have thought they would have got more “upside” in the deal because davis or no this is the start of a rebuild.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullWord on the street is the Mavs just are sick of Luka. They were on the hook to pay him $345M next year, and they were frustrated that Luka comes in fat every training camp. They attribute his weight to his injuries. I can't stand the NBA, but every now and again I go to a game live when I get invited for free. Two years ago I attended a Mavs game, and Luka scored like 28 points, but he was laboring to get back and forth on the court. He also took plays off not even to attempt to hustle. Now that could have been an aberration, I don't know since the only time I watch an NBA game is if I have money on it. But if its a consistent theme I can see the GM thinking lets get what we can for the guy and move on. It's not like weight issues get better when you get older, its not unfathomable when his metabolism shuts down at age 30 he comes into camp 280 lbs. I think the Mavs probably think there are plenty of shooters in the NBA, and Anthony Davis could very well have a Kareem type career where he lasts until age 40. You can't teach height.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
I think there is some small amount of value in taking the eagles.Quote:
Originally Posted by rollinx420Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
what does this mean exactly? would you take eagles?
All the 100-1 + and 80-1 are long gone. Hopefully you were able to snag some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
Shit its 40-1 at BOL now.
Like i said - I dont make him the favorite but i could very easily see him near the top of the leaderboard over the weekend.
Agreed, Davis was probably though the best that was offered in the league. From what you read Luka is impossible to get along with. I am sure the Lakers feel Lebron can mentor him, and if he does he will be the face of the Lakers for 10 years. But I think the Mavs, either way said we are not going to give $345M to this guy. Attitude does matter, I mean the Browns are saddled with Deshaun Watson, it basically set the team back another 5 years. For whatever reason the Mavs said we need to jettison this guy. Some players just poison the locker room to the point you got to get rid of them. Antonio Brown, Trevor Bauer, John Rocker, etc.. I am quite sure there is plenty we don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by DalyThis was what I read as well. The guy simply does not have a champions mindset. The celtics ran his ass into the ground last year. I would have thought they would have got more “upside” in the deal because davis or no this is the start of a rebuild.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
lol at trying to spin this in any way other than the Mavs got absolutely fleeced. They didn’t even make it known Luka was available.
Old ass KD netted Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, and 4 unprotected firsts and a pick swap.
A year later Mikal Bridges somehow netted 5 1sts in a trade.
Say what you want about Luka’s conditioning and attitude but he’s a generational talent and only 25.
The Mavs could’ve gotten a way better haul had they made it known he was available.
It’s an insane trade that is malpractice at best and collusion at worst.
daaaaaaang
Yeah this is insanity. First off, Luka fat is an alpha dog. 5 first team all NBA selections and lead lesser teams to the WCF then Finals by 24. He hits the big shot. Is the best player on the floor almost always. The out of shape thing has to change, but an in shape AD has always been far more injury plagued. Of course the Celtics ran him off the floor, they have the 2-6 best players in the series and depth. That was a years long project. Luka had the Mavs already to the point the Celtics were like 3 years ago before they added Porzingis and Jrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheesfaced
AD has averaged 50 games a year for his career. He has played over 65 games once in 6 years. That he has played well and been healthy recently is pure recency bias. Plus he is a pure beta. As the first option, his team was play in material. Way too laid back and quiet to ever be a leader of any sort. I never heard a word about Luka being a bad teammate. This is the first period of Kyrie stability in forever since he's been playing with Luka. If you're a stats guy, everything runs through him so that might be a little frustrating, but I have never heard he's an ass. And it's not like Luka is Zion, his game is by nature an old mans game. He doesn't rely on athleticism. He will drop 20 lbs like he has multiple times already and be elite for a dozen years. It is the worst trade I have ever seen. It would be horrible if AD himself was also 25, but on the wrong side of 30, unthinkable.
They did not want to pay him $345M over 5 years. It does not get any more involved than that. The Mavs obviously wanted to get rid of him. They are not stupid, they probably were sick of him for whatever reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheesfaced
Everyone is getting that money, many who will be worthless for last 2 years. Luka locked down on that contract is worth even more. It makes him available to trade to any team. The offers would be things we have never seen. The Mavs are historically stupid. They hired the worst coach available to drive a ferrari. I love you, but you're not an NBA guy. Having 1 of 5 or 6 guys is all that matters. He is one of those guys and will be for a long time. AD isn't close. He never has and never will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullThey did not want to pay him $345M over 5 years. It does not get any more involved than that. The Mavs obviously wanted to get rid of him. They are not stupid, they probably were sick of him for whatever reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheesfaced
You are correct, I am no NBA guy, that is certain. But I do have common sense. It's not like the team decided to degrade their team for no reason. You are not in the locker room, and my point is this might and probably is not as one sided as you think. I remember when everyone in the baseball world blasted the St Louis Cardinals for letting Albert Pujols sign with the Angles. His career went into steep decline shortly thereafter and the Cardinals won a another couple rings. Someone in that front office thinks he is in decline. Physically, personally, mentally, etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by BCREveryone is getting that money, many who will be worthless for last 2 years. Luka locked down on that contract is worth even more. It makes him available to trade to any team. The offers would be things we have never seen. The Mavs are historically stupid. They hired the worst coach available to drive a ferrari. I love you, but you're not an NBA guy. Having 1 of 5 or 6 guys is all that matters. He is one of those guys and will be for a long time. AD isn't close. He never has and never will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
At a time when everyone is calling anything DEI mistakes, if there is ever a DEI mistake, Cuban hiring Kidd and this Nico Harrison, a shoe rep for Nike who famously called Steph Curry Seth and then showed him a video for Durant costing them a zillion dollars when he dropped them and went with UA is an example of bad DEI/inside baseball hires. Bucks win championship the minute they ditch Kidd. Luka carried marginal players because he's that good. You can't compare NBA to any other team sport. Ohtani on Angels guaranteed nothing. Even with Trout also. One great top 3-5 player in the NBA is enough to get you to the conference finals. They elevate everyone.,Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullYou are correct, I am no NBA guy, that is certain. But I do have common sense. It's not like the team decided to degrade their team for no reason. You are not in the locker room, and my point is this might and probably is not as one sided as you think. I remember when everyone in the baseball world blasted the St Louis Cardinals for letting Albert Pujols sign with the Angles. His career went into steep decline shortly thereafter and the Cardinals won a another couple rings. Someone in that front office thinks he is in decline. Physically, personally, mentally, etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
The thing is Tgull even if the Mavs had some inside information (maybe he has a degenerative health condition, maybe he has been sexually assaulting masseuses, maybe he’s been murdering people like Aaron Hernandez) that led them to the conclusion they have to trade him they still didn’t get even remotely close to max value for him. It’s indefensible no matter the spin or reason.
Plus AD makes 54 next year, 58.5 next year, and 62.7 million the next 3 years as an oft injured player hitting mid thirties. Then you have to give him some contract as large as Luka where he will be worthless at the end or else you traded away the future for nothing. He isn't Kareem with a sky hook. He's a 6'10 big man dunker with an average jump shot. He is very good and they might be good this year, but that team was entirely constructed around Luka. It will be a good defense, but no spacing on offense. Luka is a 6'7 kid who can play anything from PG to SF. For next season. Luka is 10 million cheaper. It reeks of some type of collusion beyond any personality thing or the dumbest thing I have ever seen.
Russillo on the Simmons podcast said it best last night when they were talking the conditioning issues, "I don't care if he's smoking a cigarette while bringing the ball up the court, HE'S A TOP 4 PLAYER IN THE WORLD."
Not too rehash much of what BCR said already, but the division between Luka and AD, in the reality of the NBA, is a much bigger gulf than people think. Nico must owe pelinka a favor from the past. The Lakers had 3 1sts they could trade....Dallas could only get 1???? You cant convince me that Pelinka drew a hard line in the sand on that issue.
Even more insulting is the Mavs SENT a 2nd rounder to Utah to help facilitate LMAO.
Speaking of, hat tip to Ainge, always a master at extracting value. For the price of taking the rest of Hood-Schifino's rookie deal, he gets two more 2nd rounders.
https://youtu.be/idSngb_X5nQ?si=QBT2p7M5Fj4NqNE0Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
Cliffs: jews
https://x.com/MichaelJBier/status/1885929182649004072
His conditioning was so bad last year that he did this to the Timberwolves and lead the playoffs in every single meaningful statistical category. 25 years old. I was in Minnesota for those games and watched I think every one out at some bar or restaurant, even the rival fans were in awe of a chubby white dude destroying them. Any sane GM would have sold the proverbial farm for Luka. Historically, elite basketball players don't even enter their peak until their late 20s. The conditioning is a discipline issue, have the kid see a sports psychologist and assign him a full time trainer/dietician for fucks sake. North and East Texas fans are unkind and unforgiving. Even if they somehow make it to the finals and get past Boston this year, it likely still won't be enough. This completely ruins the public perception and image of the team.
https://x.com/In7amous/status/1886137209146818764
I was looking at tickets just a week or two ago, and for sure was going yo try and catch a home game from good seats, possibly even a couple more if they were set to do well in the playoffs. Now, meh, likely never again. I imagine most Mavs fans feel the same way. Thankfully the Spurs exist.
https://x.com/BleacherReport/status/1886153555649744915
The end result of people like this who fail upwards. What a fucking idiot.
In the above clip, he explains how he didn't even let Kidd know while sitting next to him. This seems almost like intentional sabotage or working on behalf of the Lakers it's so bad.
Luka's professional debut started when he was only 16 (2015) in the European League, playing against grown men, his dad played in the Euro League too along with coaching, i think this is why Luka does very well in NBA... he learned at a young age how to create space for his jumpers, he learned the proper angles when cutting to the basket with and without the ball, he had to learn good and proper fundamentals to gain an advantage against grown men at a young age , Luka is definitely not the most athletic but boy are his fundamentals off the charts...
Luka said it's easier to score in the NBA rather than the Euro League...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKVHSw6OZxg
https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1886159773722103937Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
They were down 91-46 at the half.
https://x.com/CarmichaelDave/status/1886064702020546699
The Curry shoe deal and botch from Nike has turned into a legendary tale over the years - guess which moron was behind it?
rofl WE STILL GOT SOME CLOCK LEFT WE GOT THIS
druff embed that for me you peasant it should literally be an automatic emoji in this place
Well, this Doncic/Davis trade is really bizarre in so many ways.
Luka Doncic was NOT told about it in advance, and reportedly learned about it while at dinner.
Lebron James, who has been considered the Lakers' de facto GM, was also left out of the loop, and only found out after the deal was done.
Anthony Davis was told, but only because he needed to waive a no-trade clause, which he did. But he kept it quiet, even from (supposed) friend Lebron.
It is not clear what the Mavericks are doing. Davis is 32, extremely injury prone, and never been able to lead any team to victory. He has spurts of greatness, but then either gets hurt or is ineffective. Doncic is 26, was believed to be a Maverick for life, and now is destined to be the face of the Lakers for many years to come. Lebron, while still very effective, is 40 and can only last a short time before it will be over.
Doncic is reportedly bitter about the way the trade went down. It's not clear if he's also unhappy about going to the Lakers, or if he's just pissed he was cut out of the loop.
Also, Doncic was going to be eligible for a 5 year $345m supermax contract at the end of this season, but now won't be eligible for 2 more years. That, perhaps, is why he's angry.
Most people believe it to be a win for the Lakers, but there are some questions about Doncic's conditioning and weight. At only 6'6", he's 270 pounds, the seventh heaviest player in the league. Unlike a player like Shaq, whose size was part of his effectiveness, Doncic is not supposed to be this big, and put on 40 during the offseason. This was reportedly the #1 concern for the Mavericks, who grew frustrated with what was seen as poor conditioning and work ethic.
Is is possible Doncic will be one of those "could've been Hall of Fame" players whose weight and injury issues keep him from making a real impact? Yes.
But I don't see Davis bringing the Mavs anywhere, and keep in mind they went to the Finals last year with Doncic.
So I still don't get it.
Dallas GM Nico Harrison has known Davis from when Harrison worked at Nike, and the two always liked each other a lot. So perhaps this was just a matter of Harrison wanting Davis to play on his squad, and he felt he needed to give up Doncic to get it.
Haralabob has a surprising take on this.
I thought he might be quiet about the trade, given the reports of friction between him and Doncic during Bob's time with the Mavericks.
This would seem to vindicate Haralabob, as it seems the entire Mavericks organization got tired of Doncic, and let him go despite his massive talent (and young age).
However, here's what Haralabob had to say on X:
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This will go down as one of (Probably THE) worst trades in the history of Sports. You just traded away a top 3 player in the prime of his career and your return was a single first and a soon to be 32 year old Anthony Davis. The fact that you threw in a 2nd for good measure is just *chefs kiss*
The Nets got 4 unprotected firsts + a pick swap plus Johnson and Bridges who they later traded for FIVE FIRSTS and a pick swap for KD who was 34 at the time of that trade.
The Mavs had a top 3 defense last season after the deadline trades and then lost in the Finals to one of if not the greatest offensive teams in NBA History in the Celtics.
If you think defense wins championships and you want to be 3 Centers Deep on your roster - and play AD at the 4 while forcing PJ to guard 3s, Klay to guard 2s and Kyrie to guard 1s good luck with that.
The Mavs now have one player on their roster who can create a a shot for himself or for others in Kyrie and he's about to turn 33.
The only other thing I'll add to this is Dennis Lindsey was with the Mavs last year and is a great basketball mind.
He left to work for the Pistons this season. Do with that what you will.
The funniest thing in all of this was thanking Pelinka for agreeing to keep things quiet and not sharing the idea of a trade with anyone - of course he wanted to keep it quiet, the last thing he wanted was for someone at the Mavs with a brain to find out and nix it - or for god forbid it leaks and other teams started offering realistic packages.
Pelinka cooked.
He's right about Pelinka.
Pelinka kept quiet about it for the same reason casino advantage players keep things quiet when they find a monster play. Once the word gets out, you're fucked.
Anyway, from the above statement, you'd never think he and Doncic ever had issues. Maybe they didn't, and the media was overblowing it. I know Bob denied it at the time.
Oh... by the way. Bob and I are what I'd consider friendly acquaintances. We follow each other on Twitter, interact sometimes, and have DM'd on occasion. We aren't friends, but we get along well enough, and there's a chance I could get him on radio, if there's interest, which I assume there would be.
todge shutup there is a laker whos as tall and as fat as you this is a miracle
like im equally fine if luka turns into like 300 pound charles barkley just getting high and eating in la this is gonna be so fun
There is no justification for what just happened. People keep saying Luka is in the peak of his career, again historically for players of his talent and skill level this is not true - he's not yet 26. We may not have even seen anywhere near his ceiling. Players like him that depend less on athleticism and more on skill, IQ, and shot creating ability don't tend to enter their peaks until their later 20s and can keep that effectiveness into their 30s. This shows again how ridiculous it is to use conditioning as an excuse. He's a filthy rich 25 year old that can still grow up and learn discipline. There has never been a dumber move in modern American sports. What kind of fucking moron negotiates something like this with one team? Does a reasonably intelligent person even negotiate things like lawn care with one landscaping company? Again, refer to the other thread - this is the same schmo that famously botched the Nike/Curry shoe deal which heavily contributed to Under Armor establishing themselves as a premium brand among youth and young adults. Even if somehow they win a title this year, and that's clearly a huge "if" - this prick will go down as an all time jackass in the history of basketball. Dumont and Rick Welts allowing this is unbelievable.
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• After peaking in 2016-2017, Under Armour struggled to maintain momentum, partly due to Nike regaining control of the market and UA’s missteps in design and marketing.
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Final Verdict
Yes, signing Curry was one of Under Armour’s best moves ever, giving them credibility in basketball. While they couldn’t fully dethrone Nike, Curry’s brand influence still keeps them relevant today.
shutup walter
There is some belief that Lebron, one of the best conditioned players of all time (look at him at 40), will have an influence on Doncic and help him get into shape. Some believe that Lebron is one of the few players Doncic might listen to, regarding changing things up.
But it's not like Doncic and Lebron are best buds, and it's not like it was engineered the way Davis to the Lakers was.
This blindsided both guys, and they might not even want to play together.
Funny enough, the reverse of this situation is what caused Shaq to leave the Lakers. Kobe was obsessed with conditioning. Shaq loved eating, rapping, playing cop, and being part of Hollywood. Shaq wanted no part of a disciplined conditioning program. He was fine weighing around 400 pounds, and using his massive size and strength to dominate in the paint. Kobe was pissed off, as he increasingly saw the Lakers as his team, and felt Shaq was holding back the team's potential by letting himself be fat and out of shape. Eventually they clashed enough to where Shaq was traded for the 04-05 season, especially after the Lakers got outplayed by Detroit in the Finals.
So 20 years ago the Lakers shipped out a great player because of being a fatass, and now they're acquiring a fatass from another team who was shipped out for the same reason.