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Originally Posted by Entropy
Supposedly this is all true but i haven't personally verified it. Also there's mention of some people quitting because of gun safety issues.
Incredible coincidences ftw.
Imo
If Baldwin was a rabid Trumptard he might be charged, since he's the opposite he's safe from criminal charges.
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Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Depends upon your jurisdiction. It is highly unlikely that you would be charged with a Criminal offense. However, you can be held liable and subject to Civil remedies including monetary damages. That's why you have insurance and require all independent contractors you hire t have insurance as well.
Alec Baldwin hasn’t been on the set of a lot of gun-heavy action films. And certainly not anytime recently given the kind of roles he’s been in. So, I don’t know how familiar he would be with the usual gun safety protocols on movie sets these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
And we don’t know his role as an executive producer was on this movie, and how much he was involved in the staffing and hiring decisions related to on-set gun safety. From the details provided in an LA Times article featuring a veteran propmaster who was approached for the job on this movie who ultimately turned down the job over safety concerns driven by the producers’ super low budget for the prop department, it’s not obvious what role Baldwin had in those decisions.
Veteran prop master turned down ‘Rust’ film: ‘An accident waiting to happen’
Neal W. Zoromski has worked on movies big and small. But dealing with producers of “Rust” gave him “a bad feeling.”
https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ting-to-happen
She’d still be alive on a union set.
Uh, oh .. shots fired
If I'm going to go all tinfoil hat here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
What if one of the disgruntled workers who previously walked off set planted the live round in the chamber knowing the propmasters were so incompetent that it wouldn't be checked out before use during the filming?
That was my first thought but the set was an absolute clusterfuck. Crew were recreationally shooting the vintage guns, there was no control over access, and there was no separation of blanks and live ammo. All safety protocols were ignored. The armourer was incompetent as was the assistant director supposedly in charge of double-checking the gun wasn't loaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by go_buccos
The non-union set is a pretty big deal here, and it's not because I'm trying to be pro-union.
Sadly, in the entertainment industry, the unions are so strong that all the competent peole are in the union out of necessity. So those who aren't union tend to be the lesser skilled ones, and you get situations like these.
Think of the 1995 baseball season. Players were on strike, and the '95 spring training featured non-union replacement players. These players were not good. Almost none of them were Major League caliber -- not because they were non-union, but because the good ones were loyal to the union out of necessity.
While this is true - more skilled and better trained tradesmen exist on the union side…. the biggest reason actually is that union workers have zero incentive to tolerate safety issues. A safety complaint will be fully and quickly supported by the union if it’s remotely legitimate. Production stops and the situation corrected or the movie is finished. The producers have no options. They certainly aren’t hiring replacement workers more willing to risk safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I was leaning angry workers being behind the shooting but the more I read this was a shit show of stupidity and incompetence without compare.
I’d like to see someone punished here but that’s not how justice works.
Exactly. For example, two of the crew, unnamed mind you, told the police that that particular gun was used for unofficial target shooting (“plinking”) earlier in the day with legit ammo. That’s definitely a hug no-no on a normal union-peopled set.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarWhile this is true - more skilled and better trained tradesmen exist on the union side…. the biggest reason actually is that union workers have zero incentive to tolerate safety issues. A safety complaint will be fully and quickly supported by the union if it’s remotely legitimate. Production stops and the situation corrected or the movie is finished. The producers have no options. They certainly aren’t hiring replacement workers more willing to risk safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I was leaning angry workers being behind the shooting but the more I read this was a shit show of incompetence without compare.
I’d like to see someone punished here but that’s not how justice works.
And on a normal union-peopled set, ONLY the armorer is supposed to hand guns to used as props to the actors. But on this set, the propmaster was also acting as the armorer and probably doing stuff to get the set ready for shooting a scene. So the AD broke safety protocol to save time by picking up a gun from the gun prop table and handing it to Baldwin and yelled “cold gun” to signal to all within earshot that the gun was unloaded.
Also, on normal movie sets, actors aren’t supposed to check the weapons they are handed to see if they are actually cold. That’s the job of the armorer, who is supposed to be expert in that matter.
To be frank, I am hoping the authorities charge the AD, Halls, with criminally negligent homicide, as he is the primary production person in this case who handed Baldwin a loaded gun and told him that it was safe to use. And because actors are conditioned by experience to follow normal job activity protocols re gun safety, Baldwin would not normally be expected to check the weapon himself before using it when told by a production authority that it was safe to use.
Mind you, as an executive producer on the project, Baldwin almost certaintly faces civil liability risk in the event the cinematographer’s family sues the producers for damages in a wrongful death suit, but I don’t think there’s a case for criminal negligence on the part of the Baldwin even though he fired the gun that caused a death.
Wondering what actual lawyers on this forum think about this matter. Care to chime in, Jayjami?
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Too Soon?
If one was going to go conspiracy theory the more logical one would be that she was next lined up to do an expose film on pedophilia in Hollywood. (This was confirmed her next project was indeed the pedophilia expose)Quote:
Originally Posted by ShawnFanningsLimpDickThat was my first thought but the set was an absolute clusterfuck. Crew were recreationally shooting the vintage guns, there was no control over access, and there was no separation of blanks and live ammo. All safety protocols were ignored. The armourer was incompetent as was the assistant director supposedly in charge of double-checking the gun wasn't loaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by go_buccos
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Originally Posted by ftpjesusIf one was going to go conspiracy theory the more logical one would be that she was next lined up to do an expose film on pedophilia in Hollywood. (This was confirmed her next project was indeed the pedophilia expose)Quote:
Originally Posted by ShawnFanningsLimpDick
You are the dumbest motherfucker on the site, and that’s an amazing accomplishment here. That was made up on a site with a template designed to literally create fake news, that describes itself as a prank news site, and then picked up by sources that cater to actual retards, like yourself.
The QAnon/Facebook element of PFA has a powerful magnetic attraction to pedophilia. The mere mention of the subject. So easily baited.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRQuote:
Originally Posted by ftpjesus
You are the dumbest motherfucker on the site, and that’s an amazing accomplishment here. That was made up on a site with a template designed to literally create fake news, that describes itself as a prank news site, and then picked up by sources that cater to actual retards, like yourself.
Remember Druff’s strange friend lawnmower man? If you had to take a drink every time he said “pedophile” you’d never make it to lunchtime.
They remind me of reformed smokers or new vegans. Gotta preach.
How it first happened, as I watched it in real time, was they infiltrated the mothers groups on social media. Lot of articles and studies about the right wing obsession with pedophiles, but watching it is scarier.. They did this even before the pandemic. I’d say 2017 or 2018. Google white vans hysteria. I was spending a lot of time in the country then and it was driving me crazy as it was so idiotic. You’d have whole communities of hillbillies with a few thousand people in each little town absolutely convinced there was a rash of kids getting grabbed in stranger abductions from off the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarThe QAnon/Facebook element of PFA has a powerful magnetic attraction to pedophilia. The mere mention of the subject. So easily baited.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
Remember Druff’s strange friend lawnmower man? If you had to take a drink every time he said “pedophile” you’d never make it to lunchtime.
They remind me of reformed smokers or new vegans. Gotta preach.
They were amazingly convinced Trump, of all fucking people, was fighting off these pedophile rings. If you’d point out you mean pussy grabber Trump? The walk backstage at teen pageants while they’re changing Trump? This is your champion? They are that dumb and that was a yes.
They pinpointed what’s the worst fear button to push on women in the same way advertisers do. It’s evil, but ingenious. So every day there would be some new attention-seeking mom talking about this weird guy or that weird guy in some rural grocery store following them and to be on the lookout for. White vans became such a thing that there were poor plumbers and tradesmen getting dragged out of White vans if they happened to be rolling through a town where one of these crazy bitches just made some shit up.
Then the loser men got involved because they found they’d get all these compliments When they’d post something about human trafficking or how you better not come around their daughter. It was this sad incel right wing virtue signaling.
I’d see it every fucking day. You’d try to reason with it and say,”listen, if there were a half dozen young kids disappearing from your little small town, wtf do you think would happen? You’d be out in pickup trucks with your AR-15s and it would be the biggest story ever.” They’d concede that and go right back to the same fake shit the next day. It’s a pure cult and they love the fear. They’ve been worked so hard they can’t stop.
It was so irritating to someone who understands numbers and how shit works. That 99% of these child abductions were 16 year old junkies getting hooked, running away, and then pimped out.
Or the usual domestic disputes where dad or grandma grabs kids. I recall a guy posting a meme over in PA that was like PA reports a record 11k child abductions. I was done and dug into it as the guy was a super virtue signaling moron. I went through year by year and the amount of true stranger abductions was 11 that year, and had been twice that every year in the 1970s with 70% of the population.
The crazy part about this cult is when you point out basic facts, they get angry at you. Things that should comfort them. They act like your pro pedophilia. They love to be scared. They have no interest in facts. The women are actually mentally triggered and for pathetic dudes, it’s the only way to get female attention. It bleeds over into all their posts like desert runner just lobbing it at anyone who disagrees. Truly sick shit.
The funniest part is you could lay a map over pretty much all of society’s ills and it would mirror the vaccine map. The vast majority of pedophilia is in urban areas and rural. It happens everywhere, but as these women lost their mind, their neighbors would be getting popped for child porn or fucking some 14 year old weekly, and they’d defend that dude. Say it’s a misunderstanding. Rural America is this dark southern gothic of disgusting idiocy and darkness and secrets. They want to obsess over Hollywood this or that when literally they have 300 registered sex offenders in their little counties and half of them were molested by some uncle. They worked and understand the rubes so well its amazing and sick all at once.
The lowest IQ states have the lowest vaccinate rates. The lowest IQ areas also will have the highest incidence of pedophilia as Low IQ is correlated with poor impulse control. The media won’t point out the obvious, that it’s rural America, because then they also have to point out it’s also the hood.
Food stamps, welfare, pedophilia, low vaccination...all will be most pronounced in inner cities and the reddest of counties. It’s like Trump starting something with truth In the name. Ton of projection.
Too Soon?
If its such bullshit then explain why several current and former actors have outted pedophila including Corey Feldman... Oh thats right he just has an axe to grind right??? casting couch bullshit has been going on since the start of Hollywood as the center of the entertainment universe.. Why should it surprise anybody its not just adult younger women and men targeted but actual minors.. Is that so hard to fathom as possible?? JFC the Catholic church covered up pedophilia with its priests forever and likely truthfully still is and these are supposed men of God.. You think the dirtest of the dirty like Harvey Weinstein are just a handful.. Come on... you cant be that fucking naive really BCR.. Its either that or you really are delusional about the harsh realities of the real world and the amount of evil that really exists in some areas of society especially the Entertainment Industry..Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRHow it first happened, as I watched it in real time, was they infiltrated the mothers groups on social media. Lot of articles and studies about the right wing obsession with pedophiles, but watching it is scarier.. They did this even before the pandemic. I’d say 2017 or 2018. Google white vans hysteria. I was spending a lot of time in the country then and it was driving me crazy as it was so idiotic. You’d have whole communities of hillbillies with a few thousand people in each little town absolutely convinced there was a rash of kids getting grabbed in stranger abductions from off the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
They were amazingly convinced Trump, of all fucking people, was fighting off these pedophile rings. If you’d point out you mean pussy grabber Trump? The walk backstage at teen pageants while they’re changing Trump? This is your champion? They are that dumb and that was a yes.
They pinpointed what’s the worst fear button to push on women in the same way advertisers do. It’s evil, but ingenious. So every day there would be some new attention-seeking mom talking about this weird guy or that weird guy in some rural grocery store following them and to be on the lookout for. White vans became such a thing that there were poor plumbers and tradesmen getting dragged out of White vans if they happened to be rolling through a town where one of these crazy bitches just made some shit up.
Then the loser men got involved because they found they’d get all these compliments When they’d post something about human trafficking or how you better not come around their daughter. It was this sad incel right wing virtue signaling.
I’d see it every fucking day. You’d try to reason with it and say,”listen, if there were a half dozen young kids disappearing from your little small town, wtf do you think would happen? You’d be out in pickup trucks with your AR-15s and it would be the biggest story ever.” They’d concede that and go right back to the same fake shit the next day. It’s a pure cult and they love the fear. They’ve been worked so hard they can’t stop.
It was so irritating to someone who understands numbers and how shit works. That 99% of these child abductions were 16 year old junkies getting hooked, running away, and then pimped out.
Or the usual domestic disputes where dad or grandma grabs kids. I recall a guy posting a meme over in PA that was like PA reports a record 11k child abductions. I was done and dug into it as the guy was a super virtue signaling moron. I went through year by year and the amount of true stranger abductions was 11 that year, and had been twice that every year in the 1970s with 70% of the population.
The crazy part about this cult is when you point out basic facts, they get angry at you. Things that should comfort them. They act like your pro pedophilia. They love to be scared. They have no interest in facts. The women are actually mentally triggered and for pathetic dudes, it’s the only way to get female attention. It bleeds over into all their posts like desert runner just lobbing it at anyone who disagrees. Truly sick shit.
The funniest part is you could lay a map over pretty much all of society’s ills and it would mirror the vaccine map. The vast majority of pedophilia is in urban areas and rural. It happens everywhere, but as these women lost their mind, their neighbors would be getting popped for child porn or fucking some 14 year old weekly, and they’d defend that dude. Say it’s a misunderstanding. Rural America is this dark southern gothic of disgusting idiocy and darkness and secrets. They want to obsess over Hollywood this or that when literally they have 300 registered sex offenders in their little counties and half of them were molested by some uncle. They worked and understand the rubes so well its amazing and sick all at once.
The lowest IQ states have the lowest vaccinate rates. The lowest IQ areas also will have the highest incidence of pedophilia as Low IQ is correlated with poor impulse control. The media won’t point out the obvious, that it’s rural America, because then they also have to point out it’s also the hood.
Food stamps, welfare, pedophilia, low vaccination...all will be most pronounced in inner cities and the reddest of counties. It’s like Trump starting something with truth In the name. Ton of projection.
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Originally Posted by ftpjesus
Shut the fuck up you stupid fool
There was an Article where a man accidentally left his young Son in a hot car on a hot day and went to work. After work, he looked in the backseat and saw in Horror that his young Son died from being left alone in a hot car in the hot son for about 8 hours. The Judge at his Trial decided not to sentence him to Prison as the Judge realized the Father felt absolutely awful that his careless mistake killed his own Son and he'd have to live with that awful remorse, regret, guilt, and responsibility for the rest of his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
A Responder to the Article asked something like,"If your Dad who raised you lovingly and was very normal as he was raising you, snapped and drowned your child in his pool on purpose, the same child you let him babysit as you went to work, could you be held legally responsible for your child's death for allowing your Dad who ended up drowning your young Son on purpose to be babysitting him in the first place?" The response was,"No, you cannot be legally responsible for your Dad who drowned your young Son on purpose as there was no way you would have known your Dad who raised you lovingly and was very normal when raising you would snap and drown your young Son in a pool. This is way different than someone forgetting their young Son in a hot car in the hot son for about 8 hours."
Given how quiet this forum has been on this topic lately, the “liberal mainstream media” must have been doing a good job keeping this story under the radar latel.
And look how CNN just put up a segment to help out its fellow liberal Alec Baldwin in this matter regarding his recent claim that he “didn’t pull the trigger”.
https://youtu.be/rZdXGX61pao
Quite shameful bias, amirite, Druff?
Alec has hella bags under his eyes.
So, I have no idea why Alec Baldwin's legal team allowed him to do the interview with George Snufflelupagus. There is nothing to gain by it and only creates a liability admission issue to deal with later on , be it criminal or civil. I think he didn't listen to his counsel, because there's no way in hell they signed off on it. A really dumb move.
In that recent interview, Baldwin stated that his role as a producer of the movie, he was an “executive producer” whose active role only involved the script and the cast, not the hiring of the film crew or expenditures related to such decisions.
Also, he says that noone on the film crew who walked off of the set before the shooting occured complained to him about safety issues being a problem as a reason for why they were going to bolt from the set.
https://youtu.be/ZOKpiWrUPUI
And the details on how the shooting occured as told by him, including him alluding to AND physically demonstrating — but not directly saying — that his finger was NOT on the trigger when he let go of the gun’s hammer.
https://youtu.be/y-HyUbJYBOY
But I was wrong about how much Baldwin was familiar with gun safety protocols on movie sets. He apparently was quite familiar with the normal practices given his lengthy and varied career. AND that not all gun prop crew physically demonstrated that the gun was empty before handing it to him or another cast member in the scene.
https://youtu.be/gx_-N4BiX4M
Alec Baldwin Formally Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Death
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/a...ns-1235501092/
Fuck Yeah. They finally got the bastard.
Alec Baldwin deserves this, after years of abusing others.
You might ask...why is Alec Baldwin being charged with involuntary manslaughter? He fired the gun and it accidentally went off. No. That's NOT what Alec told investigators. He told them a lie. He said that the gun was given to him and that he didn't fire the weapon at all, it just went off. Alec Baldwin will have fun in state prison getting other inmates off.
https://variety.com/wp-content/uploa...size=300%2C169
Wrong, I can't stand Baldwin but this is prosecutorial misconduct aka some stupid bitch on a power trip. You don't deserve to be charged with IM for misremembering.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
These days telling massive lies to Congress under oath isn't a crime, BS is our specialty.
This is not a shooting range or a duck hunt it's a movie set where they routinely point guns at people and even pull the trigger.. They hire the armorer to make sure everything is safe. They have one fucking job, make sure the guns are unloaded.
This is the armorer's fault 1000%, instead of hiring some dude they hired a wanna be dude. Sorry it's not in female DNA to safely handle deadly weapons esp during chaos/stress. That's been a male role going back to the stone age, of course that kind of thought will get you cancelled in Hollywood. This would have never happened if the armorer was your avg right wing gun tard.
Is Baldwin responsible for the wiring the electricians installed too, no that's why he hired them.
Baldwin is playing chess. The box office on this worthless flick is gonna be huge - just outta curiosity
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Originally Posted by TheXFactor
HE WILL WALK. WILL YOU RAGE AND CRY WHEN HE WALKS?
I’d watch it if/when it comes on Netflix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
What did I tell you?
https://youtu.be/ydkbzwXyvL0
Maybe next time, Baldwin haters.
Well its not as simple as some may think. Charges were dropped without prejudice.. Primary reason is theres some evidence now the gun Baldwin was handling may have been faulty to the point it was able to fire/misfire without pulling the trigger.. If true then he isnt culpable of the shooting criminal, however this may very well ad to the civil case against Baldwin however as his culpability as EP would bring on higher liability due to the sheer negligence of the armorer. As EP he was the boss and the buck stops with him on civil liability.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Dropping the criminal charges was the correct result here. There was no Criminal Intent on his part. Civil remedies are still available.
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Originally Posted by ftpjesusWell its not as simple as some may think. Charges were dropped without prejudice.. Primary reason is theres some evidence now the gun Baldwin was handling may have been faulty to the point it was able to fire/misfire without pulling the trigger.. If true then he isnt culpable of the shooting criminal, however this may very well ad to the civil case against Baldwin however as his culpability as EP would bring on higher liability due to the sheer negligence of the armorer. As EP he was the boss and the buck stops with him on civil liability.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
he wasnt the boss. anyone can get an EP credit.
An actor should not be liable in this situation. The armorer was at fault for handing over a gun with live rounds. The AD (assistant director) was at fault for saying the gun was checked and safe. The actor should not have aimed the gun at anyone, but otherwise he is faultless. He is an actor. Like Hitchcock said, actors are like cattle.
Did you ever head that voicemail Alex Baldwin left his daughter?
Indicted again!!
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...58b5182b218-lq
The gun in Rust should have been CGI. It would have prevented the entire tragedy.
I read somewhere that Alec aimed the gun at her because he was filming a scene where the gun is supposed to be pointed at the camera, as if the viewer is supposed to be the one who sees the gun being pointed at them. Sucks majorly that she got killed by a gun that was supposed to be a blank gun. :( I remember hearing that an actor died a similar way. That Actor from an 80's show, was told the gun had blanks, not actual bullets, so he jokingly shot himself in the head fully thinking he wouldn't be harmed at all and ended up accidentally killing himself. The Show he was the star of got cancelled after his sudden and accidental death. CGI Guns would have prevented both tragedies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dive_Bar_Dave
He did not shoot the deputy
Harry Hollywood might have more details, but Jon-Erik Hexum was actually replaced on the show after he accidentally on purpose shot himself, and the season was completed and aired. And then canceled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen NathanI read somewhere that Alec aimed the gun at her because he was filming a scene where the gun is supposed to be pointed at the camera, as if the viewer is supposed to be the one who sees the gun being pointed at them. Sucks majorly that she got killed by a gun that was supposed to be a blank gun. :( I remember hearing that an actor died a similar way. That Actor from an 80's show, was told the gun had blanks, not actual bullets, so he jokingly shot himself in the head fully thinking he wouldn't be harmed at all and ended up accidentally killing himself. The Show he was the star of got cancelled after his sudden and accidental death. CGI Guns would have prevented both tragedies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dive_Bar_Dave
Cover Up was the show.