Im amazed at the amount of absolute cuckolds we have on an NWP offshoot site.
Im amazed at the amount of absolute cuckolds we have on an NWP offshoot site.
Now, now. Druff can totally empathize with women who are “in trouble” and need an abortion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayjami
Thank God there are men like you around to morally judge women and save their babies. BTW Druff, how many times have you been pregnant?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
If I am Pro Life, what are you, it's that simple.
Anyone who would not just choose to kill a child but actually fight/picket/yell etc in order to do so is a sick person. period.
If you are pro baby killer I bet there is a super selfish reason why, otherwise you are simply mentally ill.
The obvious (and extreme) response is the 13 year old who got raped by her father and then didn't tell anyone until she was clearly pregnant example.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
It's just not that simple and you're a piece of shit for thinking otherwise.
First off, what do you define as "legitimate-for-medical-reasons" late term abortions?Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyBy making legitimate-for-medical-reasons late term abortions illegal, you are effectively inviting financially-incentivized unethical doctors to “rush to fill the market void” given that outright prohibition of *any* late term abortion will drive up the market price. So, congratulations! You will have effectively created the nightmare scenario of legions of unethical doctors commiting unethical abortions that you scaremonger about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The New York bill simply states that a late term abortion (up until the end of pregnancy) can occur in order to save the "life or health" of the mother, with "health" left undefined and super broad.
I don't understand your second point. Are you saying that black market abortion doctors performing late term abortions would make more underground than being able to perform a ton of LEGAL late term abortions?
If so, LOL.
It's not even close.
Besides, this argument isn't about money. It's about the ethics of killing a fully formed baby when the life of the mother is not in danger.
I'm stating that it's a bunch of bullshit to claim that the "decision should be made between a woman and her doctor" when tons of unethical doctors will step in to fill the role of baby killer if it's legal, and it's outrageous that such murder would be legalized as long as a doctor puts his rubber stamp on it.
Aside from the mother's life being in danger from the pregnancy (or SEVERE potential medical consequences), it should never be legal to kill a fully formed human baby, whether in or outside the womb.
The fact that the left is arguing for this shows just how callous they've been all along regarding abortion and the fact that they're killing a baby. The argument has gone from, "We're just ending the pregnancy when it's a clump of cells" to "It's the woman's body, so she has a right to kill the fully formed human inside of her."
Unbelievable.
Even more unbelievable is the fact that these same leftists think it's horrible to put a mass murderer to death, even with 100% ironclad evidence against him.
Make no mistake.
The left isn't fighting for late-term abortion to protect the rights of the TINY percentage of women who have their lives threatened by a pregnancy.
It's not about that.
In fact, almost everyone on the right AGREES that late-term abortion is fine if the mother's life is truly in danger.
This isn't about protecting women's lives.
It's about what the far left has wanted all along, regarding abortion: Allowing women to kill babies up until moments before birth.
The left erroneously sees this as a women's rights issue, instead of a human rights issue.
The left erroneously sees this about the rights of one person, when in fact it's the rights of two people.
Once you have a fully formed human being, you can no longer discard it like a broken appliance. It should have rights just like an infant outside of the womb -- again with the only exception being when the mother's life would be in danger.
I don't think a lot of you realize what a tiny percentage of abortions are due to threats to the mother's life. Absolutely tiny percentage.
This is about the left and their ridiculous gender war. If something "empowers" women, it's automatically deemed good, even if it opens the door for murder, right? The important thing is to stop those mean, evil, heterosexual white males from making decisions about women's bodies!
Scene: Doctor's Appointment, New York, August 2019
Woman (to herself): Damnit, my boyfriend left me, I'm broke and 7 months pregnant. I don't want this baby anymore! I just hope I can qualify for that abortion for medical reasons somehow!
Doctor: Hi, can I help you?
Woman: Yes, I would like to have an abortion, but I think we're past the deadline, right?
Doctor: You're past the 24 week deadline to do it for any reason, yes. But we can explore your options. Tell me, are you experiencing any pain?
Woman: Well yeah, my back hurts a lot, but I heard that lots of pregnant women have....
Doctor: Ah, back pain! Let me examine. Does it hurt here? Yes? Here? Yes? Here? Yes? Well, this looks like you face the likelihood of a severe spinal-related disability which will affect your mobility if you have this baby!
Woman: Really? I mean, it's not terrible, it just kinda hurts me all day and when I try to fall asleep.
Doctor: These things can get a lot worse. You need to protect your own health first! Now, can you tell me how you're feeling mentally?
Woman: Not very good, my boyfriend just left me, and I'm 7 months pregnant.
Doctor: Have you been depressed recently to the point where it occupies all of your thoughts and interferes with daily life?
Woman: Well yeah, I've been kinda freaking out about this.
Doctor: I see. Well, this seems like the beginning of major depressive disorder, brought on by the pregnancy. You qualify for an abortion at 7 months, as both your mental health and your ability to walk and function normally are in danger.
Woman: That's great, I guess. So you can do this now?
Doctor: Right this way...
This is what a 7-month pregnancy looks like:
http://www.babies.sutterhealth.org/images/wc_fd_f-7.jpg
Totally okay to abort that simple clump of cells, right?
Disgusting.
Scene: 13 year old girls bedroom, Alabama, August 2019
Girl: "daddy no, that hurts!"
Father: "don't you tell anyone or I'll hurt mommy!"
---4 months later---
Girl: "mommy, my tummy hurts"
Mother: "ok lets go to doctor"
Doctor: "she's pregnant"
Mother: "how did this happen? who put their penis inside of you!"
Daughter: "daddy did, but i promised not to tell!"
Doctor: "sorry, abortion is illegal, Congrats though, you're going to be a mother!"
Druff, it’s so good to see your empathy for children become so heightened in this election cycle. I’m looking forward to your newly expressed compassion for the little ones motivating you to support one of these Democrats in the election next year!
We asked all the 2020 Democrats how they’d fix child care. Here’s what they said.
The American child care system is failing everyone. Now it’s finally becoming an election issue.
https://www.vox.com/2019/5/22/183028...kids-president
Notice that your example involves "4 months later", not "7 months later".Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
You're not even making a case for late term abortion with the example above.
Again, why are you stating these super-rare extreme cases in order to legalize late term abortion?
Wouldn't it simply be better to write these extremes into the law into the first place, rather than broadly allow late-term abortion on permission from a (possibly shady) doctor?
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Originally Posted by duped_samaritanThe obvious (and extreme) response is the 13 year old who got raped by her father and then didn't tell anyone until she was clearly pregnant example.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
It's just not that simple and you're a piece of shit for thinking otherwise.
I love this but a teen girl was raped argument because it is indeed an extreme 1% case, if. SO the left use this extreme case to kill the other 99% of babies for no reason besides selfishness.
And btw killing the baby of a rape is also killing half of you. That baby that life did nothing wrong and is also part of you, you may not like where the other half came from or how it came but its there, its precious life and its innocent.
The problem is that most of the country does not realize the huge increase of late term abortion and after birth murders due to "medical" reasons. Give them a inch and they are taking a foot. Not sure how these mass murderers sleep at night, sick people. Oh wait that's right a woman who has an abortion is 3-6 times more likely to commit suicide hhhhmmm
Are there any impartial statistics you know of that we can use to continue this debate? Not being a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPieceQuote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
I love this but a teen girl was raped argument because it is indeed an extreme 1% case, if. SO the left use this extreme case to kill the other 99% of babies for no reason besides selfishness.
And btw killing the baby of a rape is also killing half of you. That baby that life did nothing wrong and is also part of you, you may not like where the other half came from or how it came but its there, its precious life and its innocent.
The problem is that most of the country does not realize the huge increase of late term abortion and after birth murders due to "medical" reasons. Give them a inch and they are taking a foot. Not sure how these mass murderers sleep at night, sick people. Oh wait that's right a woman who has an abortion is 3-6 times more likely to commit suicide hhhhmmm
You gave an extreme case and I responded with one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
How rare are they?
And how often does a 9 months pregnant woman want to kill her child for selfish reasons?
I don't know, and I don't think you know either.
if you oppose late term abortion cause the baby's viable (i.e., a person), i'm not sure why you would be ok with it in cases of rape or incest. i don't get the moral argument for that.
(and i'm pro-choice but not for late term)
I can say I have read that rape and the inclusion of incest were the reason given for approx. 1-1.5% and that stat has as far as I can google has never been debated among pro choice individuals. In fact CNN (liberal obviously) just ran a huge piece on reasons why women have abortions besides rape or incest because they know that argument is weak. They list everything from I didn't want a third kid to my bc failed or I am poor etc. They also claim 1 in 4 women have had one but what they don't tell you is the majority are African American women. So the fight for abortion is really a fight for keeping the black population lower, just sayin these bleeding heart liberals keep eating their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritanAre there any impartial statistics you know of that we can use to continue this debate? Not being a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
There must be an impartial site with stats, Ill look.
That's fair. I'm against late term (third trimester) abortion unless there's a serious risk predicted for the mother and or child.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
My original response was to DonaldsHairPiece claiming "it's just that simple" and the second in response to Druff freaking out about the far left murderers.
In reality, I don't think the left is in favor of late term abortion except under very specific circumstances. I also don't think the right is in favor of no abortions ever, no matter what, including incest, rape, being a raped 13 year old, etc.
It's really complicated and something I believe should be decided by doctors (who have taken the hippocratic oath) and women. The government has no business getting involved, especially a bunch of red necks from Alabama.
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Originally Posted by duped_samaritanThat's fair. I'm against late term (third trimester) abortion unless there's a serious risk predicted for the mother and or child.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
My original response was to DonaldsHairPiece claiming "it's just that simple" and the second in response to Druff freaking out about the far left murderers.
In reality, I don't think the left is in favor of late term abortion except under very specific circumstances. I also don't think the right is in favor of no abortions ever, no matter what, including incest, rape, being a raped 13 year old, etc.
It's really complicated and something I believe should be decided by doctors (who have taken the hippocratic oath) and women. The government has no business getting involved, especially a bunch of red necks from Alabama.
Trust the doctors LOL The very bias doctors who have no issue pulling a living child out of a womb by the neck and killing it or sticking it with a needle like a dog, give me a break. Trust those doctors, not in a million years.
And to add to it, money yes money is involved, they harvest these organs and often the whole child for research and a big money making aspet to this exists, it runs deeper and sicker than you think.
just fyi i wasn't directing my original comment to you specifically though it might have looked like i was.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritanThat's fair. I'm against late term (third trimester) abortion unless there's a serious risk predicted for the mother and or child.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
My original response was to DonaldsHairPiece claiming "it's just that simple" and the second in response to Druff freaking out about the far left murderers.
In reality, I don't think the left is in favor of late term abortion except under very specific circumstances. I also don't think the right is in favor of no abortions ever, no matter what, including incest, rape, being a raped 13 year old, etc.
It's really complicated and something I believe should be decided by doctors (who have taken the hippocratic oath) and women. The government has no business getting involved, especially a bunch of red necks from Alabama.
but since you mention it, i'm not sure why you think the government doesn't have any business getting involved with banning third-trimester abortions. if you are against late term abortions because it equates to killing a child, why would that be different from how we treat the murder of adults, which the government prohibits?
i'm sure (or at least hopeful) that the rate of late term abortions where the life of the mother was not at stake is rare. but i don't get why the rarity of that circumstance should be a factor in deciding whether or not to prohibit it.
Are you guys really arguing that we should trust politicians but not doctors when it comes to giving birth?
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Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
My choice is to trust baby killers or a politician, agreed its a tough call but ya Ill go with the politician in this case, not all but this one yes.
That blows my mind, but you're obviously not the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPieceQuote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
My choice is to trust baby killers or a politician, agreed its a tough call but ya Ill go with the politician in this case, not all but this one yes.
The world has too many fucking people. A great plan is having all these unproductive women spit our more unproductive people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffYes, because there are no unethical doctors out there, nor are there any women who would kill their baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayjami
Let's just make the murder of fully formed human beings legal, and trust that women and doctors will always do the right thing.
In fact, let's just make all forms of murder legal, as long as a doctor signs off on it.
Sounds like a great plan.
What is greater is how guys like you complain about big government this and big government that.
What is your take on the death penalty? I seem to remember you complaining about liberals who are against the death penalty? (Or do I have your opinion wrong?) Where is the consistency in that? Somehow government should decide whom should be killed?
I'll tell you guys where the consistency is in a bit. The consistency isn't about giving a shit about the kids themselves. Druff gets all high and mighty but we goddam know good and well he isn't lining up giving away $ to the poor.
No folks, most of this anti-abortion sentiment is so that people can sit around and look in the mirror and CONSISTENTLY think of how moral and just the are. It is all feedback to themselves. Signaling. All that shit. SJWs do it. Conservatives do it for abortion. Most of them don't really truly give a fuck. If they gave a fuck, they'd be stopping the climate from being wrecked and killing off most bio-diversity. But why aren't they? Oh, because they don't get the positive feedback from their peers, which is really all this anti-abortion shit is about.
GTFO !
why do you think a doctor would refuse to give a late term abortion? and if you want to preclude that, what is wrong with making a law? we do that for every act we want to stopQuote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
Is that a raw statistic, or controlled for income and maritial status?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPieceI can say I have read that rape and the inclusion of incest were the reason given for approx. 1-1.5% and that stat has as far as I can google has never been debated among pro choice individuals. In fact CNN (liberal obviously) just ran a huge piece on reasons why women have abortions besides rape or incest because they know that argument is weak. They list everything from I didn't want a third kid to my bc failed or I am poor etc. They also claim 1 in 4 women have had one but what they don't tell you is the majority are African American women. So the fight for abortion is really a fight for keeping the black population lower, just sayin these bleeding heart liberals keep eating their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
There must be an impartial site with stats, Ill look.
Then why are you against it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
Once you have a beating heart you should not be allowed to abort. The only exception is if the woman was raped. There are plenty of manageable ways for consenting adults to use birth control, it's literally inexcusable in my opinion to just throw $500 at a doctor because you're stupid.
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Originally Posted by donkdowndonedied
One is an innocent baby that can't even make decisions yet and the other is being put to death for a horrible crime they chose to commit. Are you that stupid to make the comparison?
Take the stat how youd like, just what I read.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyIs that a raw statistic, or controlled for income and maritial status?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
Roughly and it varies State to State according to the CDC black women have 4-5 abortions for every white woman's 1.X over the last 17 years I think they said.
I suspect many have them due to economic factors or simply not wanting another child since.
More recent studies show nearly 47% of black pregnancies end in abortion! That is HUUUUUUGE!
Where as whites 16%.
Also 79% of all abortion clinics are located within walking distance to blacks and hispanic's, don't tell me these clinics don't know their customers.
This is why I shake my head at the left, they literally eat and kill their own.
This is actually a discussion some take a look at politically. If no black woman had an abortion the black population in the US may be as high as 36%+ higher than it currently sits which has political/fiscal impact, for the good and bad depends where your heart is.
So, what you are saying in the latter half of your comments here that black women and families would be better off today if those women who chose to have *legal* abortions instead either (1) had children they didn’t want, probably because those additional children would further impoverish them given the welfare reforms in the 90s that essentially gutted welfare benefits for single mothers who had to stay home to take care of their kids, or (2) had illegal abortions that had a much higher risk of death?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPieceTake the stat how youd like, just what I read.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Roughly and it varies State to State according to the CDC black women have 4-5 abortions for every white woman's 1.X over the last 17 years I think they said.
I suspect many have them due to economic factors or simply not wanting another child since.
More recent studies show nearly 47% of black pregnancies end in abortion! That is HUUUUUUGE!
Where as whites 16%.
Also 79% of all abortion clinics are located within walking distance to blacks and hispanic's, don't tell me these clinics don't know their customers.
This is why I shake my head at the left, they literally eat and kill their own.
This is actually a discussion some take a look at politically. If no black woman had an abortion the black population in the US may be as high as 36%+ higher than it currently sits which has political/fiscal impact, for the good and bad depends where your heart is.
I see, you are trying to be clever.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlySo, what you are saying in the latter half of your comments here that black women and families would be better off today if those women who chose to have *legal* abortions instead either (1) had children they didn’t want, probably because those additional children would further impoverish them given the welfare reforms in the 90s that essentially gutted welfare benefits for single mothers who had to stay home to take care of their kids, or (2) had illegal abortions that had a much higher risk of death?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
How about we teach safe/protected sex to these communities rather than fund the abortions, how about we don't kill babies for financial reasons especially targeting specific races because they are poor. As far as illegal abortions which risk the mother's life, that is a sad situation but how is it you now ask me to value that life over the babies and feel that makes sense.
Too many holes and selfish excuses involved in killing babies, doesn't look good on ya.
Sorry my man but you will never tax me enough to get me to feel killing babies is ok but nice try.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
So what you're saying is they play to their base, like dems say they care about women yet also champion transgender competition or how they are for the African American yet pass laws that put them in jails, make aborting their babies easier or how they say they don't like walls but live behind them or how socialist policy is good and rich white men are bad yet get wealthy while in office themselves or how collusion is what Trump did but not Obama or Clinton on run ways or via the FBI?
Ill admit there are hypocrites throughout the system but Id like to believe ultimately the people on both sides truly stand for what they say they do and the way a politician who supposedly represents them but rather appears to represent them self does not negate the issue entirely.
:scalirQuote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPieceQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
So what you're saying is they play to their base, like dems say they care about women yet also champion transgender competition or how they are for the African American yet pass laws that put them in jails, make aborting their babies easier or how they say they don't like walls but live behind them or how socialist policy is good and rich white men are bad yet get wealthy while in office themselves or how collusion is what Trump did but not Obama or Clinton on run ways or via the FBI?
Ill admit there are hypocrites throughout the system but Id like to believe ultimately the people on both sides truly stand for what they say they do and the way a politician who supposedly represents them but rather appears to represent them self does not negate the issue entirely.