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From what I heard, they're hard to find on their own, but plenty available when buying as part of a pre-built system. Interesting strat by Nvidia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Sanchez
You knocked it out of the park. That's a great system. Congrats on getting a hold of a RTX 3070, I hear they've been backordered since release and are hard to find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Makes sense. It's generally not advisable to buy pre-built (bad value) but building these things can be a daunting task especially for a high-end system.
I bought a pre-built one. And yes, the 3070 was available that way.
The main reason I bought pre-built was that I haven't built my own computers in about 30 years, so I'd pretty much be re-learning this all over again, and it just didn't seem like an enjoyable project to me. Even 30 years ago, I didn't enjoy this. Too many things can go wrong, and I've always been a software guy, not really into dicking around with hardware. I got a good Jew deal on this system, so I just threw down the money and am now waiting for it to arrive. The better availability of the 3070 was also a factor here.
Flight Simulator is also more appealing to me now because of my lack of ability to travel in 2020, and probably through all or most of 2021.
If I can't go anywhere, at least I can pretend.
Hasn't really changed in that 30 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I do a full build in about an hour and a half, and I'm meticulous in hiding cables.
Water-cooling is kinda new and going mainstream, but the most poplar application are prebuild kits that take up a couple of fan spaces just attach power and the water-block.
Personally I like to cherry pick the best value for money components, always get a better build and save money.
It's probably easier now, BIOS used to be a bit tricky in the past, and PSU's are modular which makes it easier. All the HD's and SSD share easy connections... sooo easy now.
Maybe sometime in the future Druff will just be sequestered at home with nothing to do but build a pc.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusHasn't really changed in that 30 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I do a full build in about an hour and a half, and I'm meticulous in hiding cables.
Water-cooling is kinda new and going mainstream, but the most poplar application are prebuild kits that take up a couple of fan spaces just attach power and the water-block.
Personally I like to cherry pick the best value for money components, always get a better build and save money.
It's probably easier now, BIOS used to be a bit tricky in the past, and PSU's are modular which makes it easier. All the HD's and SSD share easy connections... sooo easy now.
Kidding! I am also in the buying pre-built camp, maybe even more-so now because it seems the value of building yourself has been dropping over the last 15 years or so. People just are not buying desktops for home unless its for gaming or video editing/advanced graphical work and etc. All the casuals have laptops, or just phones and maybe an ipad.
I am not obsessive with following the market here, but I am getting close to buying again and am starting to look around. Last 2 pre-builts I bought were in 2007 and then 2013-14ish. Just in that 7 year difference, the value at my ideal price range went up. 07 i got basically a mid-range/slightly above mid-range system. Same-ish price in 13-14 got me just a notch below a high end system, although i skimped on gpu and later upgraded.
Its a bit weird perhaps but I get a perverse satisfaction in building me own gaming desktop.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutMaybe sometime in the future Druff will just be sequestered at home with nothing to do but build a pc.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
Kidding! I am also in the buying pre-built camp, maybe even more-so now because it seems the value of building yourself has been dropping over the last 15 years or so. People just are not buying desktops for home unless its for gaming or video editing/advanced graphical work and etc. All the casuals have laptops, or just phones and maybe an ipad.
I am not obsessive with following the market here, but I am getting close to buying again and am starting to look around. Last 2 pre-builts I bought were in 2007 and then 2013-14ish. Just in that 7 year difference, the value at my ideal price range went up. 07 i got basically a mid-range/slightly above mid-range system. Same-ish price in 13-14 got me just a notch below a high end system, although i skimped on gpu and later upgraded.
And you do get a better build still. It might seem you only save a hundred or so but the real difference is not so much the CPU or GPU you'll get but stuff like motherboard and PSU, drives and to some extent RAM.
For the same money you can usually get an enthusiast type motherboard and much better quality power supply then the generic one in prebuilt. Same with optical drive instead of some cheaper generic you can get a decent one.... and the cream I guess is the case you want/like.
If I was building a machine today I would have gone with an AMD CPU this time and crossfire 5600xt perhaps to get a really super 1440p frame rate.
Very satisfying when you get excellent benchmark results for similar money or less.
All good, not for everyone. ��
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Scratch the 5600xt crossfire. Navi chips. But id still probably crossfire something to get 1440p super smooth.
Haven't built a new gaming machine in nearly 2 years, still running 2 x 1070 in SLI and everything in 1440p is still super smooth... I'm a bit of a dinosaur perhaps on multi GPU.
Can't see myself needing to upgrade for another few years less something breaks. I get 100+ frame rates with virtually every game with ultra settings.
BUMP
Just ordered this monitor:
Acer Predator XB1 XB271HU bmiprz 27"
Size 27"
Resolution 2560x1440
Max Refresh Rate 165 Hz
Pixel Type IPS
Variable Refresh Rate G-SYNC
Didn't get it from Amazon because I was reading reports that their shady merchant shipping Prime is selling refurbished shit as new, so fuck that. I bought from a reputable retailer.
My last PC build was in 2012, so it was time to pull the trigger on a new one. FS2020 runs ok on it but not as well as I'd like. So upgrade we go.
Went with this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TntZz7
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor
Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Asus PRIME X570-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Western Digital Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Thermaltake View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case
EVGA SuperNOVA GA 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
1) Went full tower. Wouldn't do that again, MAN is that fucking thing HUGE.
2) Video card I pulled out of my current rig, it will work until I can walk into microcenter and get a 3070 off the shelf instead of trying to get lucky and finding bare shelves. Its a 1660ti. I currently run 3 27" 1440p monitors which will get upgraded with the card.
3) I forgot how fun it is to build a PC. Almost want to take it back apart just so I can do it again.
4) Did I mention this fucking case is MASSIVE?
8=====D) Airforceproud95 is a good follow on YT. Funny stuff, even from the FSX days.
C) Curious why you went with intel, Druff. Like, genuinely. Miss me with the fanboy wearing an intel tshirt shit, just give me your reasons
d) C'mon druff I'm a god damn mechanic and I build my own PC. YOU ARE A FUCKING COMPUTER SCIENTIST. ACT LIKE ONE. You can't give us a 60 paragraph rant on trying to fix stereo mix and then turn around 2 weeks later and pretend you can't seat a CPU in a socket and plug in some cards and shit. You just can't.
7) Who's running a full-on yoke/rudder/throttle quadrant setup? Need advice/opinions.
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Originally Posted by wrenchjockey
druffs a computer scientist like i'm a sihk boxer and you should consider your power requirements while youre shopping for that card.
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Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by wrenchjockey
druffs a computer scientist like i'm a sihk boxer and you should consider your power requirements while youre shopping for that card.
Edit: I read min 650 for 3070, so if you have conflicting info, I'm aaaaaaalllllllllllll ears, but that gif has been in my back pocket for a long time and I got to use it, so.....
sauce:
youre clearly ahead of me there. one thing ive learned from putting together ML rigs is that having a separate PSU for the cards can save me grief. honestly its probably overkill but i like the peace of mind.
Dumb take, but not entirely unexpected from a low-end sysadmin with an inferiority complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by wrenchjockey
druffs a computer scientist like i'm a sihk boxer and you should consider your power requirements while youre shopping for that card.
I would still be working in the industry, as I had been for 8 years, had I not found poker in the early 2000s. At the time, we were just coming off the dotcom bust, there were far more software guys looking for jobs than jobs to be had, and thus you'd be replaced if you didn't work 40+ hours unpaid overtime each week. This was industry-wide, unless you worked as a consultant. Once I started killing it on Stars, I figured it was smart to make a change.
I realize you dislike my politics, and if you want to make idiotic judgments about me based upon those disagreements on policy, I feel it's petty and unfounded, but that's par for the course nowadays. But lol @ this '80s nerd one-upmanship thing you think you have going on over here. Bad form.
wrench, to answer your question:
In the late '80s, I worked 2 different jobs building computers all day. I didn't really enjoy it, but it beat working in a supermarket or whatever, and there weren't exactly a lot of lucrative job offers out there for a 17-year-old.
I continued building my own computers through the mid-90s, then finally broke down and bought a Gateway. I decided I liked it a lot better just to receive the thing and get going. I just wasn't deriving joy from building them. This was the first desktop I bought in awhile, so I was considering building it. However, remembering what little fun I had doing this 25-30 years ago, and knowing I'd have to take some time to get up to speed with building modern computers (though I know it's not rocket science), I just decided to skip it and buy pre-built.
Since you enjoy building them yourself, I totally understand the route you took.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffDumb take, but not entirely unexpected from a low-end sysadmin with an inferiority complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I would still be working in the industry, as I had been for 8 years, had I not found poker in the early 2000s. At the time, we were just coming off the dotcom bust, there were far more software guys looking for jobs than jobs to be had, and thus you'd be replaced if you didn't work 40+ hours unpaid overtime each week. This was industry-wide, unless you worked as a consultant. Once I started killing it on Stars, I figured it was smart to make a change.
I realize you dislike my politics, and if you want to make idiotic judgments about me based upon those disagreements on policy, I feel it's petty and unfounded, but that's par for the course nowadays. But lol @ this '80s nerd one-upmanship thing you think you have going on over here. Bad form.
stop.
you havent had a real job in decades. ive been in this business for 25 years straight. and i dont consider myself any sort of competent computer scientist because i work with actual ones.
if i need pot odds, youre my huckelberry tho.
Druff thinking he has a more nuanced understanding of computing than sonatine is soooooooo 2020.
I haven't had a job in the industry for 17 years. That doesn't mean that I don't keep up with things and fuck around with stuff on my own behind the scenes. It's not even like I was bragging about anything. You responded to something wrench said with a needless and unfounded jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
stop.
you havent had a real job in decades. ive been in this business for 25 years straight. and i dont consider myself any sort of competent computer scientist because i work with actual ones.
if i need pot odds, youre my huckelberry tho.
You're making a lot of dumb assumptions here. It's an odd thing to do because I never attack you from that standpoint, as I will admit I don't have any real visibility into your work life, beyond what you've shared out here. Even if I did, I'd have no reason to snipe in such a petty fashion.
It's so cute how you have become sonatine's penis protector in the last year so, like he's your adoptive woke white daddy or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypt
look 'computer scientist' is a badge. its a black belt.
its something earned.
you dont get one of those badges.
*i* dont get one of those badges.
its nothing personal. i know youre a computer guy, i think thats cool. i like that. im a computer guy too.
even actual whole ass CS majors who fucked around and majored in weak shit catch sneers.
So before Druff breaks this off into its own, new thread lemme just say my work is done here.
Okay, so back on track.
Let's talk about Flight Simulator again.
As soon as I receive this computer & monitor, I'm gonna set it up and get Flight Simulator.
Two questions for those that have it:
1) Would you recommend a special controller for it? Or is the keyboard sufficient?
2) Anyone try out the difference between a hardwired connection and WiFi? I realize that many factors go into the quality of a Wifi connection, but I'm wondering if anyone here has actually tried it both ways and compared. I actually do radio on a hardwired connection because I want to make sure there aren't any cut-offs or dropouts.
Druff,
How does the game run on your PC? I am looking at a similar build and may play some FS.
Way back in the day, I used standard joysticks as keyboard only was difficult.
Okay, so I just got Flight Sim last night and have been fucking around with it.
Of course I was trying to first find my house, and in the process of trying to locate it, I crashed into.... my house. Fitting.
Fortunately, I live in a neighborhood which borders a large area of nature, so it's not too difficult to find. What's interesting is that everything looks fairly accurate from above, but once you crash, it all looks like a blocky mess.
I flew the Cessna. I haven't used a flight sim since the '80s, so I had a lot of learning to do. My dad was a recreational small plane pilot, so I flew as a passenger in real Cessnas in the past, but we're talking about almost 30 years since I last did so.
The tutorial blows. The concept is pretty cool -- an unseen female co-pilot with a pleasant voice, who directs you to do different things. However, I found it confusing and mostly unhelpful. It tried to have me fly around Sedona, but I was having a very difficult time controlling it, and kept going around in circles, and eventually slamming into the ground.
I decided to ditch the tutorial after learning the basics (but not doing very well at them), and took off on my own at an airport near my house. Suddenly I did a lot better without the co-pilot bugging me, and eventually I got sort of the hang of the Cessna.
I'm still having trouble recovering once the plane starts losing control. Like, it will start pitching left, I'll push it back right, and then it will pitch right too far, and I'll just never be able to get it under control until I ultimately crash. Any tips how to stop this?
I'm finding the land is a bit too green -- at least in southern California. It looks like we just had 3 weeks of heavy rain in February. That's nicer to see than everything looking brown and dead (as it tends to for about 9 months of the year), but I actually found it to be overly green, to where it starts to detract from the realism.
The terrain and cityscapes in general are hit-and-miss. Sometimes it looks very accurate, sometimes you're thinking "wtf" when you're flying over an area you know well, and it looks different. I did laugh at a big rocky hill nearby which kinda resembles Yosemite's Half Dome, which in reality doesn't exist here.
My system seems to handle it fairly well. I had it on the "high" setting at 60fps, and it was smooth, though the detail of the stuff on the ground would kind of draw itself as I got closer to it, which of course subtracted from the realism. I decided to give it a shot on "Ultra", also at 60fps, and it was far better than I expected. However, it wasn't quite as smooth anymore. Not noticeably bad, just not as smooth.
I do like the active pause feature, where you can halt everything and take a look around. I did that when I was over my house.
I flew to Mammoth Mountain, and it was interesting how it handled the detail. The mountain was shaped correctly, but there was snow only at the upper elevations. You could see the ski runs clearly. However, the chairlifts were all missing, aside from the little "house" at the top which protects the end of Chair 23. So it looks kinda weird, but still cool to visit.
Haven't tried the Vegas area yet.
The game itself was a 128GB download, which was the biggest download I've ever done, by a wide margin.
Flew some more.
Got better at controlling the Cessna.
Still can't land.
The "rendering while flying" thing stopped happening. Actually does very well on Ultra.
Will fly in Vegas next time.
Microsoft FAIL today, as Ben came to me and told me that the game was asking for him to "insert Flight Simulator disc", whatever the fuck that means.
I got it fixed, but suffice to say it wasn't easy or trivial, and it was due to design/authentication errors which have existed for many months, and which Microsoft has made no effort to fix.
Basically fixing this took 3 steps, including diagnosing what the fuck even happened, which wasn't easy, given that 1990s-esque "insert disc" message was all the information Microsoft felt we deserved.
As you might have guessed, there was no actual disc we needed to insert, nor did we have to even download anything further.
Microsoft really has become terrible in so many ways.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/13/2...ies-x-s-launch
release on new gen xboxes end of month.
honestly this seems odd to me because at the end of the day, im not sure how long id stay interested in this without VR or at least an expansive wrap-around monitor situation.
also are the video cards on xbox x/s really that burly?
i could see myself dipping a toe regardless but if nothing else, id wait to make sure there are appropriate flight controller hardware options before committing.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Druff can you check and see if the Cirrus Vision Jet is included as a sim model?
BUMP?
I found this, which you probably also found: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/6...om-flightfxio/
I haven't done any pay add-ons, which this definitely will be. It seems that this is actually being developed by a third party company, but I see nothing about it being released.
The company's website, flightfx.io, doesn't mention it at all.
I haven't checked available planes, as I really haven't fucked around with all that many. I usually just grab a small plane like a Cessa or a small jet, and fly around places of interest.
I'm guessing it's not out yet, as there's not a single post claiming it's been released.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
thank you, very much.
trying to make sense of what is/isnt available is infuriating tbh. and honestly id have no issues whatsoever with paying for an add-on for this jet but i hate the idea of basically rolling the dice on quality/bugs.
its crazy because honestly the vision jet and the hondajet elite are redefining the light jet market and i _think_ more vision jets have been sold (grain of salt) but the honda is in MFS but the vision jet is not....
frustrating.
i stand corrected; cessna and embraer are basically leading the pack along side honda. so vision jet is less influential / relevant to the market than i understood.
Tine literally too fat to board actual airplanes
Last edited by sonatine; Today at 09:11 AM.
awkward.
bump; the cirrus vision jet is now ported to MSFS.
I never got a flight stick. Probably should have.
Benjamin plays it a lot more than I do these days.
We tried hooking it up to his Oculus. Interesting novelty, but not really practical for normal play.
One notable change has been the disabling of the ability to crash into landmarks. Weak. As you might guess, you can't hit the NYC Freedom Tower. But it's more than just that. You can't hit any notable building in NYC. You can't hit Christ the Redeemer in Brazil (one of my favorite targets to crash into). So many buildings and structures you just go right through. For years it wasn't like this.
I would understand this if it were to create an explosion and destroy the building, but Flight Sim would either black-screen end the game or just show you bouncing off of it and tailspinning to the ground, with the structure intact (depending upon the setting). Why not just leave it that way?
Cucks really are ruining gaming.