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BREAKING: The head of the Texas Department of Public Safety confirms that the 18-year-old gunman entered Robb Elementary School through a door that a teacher had propped open just minutes before.
Yeaahhhh….
Officials just said that a decision was made to not break into the classroom because the officers on site believed there was no longer an active shooting situation, even though children were calling 911 at the time pleading for officers to come and save them.
Yeeaahhhh…
Even the right is shitting all over the police today.
Either completely incompetent or outright cowardice. Tough look for the 'good guy with a gun' argument.
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Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
Same thing unfolded here in Florida. It took 1-2 days for people to start to ask questions and then it all came apart.
“We needed to have police on site to protect our kids”
“What do you mean there was a full time police there”
“What do you mean he hung out in the parking lot and did nothing”
“What do you mean he admitted to wanting an easy job for his last 2-3 years before retirement and didn’t want to put his life in the line”
Union stepped in and made him take leave almost immediately and if memory serves he retired rather then face any music. Easy for me to say as I’m not a sworn officer of the law nor have I pledged my life to save the public….. but this is cowardice of the highest order.
IT'S ALL A RUSE TO MAKE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO LOOK INCOMPETENT TO USHER IN A NEW WEF WORLD POLICE FORCEQuote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
I think the right abandoned the police when they stood idly by while human pieces of garbage burned down our cities two years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
As a complete outsider who is from Europe and live in Asia. It seems completely wild all you guys want to have guns. Why is it good that everyone should have the right to a gun?
Obviously shooting as a sport or stuff like that is different but I'm speaking about having guns in everyday life that lead to them become the biggest cause of death to your kids
If I was a single mother who worked a late shift and lived in an American inner city (aka a complete shit hole) where the police don’t care about protecting the citizens, I could think of a reason to have a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by band_user
But I’m not and I don’t own a gun.
Yeah i get that...... when we are in a race to the bottom and everyone has guns and there are too many already so we all need to have them etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by devideeIf I was a single mother who worked a late shift and lived in an American inner city (aka a complete shit hole) where the police don’t care about protecting the citizens, I could think of a reason to have a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by band_user
But I’m not and I don’t own a gun.
These are terrible reasons from a failed society though. Pathetic stuff
Oh, it’s definitely a dystopian hellscape.Quote:
Originally Posted by band_user
Here’s the thing, you could ban all guns today and prohibit any more from ever being made but there would still be more guns than people in the US.
I have yet to hear anyone provide a solution on how to “disarm” the American public.
Disarming the paranoid fearful American public is not the issue. It's simply the availability of weapons of mass destruction and the utter lack of regulations required to own them.Quote:
Originally Posted by devideeOh, it’s definitely a dystopian hellscape.Quote:
Originally Posted by band_user
Here’s the thing, you could ban all guns today and prohibit any more from ever being made but there would still be more guns than people in the US.
I have yet to hear anyone provide a solution on how to “disarm” the American public.
Children's lives wasted on a regular basis for your God given rignts.
If zero guns were available to purchase, there would still be more guns than people in the US. Guns already legally owned. What regulations do you suggest for guns already legally owned?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesDisarming the paranoid fearful American public is not the issue. It's simply the availability of weapons of mass destruction and the utter lack of regulations required to own them.Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
Children's lives wasted on a regular basis for your God given rignts.
LOL at Dedidee, just a sheep, w/his Fox "news" propaganda talking points,
Why ban abortions and books that talk about Slavery, then?
people are still going to get them, right?
& to any other asshole who thinks getting drunk and shooting cans after work is more important than children's lives,
why does this only happen in America?
Anytime any of these GOP gets out of the Fox "news" bubble just pound them w/that question.
Every other country has evil, mental illness, and video games. It seems like the new one people who grew up w/out dads.
They have that, too, they simply can't get WOP as easy as in America
If guns are so great, why is the NRA banning them?
Wouldn't it just be safer if everyone was packing?
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Originally Posted by devidee
Jimmy, my counter to your "why does this only happen in America" argument:
Why didn't this happen prior to the late 1990s?
There were already a shitload of guns in the country at that point. Why didn't I have to worry about mass shootings in school when I was there in the 1980s?
Devidee is raising some good points here. What solution do you propose to make the problem go away?
You’re arguing against a strawman and sound mentally unstable. Hope you don’t own a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415LOL at Dedidee, just a sheep, w/his Fox "news" propaganda talking points,
Why ban abortions and books that talk about Slavery, then?
people are still going to get them, right?
& to any other asshole who thinks getting drunk and shooting cans after work is more important than children's lives,
why does this only happen in America?
Anytime any of these GOP gets out of the Fox "news" bubble just pound them w/that question.
Every other country has evil, mental illness, and video games. It seems like the new one people who grew up w/out dads.
They have that, too, they simply can't get WOP as easy as in America
If guns are so great, why is the NRA banning them?
Wouldn't it just be safer if everyone was packing?
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Originally Posted by devidee
Good points? Please. The need for semi automatic weapons as a form of self defence is ludicrous as is their use in hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The lack of regulations aimed at owning semi-automatic AR-15 type weapons is your problem.
Oh, and for the why does this only happen in the US argument; the US doesn’t even crack the top ten of western nations:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe)
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
I never made that argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesGood points? Please. The need for semi automatic weapons as a form of self defence is ludicrous as is their use in hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The lack of regulations aimed at owning semi-automatic AR-15 type weapons is your problem.
I simply asked what is the solution for the already legally owned guns in the US? Guns that outnumber people.
The immediate argument is not to disarm all you frightened people. It is to take a step in the right direction andQuote:
Originally Posted by devideeI never made that argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
I simply asked what is the solution for the already legally owned guns in the US? Guns that outnumber people.
restrict, through tight regulations, the common denominator in the mass shooting fad, which is the semi automatic rifle.
Try it and see who is negatively affected.
Ok. And there are around 25 million legally owned AR15s in the US today. Not to mention the millions of other rifles. How do you address that problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesThe immediate argument is not to disarm all you frightened people. It is to take a step in the right direction andQuote:
Originally Posted by devidee
restrict, through tight regulations, the common denominator in the mass shooting fad, which is the semi automatic rifle.
Try it and see who is negatively affected.
A) Begin with strict legal requirments for new owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by devideeOk. And there are around 25 million legally owned AR15s in the US today. Not to mention the millions of other rifles. How do you address that problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
B) Enact legislation requiring all current owners to register.
C) Enact legislation levying severe penalties for unregistered ownership.
They can follow the guidelines and penalties used in the War on Drugs effort.
And when they don’t? How would you know who even owns a gun?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesA) Begin with strict legal requirments for new owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
B) Enact legislation requiring all current owners to register.
C) Enact legislation levying severe penalties for unregistered ownership.
They can follow the guidelines and penalties used in the War on Drugs effort.
Paid informants as in muh Russia, obv.Quote:
Originally Posted by devideeAnd when they don’t? How would you know who even owns a gun?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
The availability of these weapons is the problem. Much like the drug culture you need dealers. Gun dealers are
legally selling their killing machines as if they were sofas.
Also, who do you think you're kidding?
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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
log off moron
It was nice to see Beto Orourke get his shit pushed in. You just know he thought he was going to give a historic speech like Obama's convention speech. Nope those Sheriff's shut his ass down haha.
Don't tell the white people but there's been a major overhaul to the asylum seeking process. To make a long story short, the border is officially open, i like how they're claiming it will lead to faster deportations.
The truth is they're going to be waving in people from the third world as fast as humanly possible, the flood gates are open.
If Africa gets hit by these grain shortages you just know we'll relocate half the continent here, i'm not saying that's the plan or anything but it will be just in time for the streamlined asylum process haha.
Lets get back to the important topic(s). Should schools have sex education? LOL NO! That leads to nothing but (checks notes) wokeness and wanting to turn cherished bathrooms into multi-gendered free for alls.
However mass shooter drills are super duper important, no not just because companies like ALICE are highly profitable, its about education! Sure it can be very traumatic to play dead, have all kinds of noise and sirens going off while telling children to just be quiet and hide. Or to have a peer outside of a locked door but not let them in, potentially leaving them to *die*, but its all educational.
Have you heard about bulletproof backpacks?? If we reduce school gun violence who is gonna want to purchase such a useful item? I swear all these liberals wanna do is let hard working companies go out of business.
I didn't see it so it must not have happened:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._(before_2000)
Druff stop it with this tin foil hat crap. You're trying to turn a bunch of kids dying into a left vs right thing when it was never that. It's about guns. It was never about race at any shooting, it was about guns. Just because you think the left hates your pew pew sticks and the right is "good guys with guns", doesn't make this political. It's a gun problem. Also you're using the damn car argument, which gets shut down in any debate where the average iq is above 50.
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Many Americans are quick to proclaim the "slippery slope" theory regarding gun control in the face of another societal catastrophe.
The idea that elected officials could possibly tread on constitutional rights is somehow abhorrent to some. These constitutional rights, which some hold so dear, were drafted in the times of the Salem witch trials.
The constitutional rights allowing the right to bear arms somehow do not translate to the right to ingest certain plants, nor the right to ignore income tax.
Any arguments pro the right to bear weapons of mass destruction, are myopic and hypocritical.
How is the car argument "shut down"? I'm not talking about car accident deaths versus shooting deaths. I'm saying that someone who wants to kill multiple children (or adults, for that matter) can use their car to do so. We've seen several examples of this over the last few years, especially in countries where there is gun control.Quote:
Originally Posted by anonamooseI didn't see it so it must not have happened:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._(before_2000)
Druff stop it with this tin foil hat crap. You're trying to turn a bunch of kids dying into a left vs right thing when it was never that. It's about guns. It was never about race at any shooting, it was about guns. Just because you think the left hates your pew pew sticks and the right is "good guys with guns", doesn't make this political. It's a gun problem. Also you're using the damn car argument, which gets shut down in any debate where the average iq is above 50.
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You say "it's about guns". Okay, what's your solution? And since the solution is supposedly coming from the left, how can the right trust that any concessions on their part won't lead to idiotic further gun control laws down the line?
Remember, for a few years (recently) in California, it was illegal to own a handgun with more than 10 rounds. That's the type of dumb shit this will evolve into if we let the left steer the gun control ship.
This is truly idiotic thinking. To be so politically consumed is an illness or a mental defect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffHow is the car argument "shut down"? I'm not talking about car accident deaths versus shooting deaths. I'm saying that someone who wants to kill multiple children (or adults, for that matter) can use their car to do so. We've seen several examples of this over the last few years, especially in countries where there is gun control.Quote:
Originally Posted by anonamoose
You say "it's about guns". Okay, what's your solution? And since the solution is supposedly coming from the left, how can the right trust that any concessions on their part won't lead to idiotic further gun control laws down the line?
Remember, for a few years (recently) in California, it was illegal to own a handgun with more than 10 rounds. That's the type of dumb shit this will evolve into if we let the left steer the gun control ship.
The solution starts with the first step as is the case with every endeavour. To proclaim the goal is unattainable is defeatist and unacceptable.
Regarding mass school shootings when I was a student, let's look at the link you posted.
I entered elementary school in September 1977, and graduated high school in June 1990 -- 13 school years.
Let's look at the school shootings in that time period which resulted in more than 2 deaths and/or 8 injuries:
- January 29, 1979, San Diego, 2 dead, 9 injured. A 16-year-old female shooter opened fire on an elementary school from across the street.
- February 1984, Los Angeles, 3 dead, 12 injured. A shooter was firing at students leaving school (so this technically wasn't a shooting at school, but we will ignore that), and then shot himself dead.
- November 1985, Spanaway, WA, 3 dead, 0 injured. A crazy 14-year-old chick killed her ex-boyfriend and his buddy, and then killed herself. Doesn't count as a mass shooting, as this was a targeted murder.
- September 1988, Greenwood, SC, 2 dead, 9 injured. A 19-year-old entered an elementary school and started firing.
- January 1989, Stockton, CA, 6 dead, 32 injured. A 24-year-old man with a history of violence went into an elementary school and started firing, before killing himself.
Taking away the 1985 incident (which wasn't a mass shooting, as I stated), there were only 4 school shootings with more than 2 deaths or 8 injuries, across the entire US during my 13 years in school.
It should also be pointed out that the criminal incident causing the most injury in schools during those years didn't involve shooting -- it involved a bomb. In 1986, in Wyoming, a middle-aged couple took an elementary school hostage, and brought a bomb with them. The wife accidentally detonated the bomb, injuring herself and 73 students! The husband then shot her dead, shot and wounded a teacher, and shot himself dead. The bomb was obviously the thing doing the real damage here -- far more than the gun violence at the end (where only one was injured besides the two perpetrators).
These killers put time and planning into their crimes. If they can't do it with a gun, they will find some other way.
Re: your last point, why are hand grenades illegal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Dumber than I had imagined.
Coming soon?
There is no reason to allow an 18 year old kid to buy an assault rifle on his birthday.....full stop. The slippery slope argument is ridiculous. Comparing an AR-15 assault rifle to a hand gun is like comparing a tank to a pea shooter.