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She's literally the greatest already. Somehow that buys her no credit with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
It's an obvious fact, and that's where the discussion should start, not be conceded. If she's this great, don't you think something must be severely wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
Still feel like Fuck Simone Biles is a solid stance, just out of curiosity?
LOL
"BREAKING: Simone Biles has pulled out of the AA final tomorrow due to further evaluation of her mental health. We wish her all the best as she makes such a brave and courageous decision. MENTAL HEALTH MATTERS"
again out
Choked in the prelims and got the yips....whatever, it happens.
If she knew she had the yips before the olympics she should have bowed out earlier, but if they just occurred...oh well.
Certainly tarnishes her rep as the GOAT.
smells like a covid cover up
I'm sure she's vaccinated and they don't want to publicize that she's positive.
ez game
He retired due to mental duress in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakWe’re usually on the same side of things so I’m not going to get into it, I just disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
Michael Jordan could be basically dead and he would will himself to perform in the clutch. That is greatness. Quitting just as it’s time to lay it all on the line because the pressure got to you is not greatness.
gymnastics should be soviet style a la aliya mustafina the prima ballerina
not afrika style (like in tennis venus/serena williams)
Mustafina was the greatest of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBMzh80dIzg
Best was Scottie Pippen refusing to play when claimed a migraine headache. Wasn't the go to guy and sat out. They should have just canceled the Olympics.
Luck told the team around draft time and they tried to talk him out of it all the way through the start of preseason. Two weeks into July he called the owner directly to say “guys, I’m not kidding I’m done”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakIf Luck wanted to retire because he was sick of being injured all the time fine. Retire when a season ends, not just before the next one begins, when the draft and any reasonable free agent opportunities are past. He left his team high and dry too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
Again if he got medical news at the last moment that changes things.
That’s not public record.
Sharpest guys in the room were betting Chargers and Under the entire preseason. The under hit but somehow the colts covered.
Nick Pipes does not support this at all but also does not care. No time in my day to spend worrying about this, haven’t watched 1 minute of the olympics and if I did would never be gymnastics
This is the start of a trend you should “look out” for... athletes are going to skip/drop out of major competitions in protest or some sort of mental health awareness thing
I would not be surprised to see an NBA team sit out NBA finals if there was a police shooting etc
This year didn’t Kyrie Irving say his mind was elsewhere thinking about Gaza or something during the playoffs?
Imagine being the one paying him all that money and hearing that shit?
The worst is the tennis chick. She made what $50 million last year and had to sit out because depression? What can you even say?
Even the people who pretend to support this are lying. Every single adult knows this is all bullshit
People who make $3,000 a month working full time raising kids are supposed to have sympathy for word famous millionaires being depressed and anxious?
not where I come from pal
I know 100 men who would kill you for $1,000. Do you understand what they would do for the money these people make in. Day? A week? A year?
By the way, surely this entire thing was planned. She knew she was going to sit out before she even went.
It’s a show, a work
The Nike commercial with her and the tennis chick is coming out soon
Be brave, self care is more important than championships
Gold medals mean nothing if you are feeling anxious
Just Do It (as long as you’re not sad that day)
Do you understand how much stress and pressure Nick Pipes is under on a daily basis?
NONE BECAUSE I AM NOT A CRYING BITCHING MOANING PUSSY!
Brothers if Donald Trump runs and wins in 2024 You can expect there will be no nfl or nba in protest
It’s a new generation of athlete playing for the millenials and Gen Z’ers. The athlete is a spokesman for the woke and the mindful youth. Millenials will thank them and show their love. Biles and Osaka are blazing new frontiers for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyPipes
She’s trending like a champ. I don’t have a Twitter or Facebook account so this ain’t my world but I try to get a good read on how the world really is. I’m incredulous.
When I was a kid reading stories about Dick Butkus biting off opponent’s noses and other players playing with a broken leg and then selling cars in the off season. That shit played to people belonging to a generation that believed in the Puritan Work Ethic. Absolutely non of that stuff exists today. If a writer did such a piece he would be ridiculed. How barbaric!
“He touched me!” I’m gonna flop on the hardwood floor wiping tears from my eyes during the NBA playoffs. The 70’s-90’s players were clotheslining each other. We loved it. The NFL is the same. All sports are neutered. The world isn’t ours any more.
Simone was very literally "touched" for years by a team doc, in a way that would make you want to kill someone if it was in your family, and she still rose above and won everything everywhere for years. She's still the only one who can get people fired for allowing the abuse in her sport, but so many of them are still in power anyway, because nobody else cares. You wanna talk about tough, maybe consider that angle too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
If the suggestion is that she was coddled in some way, the suggestion is demonstrably incorrect.
Sports just ain't what it used to be, when athletes would die with broken bodies and no money and had no agency and just got fucked by the owners and powerbrokers at every level... but they shut up and played hard and ruined their lives for US, goddamnit!
Also, Puritans were generally terrible people to themselves and each other and everyone else for that matter, and that's part of why we in Boston are assholes to everyone before we accept them and we're often still assholes after, except with a smile, to this day. But they believed in a higher power who they also believed treated them like shit, so...
No idea either but Dwai actually made me chuckle. That’s a special Olympics bronze right thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
First sports thread in awhile I have not much of an opinion on whatsoever. Well, outside of soccer threads.
Partially because I dont give two shits about the olympics, partially because eh, it's her choice. This isn't Kyrie getting paid $30 million salary and stepping away to ponder if the earth is round or not, she makes no salary. Sure, her previous achievements have let her build a nice bankroll with endorsements, but gymnastics (like most olympic sports) is basically a volunteer job at this point for her. Can't get TOO mad at a volunteer anywhere for quitting.
That is exactly right. Like it or not we are fast becoming old dogs. You’re not getting called up for WWW IIIQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Correct play is to just fold USA Gymnastics entirely.
Russian athletes can't even compete under their own flag, but USA Gymnastics pushes on, despite the child molesting Dr., and Chinese-inspired athlete development.
Who remembers when Dominique Moceanu had to sue to be emancipated from her parents?
Something is seriously off with Gymnastics in this country, and it has been that way for a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Y15enatqgQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Walter, check out this article and let me know if this changes your mind at all on this matter.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andyneuensc...u-simone-biles
The embedded tweet:
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Originally Posted by SanlmarIt’s a new generation of athlete playing for the millenials and Gen Z’ers. The athlete is a spokesman for the woke and the mindful youth. Millenials will thank them and show their love. Biles and Osaka are blazing new frontiers for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyPipes
She’s trending like a champ. I don’t have a Twitter or Facebook account so this ain’t my world but I try to get a good read on how the world really is. I’m incredulous.
When I was a kid reading stories about Dick Butkus biting off opponent’s noses and other players playing with a broken leg and then selling cars in the off season. That shit played to people belonging to a generation that believed in the Puritan Work Ethic. Absolutely non of that stuff exists today. If a writer did such a piece he would be ridiculed. How barbaric!
“He touched me!” I’m gonna flop on the hardwood floor wiping tears from my eyes during the NBA playoffs. The 70’s-90’s players were clotheslining each other. We loved it. The NFL is the same. All sports are neutered. The world isn’t ours any more.
Jason Whitlock talks about this. The (black) athletes of today are conditioned to be like this. It is a self fulfilling prophecy. 20 years ago athletes were conditioned to be mentally tough and resilient, and they were. And now they are conditioned to be depressed, anxious, activists; and they are. Whitlock blames Nike the most for this.
Of course Whitlock sees this all as part of some bigger plan to keep the black community compliant and dependent on the D party and big government.
On a related topic you almost have to feel bad for all the MSM sportswriters pushing woke narratives. Between the Britain soccer team finale, Osaka and Biles; how many prewritten pieces do you imagine had to be scrapped? I am guessing a lot.
At least the chick who won the Olympic all around is some sort of POC (black-Asian mix?), so there is some saving grace there as far as the narrative goes. Unlike soccer and tennis, where white people won so there was nothing to celebrate.
Whitlock is a bit much but there’s a kernel of truth in what he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by KalamQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Jason Whitlock talks about this. The (black) athletes of today are conditioned to be like this. It is a self fulfilling prophecy. 20 years ago athletes were conditioned to be mentally tough and resilient, and they were. And now they are conditioned to be depressed, anxious, activists; and they are. Whitlock blames Nike the most for this.
Of course Whitlock sees this all as part of some bigger plan to keep the black community compliant and dependent on the D party and big government.
Whatever the truth is here this is being catastrophically mismanaged.
They could have ended the conversation on this before it ever started AND made her look sympathetic at the same time if they thought about this for 15 seconds.
I’ve been so busy I’ve hardly watched. Even when it’s on, I’m struggling to care. Probably the reasons listed here about pros and the time change doesn’t help. I hate watching shit played 12 hours ago.
How has US done in relation to expectations? Average, above, below? I know there is a lot left and track and field is where we usually kill it. Just curious if we’ve been disappointing or as expected.
Fuck NBC and fuck the Olympics.Quote:
NBCUniversal paid about $12 billion for the rights to televise 10 Olympic Games through 2032.
It was better when Bob Costas was hosting it.
It's a shitshow and NBC is just using it to broadcast more commercials.
Fuck'em.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...K9Zxj4RVrvxftA
I've never met anyone who cares at all about 75% of these sports, except every 4 years during Olympics. All of a sudden they become rabid.
It would be like getting very emotional about the quality of a solar eclipse.
@BCR
I think you turned me on to David Samson (former Marlins President). Maybe it was Crowe. He’s become a perverse habit. The worst voice. Annoying as fuck at times but he delivers.
He is publicly self critical of his past professional choices and behavior. Incredible and refreshing to this hardened cynic. That makes him special.
Samson called my attention to the claim Biles had the yips. Gymnasts call it “the twisties”. Rick Ankiel stuff. He did a good bit on this. You could end up breaking a leg or worse if you have no mid air feel. Completely changed my entire take on the story. Careful though, it is possible for multiple things to be true.
Yes, she was a victim of Olympic corruption and greed.
Yes, athletes are softer.
Yes, Millenials and Z’s find the mental health story affirming and embrace these athletes as heroes. If you don’t you are out of step.
Still, as an athletic discussion I was hit with “palm to forehead” clarity and am free to move on.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/tex...n-16347221.php
Speaking of the yips.
I remember thinking “The Art of Fielding” was fantastic. Could be 10 years ago. I thought there was going to be a movie. Social norms have changed so much in the interim that I’m not certain where it would fall against today’s social norms.
I suspect it foreshadowed this whole story tbh.
If you played ball or have any kind of heart I recommend.
This is my take. I was pissed when sat she out.
Wtf…You prepare your whole life for something that you have the God given talent and ability to do and in the last moment, you just say screw this. Not even thinking about the ramifications of your actions.
To me, it’s embarrassing. She let the country down and she let her teammates down. The Olympics are not the same this year before this happened and now, I could care less.
With the regards to being tied to the BLM, it’s even more embarrassing. No black or any person regardless of their color should stand with those burn, loot, and murder fools. They are a terroristic threat just any other hate group organization. It’s a shame and a sin that uneducated and misinformed (mostly black) people want to side with these idiots that want to vandalize homes and property in their OWN neighborhood that needs help in the first place. Last May, I witnessed them tear up supermarkets, pharmacies, shopping malls…yes…let’s make the situation than ever…do you think stealing a 70” Vizio and a pair of Jordans will make the world a better place?? Burning a police cruiser in the middle of an expressway. REALLY…Smh…what is that going to do and accomplish?? Absolutely nothing. That’s more of my tax money down the drain because of ignorant people. Plus, black on black crimes are more rampant than before. Not a single peep from BLM when that happens. Only when whites hurt and kill blacks, oh then it’s a problem. Not when blacks kill their own. Get the fuck out of here with this BLM movement. They can rot in hell.
Finally, she blamed “mental illness” for this. If she felt this way, she should have never participated and even traveled to Tokyo. It infuriates me that people just want to say things like that and now they are treating her like a darn queen. Her sponsors applauded her. What?? Come on…let this happen to someone else under these circumstances, and see what the final outcome is.
This country is going to hell in a hand basket.
Biles is a loser.
You think Simone is depressed now, wait five years when she is still 4' 11" but 165 lbs.
Yeah, I have been referencing Samson for years as he was always entertaining to me. I know Crowe is a fan also. He’s a unique dude. Somehow really arrogant while also being self-deprecating, but he’s blunt and really entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I’m not informed on this Biles issues as I haven’t seen a minute of it. Know the basics that she was struggling and withdrew. Yips has always been a super interesting concept in any sport. I remember Ankiel situation well. Knoblauch unable to make throw to second. Sasser unable to throw ball back to pitcher. Braylon Edwards suddenly unable to catch a football. Ben Simmons and every post season or a Markelle Fultz suddenly unable to shoot.
Dozen guys in golf as game is so mental and you can get yips in multiple areas and get more fucked up than imaginable. Dudes like Duval going from one to unable to make a cut. There have been multiple guys mindfucked for periods of time. Whole sport is kind of who has eliminated their yips for x period of time as all the great ones go through years long period where they struggle with some element.
Gymnastics is now so much more about pure power and acceleration than before. An extra half turn matters and a step doesn’t as they’re flying so fast. I think it would have been better received if she just outright said for whatever reason I’ve lost it and feel there is a better chance of ending up in wheelchair than on a podium, everyone gets that. Just basically say I suck right now for some reason and I’m going to get hurt.
We are way more forgiving of our former champs who’ve already brought us glory than some newcomer who would instantly be labeled weak.
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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
I didn't read this till now and have never of heard her. You act as though these supreme athletes show up once a week at the gym and then sit back waiting for glory every four years. What they do constant they do constantly
She’s no different than any of her other teammates. The other teammates are not bit players whose job it is to propel her to the top. And you don’t what sacrifices are made or what pressure is applied by coaches and sponsors to maintain a level of excellence.
People are different. Tom Brady is different and so is the sport. Even if he were to trip over his ego and could not play there are prepared for that. Backups
I think it’s a sign of the times and your take is idiotic. Oh,I forgot Americans are just so proud of their country as if that’s something unique.
Have you ever heard of PSTD? That stress and people handle differently. Well being molested by someone high up in the American Olympic effort and then having that covered up by some of the same people is sick.
The former female Olympic gymnants quoted in this ABC News article compliment Biles for her decision to bow out because of her mental health concerns, largely in part because it signals that the decades-long culture of abusive emotional control of those young American female athletes by their coaches is over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmo
Former Olympians react to Simone Biles having the decision to withdraw
"I never remember feeling like I ever got to make those decisions."
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/olympi...ry?id=79121854
Here’s an example in the form of tweet embedded in the article.
Is there anyone more manufactured that Simone Biles? She looks like a creation from a Nike lab, almost bionic, she almost does not even look real. I am not saying she is going to go Gary Coleman, but its not like she is worth $50M, she has pretty nominal endorsements, by most accounts she is worth like $5M, which we know will be evaporated in a few years. Her biggest leak is she like barely 5 feet tall if that. She puts on 25 lbs she is going to be a laughingstock.
Mumbles what happens if you call dispatch and tell them you’re not emotionally ready to drive that day?
I have herd of this and it’s called unfit to work especially in his field. At least here Canada it has to be respected by law.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyPipes
There are endless horror stories that would have been avoided if someone had just stayed home that day. And that’s not including the clinically insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Von StruckerI have herd of this and it’s called unfit to work especially in his field. At least here Canada it has to be respected by law.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyPipes
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Originally Posted by Elmo
You should feel right at home here
You should have heard his rant on Biles a couple days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakWhitlock is a bit much but there’s a kernel of truth in what he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalam
Cliffs: Not a fan.
Slightly Longer Cliffs: Nike, social media and the liberal establishment is turning black American athletes into narcissistic clowns. Case in point: The 3 biggest stories of this olympics involving black America athletes are Richardson, Biles, and Gwen Berry. (honorable mention Naomi Osaka and mens basketball team). Not exactly Jesse Owens level inspiring stuff.