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It said to retweet if you're not surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
fun fact... any evidence epstein could have petitioned the court to exclude is now automatically in play.
Heres my little "conspiracy" or prediction or whatever you wish to call it. Why do I get the feeling that something really big & bad (and maybe or maybe not unrelated) is going to happen that will conveniently put these headlines on the back burner and fade away like a fart in the wind.
Example: Remember the whole Gary Condit situation? It was all over the news 24/7 and then 9/11 happened and poof it was gone and never to return.
You could add the British Royal family into that list without irony. This story broke 24 hours before the "suicide". Phil the Greek knows how to take care of matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootsy Collins
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...effrey-epstein
Prince Andrew groped young woman's breast at Epstein house, court files allege
I hear that another person was about to be exposed. It is a poker player who runs a 6th tier poker forums. Any truth?
When I saw the Prince is involved I immeditely threw my hat into the Brits are behind it but thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Belly BusterYou could add the British Royal family into that list without irony. This story broke 24 hours before the "suicide". Phil the Greek knows how to take care of matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootsy Collins
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...effrey-epstein
Prince Andrew groped young woman's breast at Epstein house, court files allege
found out that Willy is bound for the throne not Andy
Was that the one where he disappeared his Jewish intern?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordman
If you are feeling shocked to hear he was hanged, imagined how Jeff felt......wow
literally no one saw this coming
Has to be a chance he's alive, either just landed or on his way to Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Those in power could have deemed him a clusterfuck that makes the USA and Israel look bad after/if everything comes out, and Israel would surely want him.
They can legally make him disappear if they start throwing around stuff like it's a state secret, or even in the national interest/security... or so I think they can, I might watch too much TV.
Maxwell just has to be Mossad. Like her daddy.
33% chance he's still breathing!
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I usually avoid quoting wiki, but this is an interesting read on Robert Maxwell. Ghislaine was his favourite.
1948 war
A hint of Maxwell's service to the Israeli state was provided by John Loftus and Mark Aarons, who described Maxwell's contacts with Czechoslovak anti-Stalinist Communist leaders in 1948 as crucial to the Czechoslovak decision to arm Israel in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Czechoslovak military assistance was both unique and crucial for the fledgling state as it battled for its existence. It was Maxwell's covert help in smuggling aircraft parts into Israel that led to the country having air supremacy during their 1948 War of Independence.[41]
Mossad allegations; Vanunu case
The British Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia." He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[42] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogized him and stated: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said."[43]
Shortly before Maxwell's death, a former employee of Israel's Military Intelligence Directorate, Ari Ben-Menashe, approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the U.S. with the allegation that Maxwell and the Daily Mirror's foreign editor, Nicholas Davies, were both long-time agents for Mossad. Ben-Menashe also claimed that in 1986, Maxwell had told the Israeli Embassy in London that Mordechai Vanunu had given information about Israel's nuclear capability to The Sunday Times, then to the Daily Mirror. Vanunu was subsequently kidnapped by Mossad and smuggled to Israel, convicted of treason and imprisoned for eighteen years.[44]
Ben-Menashe's story was ignored at first, but eventually The New Yorker journalist Seymour Hersh repeated some of the allegations during a press conference in London held to publicise The Samson Option, Hersh's book about Israel's nuclear weapons. On 21 October 1991, two MPs, Labour's George Galloway and the Conservative's Rupert Allason (also known as espionage author Nigel West), agreed to raise the issue in the House of Commons under Parliamentary Privilege protection,[45] which in turn allowed British newspapers to report events without fear of libel suits. Maxwell called the claims "ludicrous, a total invention" and sacked Davies.[46] A year later, in Galloway's libel settlement against Mirror Group Newspapers (in which he received "substantial" damages), Galloway's counsel announced that the MP accepted that the group's staff had not been involved in Vanunu's abduction. Galloway himself, however, referred to Maxwell as "one of the worst criminals of the century."[47]
Former MCC inmate: There’s ‘no way’ Jeffrey Epstein killed himself
https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former...illed-himself/
The following account is from a former inmate of the Metropolitan Correction Center in lower Manhattan, where Jeffrey Epstein was found unresponsive Saturday, and declared dead at a hospital of an apparent suicide. The ex-convict, who spoke to The Post’s Brad Hamilton and Bruce Golding on the condition of anonymity, spent several months in the 9 South special housing unit for high-profile prisoners awaiting trial — like Epstein.
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...6&h=820&crop=1
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There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.
Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.
You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.
When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves.
The clothing they give you is a jump-in uniform. Everything is a dark brown color.
Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There’s a steel frame, but you can’t move it. There’s no light fixture. There’s no bars.
They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper.
Nothing hard or made of metal.
And there’s a cop at the door about every nine minutes, whether you’re on suicide watch or not.
There’s up to 80 people there. They could put two in cell. It’s one or two, but I’ll never believe this guy had a cellmate. He was too blown up.
The damage that unit can do to someone.
It’s like you’re an animal and you’ve been brought into a kennel. A guy like Jeffrey, it’s like, “Holy Shit.”
I told my parents not to come there. God wasn’t in the building.
I’ve had some heavy incidents in the building. What happened is permanent.
Some of the guards are on a major power trip. They know guys there are suffering. They know something the rest of the world hasn’t seen, that a place like this exists in this country, and they get off on it.
If the guards see that the guy is breaking, they’re going to help you break.
But it’s my firm belief that Jeffrey Epstein did not commit suicide. It just didn’t happen.
Readers may benefit from what a suicide smock looks like.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
Epstein died in federal custody. The prisons are run by the executive branch. Trump is the president. Draw your own conclusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
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Originally Posted by JayjamiEpstein died in federal custody. The prisons are run by the executive branch. Trump is the president. Draw your own conclusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
ur not even a real person bud. go get me coffee which I don't even drink. Trump is holding the cards on this one like usual as he banned Epstein from mar-a-lago
if you are scared to death about some guy having blackmail over you, u don't offend them with a ban do u. KILL YOURSELF for being an easily manipulated drone
have we mentioned that his accusers get absolutely nothing from his billions of dollars because he topped himself before a judgement could be made?
People saying that is a picture of Anthony Bourdain.Quote:
Originally Posted by devideeNevermind guys. Looks like the Mossad faked his death to get him out of jail.
(((knew it)))
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/n...al-center.html
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Jeffrey Epstein, the financier who apparently hanged himself in a federal jail in Manhattan, was supposed to have been checked by guards every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not being followed the night before he was found, a law-enforcement official with knowledge of his detention said.
In addition, the jail had transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone in a cell just two weeks after he had been taken off suicide watch, a decision that also violated the jail’s normal procedure, two officials said.
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The law-enforcement official said that when the decision was made to remove Mr. Epstein from suicide watch, the jail informed the Justice Department that Mr. Epstein would have a cellmate and that a guard “would look into his cell” every 30 minutes.
But that was apparently not done, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the death was still under investigation.
duped_samaritan: fake stats
u need directions back to the kiddie table or can u figure it out, smollet boy??
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Actually that's not the case. His estate will be substituted and the case will go. In one sense it will be worse b/c he won't be there to dispute a lot of it. On the other hand, at least in the State I practice in -- which I would think is the same in most if not all of the other states, you can't recover punitive damages from a dead guy, so there is that.
Somebody fact check the above. There is maybe a 50/50 chance coffee boy has anything rightQuote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Actually that's not the case. His estate will be substituted and the case will go. In one sense it will be worse b/c he won't be there to dispute a lot of it. On the other hand, at least in the State I practice in -- which I would think is the same in most if not all of the other states, you can't recover punitive damages from a dead guy, so there is that.
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Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Actually that's not the case. His estate will be substituted and the case will go. In one sense it will be worse b/c he won't be there to dispute a lot of it. On the other hand, at least in the State I practice in -- which I would think is the same in most if not all of the other states, you can't recover punitive damages from a dead guy, so there is that.
explain please; what other damages could his victims collect if not punitive? i expect im fumbling a subtle/legal definition of the word here..
https://youtu.be/B_obeR1OIm8Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
General damages; pain and suffering for the unlawful battery/intentional infliction of emotional distress, inter alia; there is very little limit on them as it is left the “enlightened conscience of a fair and impartial jury.”Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
explain please; what other damages could his victims collect if not punitive? i expect im fumbling a subtle/legal definition of the word here..
As a practical matter the fight is going to come with regard to who the executor of the estate is and how many of his assets will be identifiable much less recoverable. He probably also has some umbrella policies that could cover some of the claims and the insurance will also survive his death.
I remember similar discussion with the Aaron Hernandez suicide. If he’s never found guilty it would b more difficult to get anything civilly..... not sure what the fallout was.Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendGeneral damages; pain and suffering for the unlawful battery/intentional infliction of emotional distress, inter alia; there is very little limit on them as it is left the “enlightened conscience of a fair and impartial jury.”Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
As a practical matter the fight is going to come with regard to who the executor of the estate is and how many of his assets will be identifiable much less recoverable. He probably also has some umbrella policies that could cover some of the claims and the insurance will also survive his death.
There's your problem right there. Money pays for all this shitQuote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendGeneral damages; pain and suffering for the unlawful battery/intentional infliction of emotional distress, inter alia; there is very little limit on them as it is left the “enlightened conscience of a fair and impartial jury.”Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
As a practical matter the fight is going to come with regard to who the executor of the estate is and how many of his assets will be identifiable much less recoverable. He probably also has some umbrella policies that could cover some of the claims and the insurance will also survive his death.
double de-caffe espresso thanks
if memory serves his estate settled with the murders he was thought to have committed prior to the owden Lloyd murder...Quote:
Originally Posted by DalyI remember similar discussion with the Aaron Hernandez suicide. If he’s never found guilty it would b more difficult to get anything civilly..... not sure what the fallout was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
OJ was found innocent and still had to pay millions civilly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DalyI remember similar discussion with the Aaron Hernandez suicide. If he’s never found guilty it would b more difficult to get anything civilly..... not sure what the fallout was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
Punitive damages go to the state always. Compensatory goes to the victims. The theory behind punitive is it's a punishment and the victim doesn't have the right to punish but the state does.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
explain please; what other damages could his victims collect if not punitive? i expect im fumbling a subtle/legal definition of the word here..
Wonder what kind of shape his will was in.
This guy was EXTREMELY wealthy. It sounded like he might of controlled over 100 million in apartments alone in NYC. He tipped well I read. This guy was a true .01%er in terms of wealth and it all appears to be unexplained.
The fight to make his will public, etc will be interesting. This guy had unexplained wealth on another level.
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Originally Posted by SidewinderPunitive damages go to the state always. Compensatory goes to the victims. The theory behind punitive is it's a punishment and the victim doesn't have the right to punish but the state does.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Wonder what kind of shape his will was in.
This guy was EXTREMELY wealthy. It sounded like he might of controlled over 100 million in apartments alone in NYC. He tipped well I read. This guy was a true .01%er in terms of wealth and it all appears to be unexplained.
The fight to make his will public, etc will be interesting. This guy had unexplained wealth on another level.
there are simply no obvious holes in the theory that he compromised people through honeypots then offered to 'fix' it if they let him handle their money, which in turn he dumped into s&p 500 or whatever while he raw dogged euro tween models on his flying castle.
Who amonst us expects true justice....? The guy was offed in federal prison. Even if he directed someone to deliver a fatal needle it's all the same. It's untenable corruption. Joe average is a sucker at this point. The most guilty are not brought to trial. The rich have their way. I have no faith whatsoever in true justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by SidewinderPunitive damages go to the state always. Compensatory goes to the victims. The theory behind punitive is it's a punishment and the victim doesn't have the right to punish but the state does.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Wonder what kind of shape his will was in.
This guy was EXTREMELY wealthy. It sounded like he might of controlled over 100 million in apartments alone in NYC. He tipped well I read. This guy was a true .01%er in terms of wealth and it all appears to be unexplained.
The fight to make his will public, etc will be interesting. This guy had unexplained wealth on another level.
You might as well revolt now....Fuck the idiots going after Walmart shoppers, direct your attention on the worst people in society.....those in power......shoot because you cannot miss
In a world that O.J. walks, just fucking forget it
can you sue for compensatory damages for something like Epstein did? gonna guess the answer is yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by SidewinderPunitive damages go to the state always. Compensatory goes to the victims. The theory behind punitive is it's a punishment and the victim doesn't have the right to punish but the state does.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Wonder what kind of shape his will was in.
This guy was EXTREMELY wealthy. It sounded like he might of controlled over 100 million in apartments alone in NYC. He tipped well I read. This guy was a true .01%er in terms of wealth and it all appears to be unexplained.
The fight to make his will public, etc will be interesting. This guy had unexplained wealth on another level.
so assuming that is yes, who determines how this is handled from Epstein's end? who the hell knows what he's worth, but let's just say it's a billion...if im the heir to all that dough and these victims come through, instead of going through the courts why the hell not just float $250-500M at 'em, make 'em go away and collect the rest...assuming whoever is inheriting all of this money can't get their hands on it until it's adjudicated through the courts and i'm guessing that shit can take awhile...
looked and found the aaron Hernandez thing (https://nesn.com/2019/07/aaron-herna...tims-families/)
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Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Sidewinder
there are simply no obvious holes in the theory that he compromised people through honeypots then offered to 'fix' it if they let him handle their money, which in turn he dumped into s&p 500 or whatever while he raw dogged euro tween models on his flying castle.
Yeah this is going to be one of those stories we’re never going to hear and it’s probably quite amazing. The dude was born to middle class parents, went to public school, didn’t graduate college, and generated massive wealth and had influence not befitting his background. That just doesn’t happen without anyone knowing how you made your money. Rumors of being an intelligence asset. Rumors of what you said. That seems most likely, but there is almost nothing you could make up with this guy where it strikes me as outlandish. We live in a conspiracy theory world, and you can handwave almost all of them away as absurd, but with this guy, anything seems plausible.
Juries (unless the jury trial is waved and a judge hears the case) award punitive and compensatory damages once they award a verdict for the plaintiff. There are usually state limits on compensatory damages. The juries are aware of the distinctions when they litigate damages once they have litigated blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPeniscan you sue for compensatory damages for something like Epstein did? gonna guess the answer is yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidewinder
so assuming that is yes, who determines how this is handled from Epstein's end? who the hell knows what he's worth, but let's just say it's a billion...if im the heir to all that dough and these victims come through, instead of going through the courts why the hell not just float $250-500M at 'em, make 'em go away and collect the rest...assuming whoever is inheriting all of this money can't get their hands on it until it's adjudicated through the courts and i'm guessing that shit can take awhile...
looked and found the aaron Hernandez thing (https://nesn.com/2019/07/aaron-herna...tims-families/)
I assume his estate will be tied up in lawsuits for a long time. There is $$ there and the lawyers, victims, fake victims, etc all will want a piece of it.
What if his estate sues the jail for not keeping safe an obviously suicidal inmate? I mean sure, why not?
And how much of a salary was he paying all those older women whose job it was to recruit the young girls? Those ladies helping him find the talent had to be ringing the cash register like a boss.
obv everybody is gonna want a piece of the money pot...Quote:
Originally Posted by SidewinderJuries (unless the jury trial is waved and a judge hears the case) award punitive and compensatory damages once they award a verdict for the plaintiff. There are usually state limits on compensatory damages. The juries are aware of the distinctions when they litigate damages once they have litigated blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
I assume his estate will be tied up in lawsuits for a long time. There is $$ there and the lawyers, victims, fake victims, etc all will want a piece of it.
What if his estate sues the jail for not keeping safe an obviously suicidal inmate? I mean sure, why not?
And how much of a salary was he paying all those older women whose job it was to recruit the young girls? Those ladies helping him find the talent had to be ringing the cash register like a boss.
so you're saying that even if his estate/benefactor/whoever wanted to just say 'fuck it' here's a shitton of money they couldn't do that basically because they have no idea what the amount of a lawsuit might be even if $250-500M is a stupidly absurd amount of money that will cover all damages?
Epstein was the goat
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Originally Posted by SidewinderPunitive damages go to the state always. Compensatory goes to the victims. The theory behind punitive is it's a punishment and the victim doesn't have the right to punish but the state does.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Wonder what kind of shape his will was in.
This guy was EXTREMELY wealthy. It sounded like he might of controlled over 100 million in apartments alone in NYC. He tipped well I read. This guy was a true .01%er in terms of wealth and it all appears to be unexplained.
The fight to make his will public, etc will be interesting. This guy had unexplained wealth on another level.
Can't speak as to every state obv, but in all of the states I'm familiar with the plaintiff can get some portion of the punitives, though a large portion of them are taxed and/or go to the State.
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Originally Posted by limitlesWho amonst us expects true justice....? The guy was offed in federal prison. Even if he directed someone to deliver a fatal needle it's all the same. It's untenable corruption. Joe average is a sucker at this point. The most guilty are not brought to trial. The rich have their way. I have no faith whatsoever in true justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidewinder
You might as well revolt now....Fuck the idiots going after Walmart shoppers, direct your attention on the worst people in society.....those in power......shoot because you cannot miss
In a world that O.J. walks, just fucking forget it
It has always been this way and will likely remain so. But no, it isn't fair or right. Karma exists however.
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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPeniscan you sue for compensatory damages for something like Epstein did? gonna guess the answer is yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidewinder
so assuming that is yes, who determines how this is handled from Epstein's end? who the hell knows what he's worth, but let's just say it's a billion...if im the heir to all that dough and these victims come through, instead of going through the courts why the hell not just float $250-500M at 'em, make 'em go away and collect the rest...assuming whoever is inheriting all of this money can't get their hands on it until it's adjudicated through the courts and i'm guessing that shit can take awhile...
looked and found the aaron Hernandez thing (https://nesn.com/2019/07/aaron-herna...tims-families/)
compensatory damages are just a part of the "general damages I described above" and encompass pain and suffering, etc.
His estate will take a decade to wind down.
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Originally Posted by SidewinderJuries (unless the jury trial is waved and a judge hears the case) award punitive and compensatory damages once they award a verdict for the plaintiff. There are usually state limits on compensatory damages. The juries are aware of the distinctions when they litigate damages once they have litigated blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
I assume his estate will be tied up in lawsuits for a long time. There is $$ there and the lawyers, victims, fake victims, etc all will want a piece of it.
What if his estate sues the jail for not keeping safe an obviously suicidal inmate? I mean sure, why not?
And how much of a salary was he paying all those older women whose job it was to recruit the young girls? Those ladies helping him find the talent had to be ringing the cash register like a boss.
You are right, the receiver (see below) or whoever the claim is likely assigned to will sue the jail for allowing the suicide. These are difficult claims, but frankly given the facts as we now know them, it will likely be able to reach a jury. In NY it's probably worth something. Down here where I practice it would be worthless except for the chance of an assessed attorney fee award following w a nominal verdict at best.
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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenisobv everybody is gonna want a piece of the money pot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidewinder
so you're saying that even if his estate/benefactor/whoever wanted to just say 'fuck it' here's a shitton of money they couldn't do that basically because they have no idea what the amount of a lawsuit might be even if $250-500M is a stupidly absurd amount of money that will cover all damages?
Ultimately that is how it will go down. It is just going to take a long time b/c with him dead there will be even more "victims" coming out of the closet so to speak. I'm sure Epstein had been squirling away as much as he could since these allegations came out again, but you'd be surprised how much of that can be traced back given the proper motivation -- which exists here.
Also, the Executor will as mentioned end up filing a federal suit for allowing him to off himself. Any proceeds would go to the Estate and thereafter to the victims depending on how all of this shakes out.
I would expect the Court to appoint a receiver or sorts to take over the administration of this Estate and disregard the chosen Executor who I am sure is his brother and will naturally be biased and therefore unbondable.
i have never ever heard of the state getting even one cent of a punitive damage award brought by an individual, at least not in typical tort cases such as the ones that would be brought by epstein's victims.
there would be no incentive for the plaintiff to waste resources seeking them.