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They better hope they learn to get along or that Kyrie just sits out this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Kyrie stays. WTF are they thinking? This is gonna be the gift that keeps on giving.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
6 or 7 games together max and the NY Post sports page will turn epic
Rockets might be really good by 2026 if they tank the next 2-3 years and have all those picks.
I took Knicks +155 half unit in celebration. This is so dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdogThey better hope they learn to get along or that Kyrie just sits out this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Rockets might be really good by 2026 if they tank the next 2-3 years and have all those picks.
If the Rockets let fans back in, they should run a free Big Mac promo if you get to see a catastrophic injury during the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdogThey better hope they learn to get along or that Kyrie just sits out this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Rockets might be really good by 2026 if they tank the next 2-3 years and have all those picks.
Wall, Cousins, Oladipo. Management might not have to try to tank, the achilles' and ACL's will be popping in no time.
Christian Wood is a legit up and coming player, averaging 22 and 10 so far this year. I kind of like their team if they can stay healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutIf the Rockets let fans back in, they should run a free Big Mac promo if you get to see a catastrophic injury during the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
Wall, Cousins, Oladipo. Management might not have to try to tank, the achilles' and ACL's will be popping in no time.
The Nets are going to find a way to lose despite this.
1) Because they're the Nets
2) LOL @ anyone believing Kyrie and Harden won't clash at some point
3) Good luck beating the Lakers
DeMarcus Cousins, 30-year-old has-been, decided to rip Harden on the way out:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ouston-rockets
Not that he's wrong.
Definitely going to trade Drummond I’d assume. It’s good value over a late first. Who needs bigs? None are great, but we sure have a lot of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
This Nets shit is going to be amazing to watch. One ball for these high usage guys, mental issues aside.
Also imagine if they somehow ship Kyrie for Westbrook. The old gang will be back together again.
Of course Westbrook already couldn't get along with Harden in the last recent stint, so I don't see it happening.
Yeah, who is going to play defense? They might not need it if they can ever all get their heads right, but that’s really doubtful. Ideally Irving comes back and plays well and they can move him for multiple pieces that fit and play defense. It’s going to be entertaining as fuck watching it look great and then likely implode.
u take simmons/thybulle + picks from 76ers over Oladipo and 4 possibly shitty picks from nets, obvious grudge between morey & owner going on. simmons signed for 4 years, oladipo for 1 and u will have to pay a shit load to keep him? retard
they tried this once and it blew up masterfully and gave the celtics a nice war chest which i am still grateful for...
when this fails (and it will because as mentioned kyrie is a space cadet and there's only one ball) they are beyond fucked up the ass...
all of these guys have contracts that expire after 2021-22 and player options for 2022-23...so basically the nets said 'fuck it, we're all in' for what may only be a 2 year run...will be interesting to see how that pans out in LA because i think both PG and khawi are up after this year or have player options and they did the same thing as brooklyn did on a slightly smaller scale...they gave up SGA to make it happen, which was a big get for OKC...
at least with PG/khwai i get it...they're two superstar players who aren't fucking knuckleheads so the clippers actually had a shot...to look at kyrie and all the bullshit he has pulled just in the last fucking week and think that he's stable enough to take a shot on is fucking YOLO at it's finest...
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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
hmmmm gambling on a colossal fail aint a bad idea especially if he didnt want to do business with his former GM
they got 4 pick swaps as well...agreed that the first couple of picks are probably gonna be dogshit, but there is a distinct possibility that the last couple of picks and the swaps are gonna be worth something...Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
id rather take a shot on re-signing oladipo...if simmons aint a willing shooter by this point he's never gonna be...you're never gonna win a championship with a guy like that as a main piece...defenses can just sag off of him and dare him to find his balls to take a 3 in the pressure of the playoffs...
yeah but how badly are they fucked if/when this blows up if they dont win it all? i mean i have zero clue how the hell they're gonna rebuild...tough to have a successful team without some semblance of lottery talent...Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedishQuote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
hmmmm gambling on a colossal fail aint a bad idea especially if he didnt want to do business with his former GM
As a Cavs fan, we have 4 guys in Sexton, Garland, Okoro, and Allen that I don’t hate all 22 and younger. There isn’t a sure thing among them, but this is the only way to do it in Cleveland with the new flattened lottery odds. We still lose this year anyway, but build the core and hope to get lucky with a star later. You basically need to pick a Giannis mid first lucky type pick at some point in next few years. It is what it is.
We aren’t ever getting free agents.
Obviously the Harden story is much bigger to the rest of the world. It’s a super polarized trade. It’s either going to be their mental health issues wreck everything or they are outscore everyone 150-130 every night
The thing with these nutjobs is you could make a run, even win one, and it’s still possible someone wants to leave, which nets you a big return if they played well. Or nothing if they just walk. The Rockets look like they got garbage on paper, but it could work out.
Their biggest problem is their owner is obviously broke. Like you keep an Allen if you aren’t. That element makes no sense you want to walk away with a nice young player because the picks and swaps are pure guesses.
LOL at Kyrie immediately becoming expendable. Serves him right for all of the histrionics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
If I'm Brooklyn, I shop him immediately and see if another team overvalues him.
It's going to be an interesting experiment, as the last 5+ years of Rockets teams were specifically tailored to maximize Harden's skillset.
It's a good thing that the Nets have no fans - as good as Harden can be, immediately cashing in all of the draft equity and young players that took 7 years to build back up for a demonstrably overweight, mercurial superstar who may only have a couple of good years left is a tough sell.
Bet $200 with a friend at even odds that the Nets won't come out of the East. We'll see.
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But according to SNYTV’s Tommy Dee, Irving is “furious” with the organization. And it has nothing to do with the team’s decision to onboard James Harden via a four-team trade, either.
Irving reportedly is upset by the Nets’ decision to hire Steve Nash as head coach because he was “not in favor” of it.
Dee also described the relationship between Irving and teammate Kevin Durant as “very distant.”
I guess I was a bit naïve in thinking that Kyrie would at least play the playoffs this year to win the championship.
Ummm. Based on firsthand experience, that’s a no.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
This is easily the best storyline in the NBA if Kyrie decides to come back. Don’t rule out him taking a powder.
Some say Kyrie is using the time off to lobby for bottomless NY strip clubs for Harden’s arrival.
"Very distant" also describes Kyrie's relationship with reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
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Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeLOL at Kyrie immediately becoming expendable. Serves him right for all of the histrionics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
If I'm Brooklyn, I shop him immediately and see if another team overvalues him.
It's going to be an interesting experiment, as the last 5+ years of Rockets teams were specifically tailored to maximize Harden's skillset.
It's a good thing that the Nets have no fans - as good as Harden can be, immediately cashing in all of the draft equity and young players that took 7 years to build back up for a demonstrably overweight, mercurial superstar who may only have a couple of good years left is a tough sell.
Bet $200 with a friend at even odds that the Nets won't come out of the East. We'll see.
if i'm the sixers, i would trade simmons for kyrie in a heartbeat.
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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenisthey got 4 pick swaps as well...agreed that the first couple of picks are probably gonna be dogshit, but there is a distinct possibility that the last couple of picks and the swaps are gonna be worth something...Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
id rather take a shot on re-signing oladipo...if simmons aint a willing shooter by this point he's never gonna be...you're never gonna win a championship with a guy like that as a main piece...defenses can just sag off of him and dare him to find his balls to take a 3 in the pressure of the playoffs...
yeah i'm a Sixers fan and am 100% on board with moving simmons for nearly anything.
I wouldn’t, and I don’t love Simmons. There is nothing that could come out about Kyrie that would shock you. Retire? Meh. Wouldn’t be shocked. Want to go play in China? Can see if. Suicide? Sure, I can see itQuote:
Originally Posted by blakeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
if i'm the sixers, i would trade simmons for kyrie in a heartbeat.
I used to think it was mostly performance but now genuinely think he's just fucking weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRI wouldn’t, and I don’t love Simmons. There is nothing that could come out about Kyrie that would shock you. Retire? Meh. Wouldn’t be shocked. Want to go play in China? Can see if. Suicide? Sure, I can see itQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
It's a shame, he's so good when he's plugged in. One of those players I've seen live a bunch of times that has blown me away in person.
From a ringer podcast today, Jackie MacMullen telling a story:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeI used to think it was mostly performance but now genuinely think he's just fucking weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
It's a shame, he's so good when he's plugged in. One of those players I've seen live a bunch of times that has blown me away in person.
Thats a good summary right there of Kyrie. Take the brainpower of a very stoned teenager, add millions of dollars and the current wave of player entitlement and you have the flakiest athlete ever.Quote:
So I will tell you this, I was thinking about all the conversations I’ve had with Kyrie through the years, one of them I had, I don’t know, two years ago, we got into an argument about, you know, something.
And he’s like, “Well, there shouldn’t be an NBA draft. Players should be able to go wherever they want to go. We’re not, you know, someone’s property.”
And I’m like, “Yeah you are, dude. That’s the way it works. That’s why you get paid all these millions.”
I think Kyrie might be legit mentally ill. Not in some minor way. Or he’s the most entitled kid ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeI used to think it was mostly performance but now genuinely think he's just fucking weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
It's a shame, he's so good when he's plugged in. One of those players I've seen live a bunch of times that has blown me away in person.
The crazy part is an NBA team is the ultimate rich mans toy. You get to hold court and are visible.
All the billionaires want NBA teams. Yet you go from total control in whatever business you piled up all that money to being held hostage by mercurial kids. Kind of crazy. If you’re a new owner, you legit need $10 billion to even be a real player.
I don’t know why they want NBA teams as opposed to other sports where any one player isn’t going to sink you.
The older owners paid $200-$300 million for teams. These guys like Fertitta are legit too poor to own a winner at this point because of what they paid.
Article on his purchase
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spaceci...n-rockets/amp/
A team like the Rockets paid all that luxury cap money and fell short. You need minimum $10 billion to play in this build a super team league. You have to be able to eat $200 million in luxury tax multiple years in a row.
This Nets guy is rich enough to go for it and see if he can win the championship. Fertitta is doing everything like a guy who can’t afford this shit. His preference for Oladipo is because he’s expiring.
There is the basketball end of things, but the finances of all this blow my mind also. If I’m Fertitta, I’m happy to be out of Harden, hope for some picks and financial stability, and look to flip the team. As rich as he is, he ain’t rich enough to play this game.
Just blows my mind these super wealthy guys are risking hundreds of millions annually on the mental health of a James Harden or Kyrie. That Nets guy just bet the next decade on James and Kyrie. That feels crazy. At least he can afford it. Fertitta is lucky he got out alive for the moment.
All the talk is he didn’t want to deal with Morey. It’s possible he wanted the picks and future swaps and didn’t feel like dealing with Simmons contract and actually winning for a few seasons. Winning is expensive. You’ll get it back on team valuation eventually, but if you’re treading water like Fertitta, winning might be better put off for awhile.
I hear ya blake...and again watching him take 20 minutes of game time tonight to actually score any points he's still better than kyrie...trust me as a boston fan...you might get really fucking annoyed at simmons, but you will absolutely hate your team with kyrie...it's like san said, he had a tough time watching the Cs when kyrie was there...i feel the same way...i was glad to see him leave and the Cs get a guy like kemba...Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeQuote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
yeah i'm a Sixers fan and am 100% on board with moving simmons for nearly anything.
@BCR...good find...thats fucking nuts...thought he was pretty loaded (not that being a billionaire isnt loaded) since he owned the golden nuggets in LV and AC...even though i agree with san about casinos being a dogshit thing to own, i know the nugget in AC does really well for what it is...
probably a reason he decided to go young at head coach as well...didnt want to pump out money for a guy like donovan/nash/etc who woulda cost him a helluva lot more than silas...
im pulling for silas...hope he does well after he got tubbs the fuck outta there...
Caris Levert out indefinitely with mass on kidney. Assuming it arose during physical with new team. Hopefully it’s nothing, but crazy if getting traded might have allowed him to be diagnosed earlier.
Already regretting this, even though it's just been two games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
Not sure how long it's been since Harden has given a shit, but holy fuck is he lethal when dialed in. Even in autopilot he can have 40 before you know it.
Still give them little chance at beating the Lakers in a series unless the offense is so dialed in that they can simply outscore teams while giving up 120 nightly, which doesn't seem entirely farfetched. Durant is unstoppable when he's humming and has outplayed LeBron in a finals before.
DeAndre Jordan is not good enough and will continue to get demolished by competent bigs.
Joe Harris is going to enjoy the rest of this year launching wide open threes.
dont underestimate the chance of kyrie torpedoing this whole thing before the season is over...see boston...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeAlready regretting this, even though it's just been two games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
Not sure how long it's been since Harden has given a shit, but holy fuck is he lethal when dialed in. Even in autopilot he can have 40 before you know it.
Still give them little chance at beating the Lakers in a series unless the offense is so dialed in that they can simply outscore teams while giving up 120 nightly, which doesn't seem entirely farfetched. Durant is unstoppable when he's humming and has outplayed LeBron in a finals before.
DeAndre Jordan is not good enough and will continue to get demolished by competent bigs.
Joe Harris is going to enjoy the rest of this year launching wide open threes.
we're 12-14 games in...LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time for that to happen...
Boston had young talent that was a year or two away from really clicking; Brooklyn now has the two best offensive players in the league to complement Kyrie.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenisdont underestimate the chance of kyrie torpedoing this whole thing before the season is over...see boston...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
we're 12-14 games in...LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time for that to happen...
I get your point but I just don't think Kyrie will be able to fuck them up with histrionics, complaints about shots like he did in Boston.
KD and Harden are immeasurably more valuable than him. If Kyrie is even decent in this system watch out.
This Sexton man, he just had a Dame type game. Was fun.
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Originally Posted by BCR
:lol2
Thanks for saving your best game of the year for us Bron. Ffs he couldn’t miss anything. Cavs actually played well, he was just too on.
If you guys want to really laugh I've taken under on Portland games 2 nights in a row it's cost me a cheap car??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSHP...re=emb_rel_end
But i still got this
And I don't drive cuz I def drive drunk
Wink
Your never dead unless you believe you are dead.
We aint DEAD yet!!!!
Funny you mention the Portland game. I bet Portland not realizing most of their starters were out, and then they fell down big immediately and were down pretty big at half with no expectation they would come back and cover (which they didn't), but I saw the 2nd half over was only 112, which seemed insanely low so I bet it.
The 2nd half total was only 116, so not that far off, but I won the bet and pushed overall.
Also, with these same matchupback to backs I have actually been following a strategy of taking the opposite side of the team that won the first game (taking the points, not money line), and I feel it has been working well overall, although I haven't been keeping super close track.
He was also really good against Milwaukee, where basically the entire team except him and KCP were trash. I watched that one in entirety (and bet on it), and was amazed at how well he played.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffHe was also really good against Milwaukee, where basically the entire team except him and KCP were trash. I watched that one in entirety (and bet on it), and was amazed at how well he played.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
I watched that one also. He was better tonight. Clearly the Bucks are much better so it’s relative, but he had 46 on 26 shots tonight with only two free throws and very few bunnies. He was 7/11 from 3 and hitting freakish fade away threes.
Obviously I rarely missed a LeBron game for a dozen years playing for us and he takes over many a game, but this was one of the better pure shooting games I’ve ever seen him have. He really single handedly beat us. He was 19/26 and the other four starters shot under 35%. I can’t believe I’m watching this shit still in his 18th season. I was in my late twenties when I started watching this kids high school games on TV and he’s still the best player in the world. Between him and Tom Brady, I don’t expect to see this type of career again in my life. If I do I’ll be dying of natural causes by the time it’s ending.
I am truly curious what value Andre Drummond has as the Cavs look to shop him/Love/ and they’ll be giving away Javale.
Drummond is still Drummond with his inefficient offense, but I heard rumors of Charlotte being interested, and any time you get Jordan and Kupchak involved, it’s almost as exciting as getting Sacramento involved.
Drummond has played decent defense this year and the rebounding is always there. I’ve went from thinking he’d be a buyout to having some hope he might possibly fetch a late first from someone dumb.
I assume it’s bs, but rumors also have Love in play. I can’t imagine anyone taking him off our hands without us attaching an asset. I’d be thrilled if we could give him away and get him off the books.
I’m really happy with this rebuild so far. We have 4 guys under 22 I really like. It’s bizarre to have multiple Cleveland teams being ran well, but right now, the Indians, Cavs, and the Browns are all under fairly competent management. That’s never happened.
It’s a shame Gilbert owns the Cleveland team in a capped sport instead of him owning the Indians. He made so much money last year under the radar during Covid year, but he’s now the second wealthiest owner in the NBA by a wide margin. He’s closer to Ballmer than third wealthiest is to him. Dude has $50 billion now.
With his desire to win, it’s a shame we can’t attract free agents as the luxury tax would be pennies to him.