This is why you never gamble with money you cant afford to lose. simple. dont know why people cant just do this.
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This is why you never gamble with money you cant afford to lose. simple. dont know why people cant just do this.
people don't pay with ther life anymore. most scammers/non-payers know nothing will happen to them physically so they keep doing what they do. it wont stop until we get back to the basics with people that do those scummy things like that. They need to start getting hurt/killed like they did back in the old west and even the mobster days.
or maybe i'm just sick in the head.
http://www.vegetariansareevil.com/images/naive.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by tommyt
DN with a new post on 2+2 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...6/index49.html
Thoughts?
Daniel had to write something like this, or everyone would really get on his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoyMillersMeatCurtains
Still way too pro-EDog, but that's to be expected, since Erick is his friend.
What Daniel leaves out is the fact that Erick continued to live a lavish lifestyle and bet huge on sports (plus lots of other stuff) while owing so many people money.
It's not even like the poker player with $20k to his name that owes $500,000, and he needs to use that $20k as a bankroll to get out of the hole.
As Haralabob put it, Erick could have sat back and done nothing for two years, and paid off every debt. He couldn't do it because he was a selfish gambling addict.
The only thing I agree with Negreanu's post is that Lindgren didn't set out to scam anyone. He really talked himself into believing that he'd be able to pay them all back one day. Still, that could be said for many of the scumbags in poker that borrow money under false or semi-false pretenses, so that's not much of a defense.
Lindgren is fucked. The $3 million per year cushion has evaporated, and he really has no way to make anywhere near the money he owes.
My big question: How the fuck did a bright, grounded guy like Haralabob end up being owed what is likely 7 figures by a guy like Erick?
I can't wrap my head around the figure he may owed Bob. I wondered the same thing. I'm not entirely impressed with DN's post but I will reserve judgment until his Vlog. It sure came across sugar coated IMO. DN states he's more of the "new school" type thinking re:outing mofos's when they don't pay. How is it he won't out other scammers?
pretty obvious DN was extra cautious with his choice of words in his latest post so the trolls didn't jump all over him
DruffQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffDaniel had to write something like this, or everyone would really get on his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoyMillersMeatCurtains
Still way too pro-EDog, but that's to be expected, since Erick is his friend.
Read what Daniel wrote. Would you write the same about neverwin back in the day when he was called out?
Exactly.
Draw your horns in here.
Yeah. I thought that was pretty harsh attack by DN on a friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeamRazorDruffQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffDaniel had to write something like this, or everyone would really get on his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoyMillersMeatCurtains
Still way too pro-EDog, but that's to be expected, since Erick is his friend.
Read what Daniel wrote. Would you write the same about neverwin back in the day when he was called out?
Exactly.
Draw your horns in here.
Neverwin is still getting called out. NW was mentioned in the Lindgren thread for owing fantasy money. There is also a thread in the high stakes limit section called is NW trying to rob me? It is by some player who lent NW money and had no idea he was such a degen. Every once in a while someone bumps it with a nice bit of NW related fun and I get a bit of a chuckle.
Didn't NW empty his roommate's(spyder44) PS account when NW went on a down swing? I am pretty sure this was pre-pill addiction and NW was just a gambling addict.
I don't remember Druff or Micon calling out NW or mentioning it at all. I didn't listen to all of the radio shows if you said something about NW there.
By my reasoning the figure is likely to be 2 million or more. Negreanu states it was an insanely insane sum of money and then a paragraph later says he is owed 500k meaning this sum has to be quite a bit more than that. Bob also mentioned that Erick has paid back 80% and he thinks the figure he is owed is probably still the most that Erick Owns anyone. That would be 400k if it was 2 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffMy big question: How the fuck did a bright, grounded guy like Haralabob end up being owed what is likely 7 figures by a guy like Erick?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoyMillersMeatCurtains
Bob has always seemed very likable on his TV appearances and posts on 2+2. I drew from Bob's post that he knew Erick was a part of Team Full Tilt and realized that Erick had huge sums coming in every month. I am not sure if Bob put any juice on the price, at this point I am certain he would be happy just receiving anymore money. I have lent decently large sums of money to friends that took a while to pay back but they always did. I don't think being smart or grounded has anything to do with lending what was likely a friend a large chunk of money, although had this turned into a justin smith part 2, Bob could have definitely only blamed himself for lending large amounts.
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Originally Posted by John StamosBy my reasoning the figure is likely to be 2 million or more. Negreanu states it was an insanely insane sum of money and then a paragraph later says he is owed 500k meaning this sum has to be quite a bit more than that. Bob also mentioned that Erick has paid back 80% and he thinks the figure he is owed is probably still the most that Erick Owns anyone. That would be 400k if it was 2 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffQuote:
Originally Posted by JoyMillersMeatCurtains
My big question: How the fuck did a bright, grounded guy like Haralabob end up being owed what is likely 7 figures by a guy like Erick?
Bob has always seemed very likable on his TV appearances and posts on 2+2. I drew from Bob's post that he knew Erick was a part of Team Full Tilt and realized that Erick had huge sums coming in every month. I am not sure if Bob put any juice on the price, at this point I am certain he would be happy just receiving anymore money. I have lent decently large sums of money to friends that took a while to pay back but they always did. I don't think being smart or grounded has anything to do with lending what was likely a friend a large chunk of money, although had this turned into a justin smith part 2, Bob could have definitely only blamed himself for lending large amounts.
its amazing how quickly this site is being used as a venue for quality content like this and there are many active posters. instead of on DD where about 6 or 7 horrible faggots drive insightful and thoughtful posters away in droves
obv not Todd's # 1 fan, but its hilarious to me how he has raped DD literally overnight for the best posters and there is more readable content here in the last 36 hours than there has been on 'that other site' for the last 6 months.
I hope Todd remains rigid on his criteria for allowing members to post here and doesn't let it turn into a fuck fest of useless pubescent assholes.
oh and John Stamos is God obv
I used to be a big DN fanboy back in the day. I even joined FCP & post there under the same handle as here. Unfortunately, DN has shown himself to be a hypocrite on a lot of fronts, most of them when it comes to his friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by bukowski72Yeah. I thought that was pretty harsh attack by DN on a friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeamRazorDruffQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffDaniel had to write something like this, or everyone would really get on his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoyMillersMeatCurtains
Still way too pro-EDog, but that's to be expected, since Erick is his friend.
Read what Daniel wrote. Would you write the same about neverwin back in the day when he was called out?
Exactly.
Draw your horns in here.
Neverwin is still getting called out. NW was mentioned in the Lindgren thread for owing fantasy money. There is also a thread in the high stakes limit section called is NW trying to rob me? It is by some player who lent NW money and had no idea he was such a degen. Every once in a while someone bumps it with a nice bit of NW related fun and I get a bit of a chuckle.
Didn't NW empty his roommate's(spyder44) PS account when NW went on a down swing? I am pretty sure this was pre-pill addiction and NW was just a gambling addict.
I don't remember Druff or Micon calling out NW or mentioning it at all. I didn't listen to all of the radio shows if you said something about NW there.
How he can attack Annie Duke, which I believe deserves all the criticism she gets, & give Phil Hellmuth a total pass is beyond me. I actually like PH but he has to answer some questions. Tough for him to be caught in a web of lies if he never says anything. Obviously smart to say nothing but how can he give him a pass for any other reason than friendship considering the line he's taken on others.
I lost a lot of respect for him when he got into a fight with Phil Gordon over an article he wrote for some magazine in which PG detailed how he was going to approach a PAD table that included Edog & Phil Ivey. It was an article to underscore the importance of game planning when approaching a one table satelite or even a final table. According to DN the article should have went something like "These guys are so much better than me and I have no chance so I'll just sit in the corner until I blind off & then thank them for allowing me to give them 20K."
I doubt the magazine would have paid him for that so he wrote up a gameplan to take advantage of their perceived weaknesses & then went out & won the table & 120K. Daniel blogged about the supposed dissing of his friends & PG even joined Daniel's forum to defend himself & was attacked by DN. I remember reading this article & can't recall anything that could be considered derogatory towards anyone & couldn't believe that somebody I admired for being such a seemingly good player & just as good of a guy would attack someone for no reason other than Edog disliked him.
It was when he defended his buddy Phil Ivey when he was cheating in a high stakes golf match with Ram Vaswani that I realized there were 2 sets of rules for him. One for his friends & one for everyone else. How you can defend cheating at golf & compare it to being hustled @ pool is beyond me. When you misrepresent your handicap in golf to gain an advantage, in this case to win large sums of money, that is the definition of cheating because your handicap is a real tangible thing that is calculated & cannot just be dismissed at your whim.
While I still admire his stance on a lot of subject, I've learned that everything he says about his friends has to be taken with a grain of salt because he'll always put them in the best light regardless if they are right or wrong.
i agree this site is great, we've needed a place like this for a long time....none of the other big name forms are neutral in any shape or form.
I think this is the million dollar questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffMy big question: How the fuck did a bright, grounded guy like Haralabob end up being owed what is likely 7 figures by a guy like Erick?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoyMillersMeatCurtains
If I remember I will come back to this tomorrow, the golf match thing was ridiculous and didn't they lose in arbitration? You can claim someone was sandbagging you after 1 or 2 matches but not 4 or 6 rounds. At this point YOU are angle shooting. I have thought a lot about big golf bets and concluded unless you tee off right away it would be impossible to match up realistically if I didn't play golf often -- even if I was trying to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
If someone wanted to play me in golf on a normal course and asked what I would shoot I would say 120. I am terrible off the tee. Knowing this high stakes match was coming up I would hit thousands of balls and hire a coach. I would try much harder and I would probably drop 10 strokes but I could never offer 110 in a bet. This doesn't make me a liar. Golf bets can leave so much about your opponent open to interpretation.
i think bukowski is drinking tonight
bro quit tilting on 2+2
I have to give DN credit for speaking out about a friend and I think he was pretty hard on EL. Since DN is so outspoken he was put in an impossible spot where he had to out a friend and handled it well. Sure he has been harder on HL and CF but they flat out stole money well EL is just a degen like 80% of all poker players and he can't control himself.
One questionable thing DN has done is he has never called out Helmuth for his role in UB and I'm interested in why.
Obviously you dont know how a golf match works. Your handicap is very important to determine giving strokes on certain holes. This is pretty important when you are playing for 10's of thousands of dollar per hole with carry overs & presses.Quote:
Originally Posted by bukowski72If I remember I will come back to this tomorrow, the golf match thing was ridiculous and didn't they lose in arbitration? You can claim someone was sandbagging you after 1 or 2 matches but not 4 or 6 rounds. At this point YOU are angle shooting. I have thought a lot about big golf bets and concluded unless you tee off right away it would be impossible to match up realistically if I didn't play golf often -- even if I was trying to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
If someone wanted to play me in golf on a normal course and asked what I would shoot I would say 120. I am terrible off the tee. Knowing this high stakes match was coming up I would hit thousands of balls and hire a coach. I would try much harder and I would probably drop 10 strokes but I could never offer 110 in a bet. This doesn't make me a liar. Golf bets can leave so much about your opponent open to interpretation.
Your handicap is not a subjective thing but is real & actually shows your POTENTIAL as a golfer no matter where you are playing. To misrepresent it, when asked about it, you are cheating.
I mean, the guy had a 3M a year income as collateral, and Haralabos probably had a huge edge in whatever wagering they were doing, so why wouldn't he let Erick go into 7 figures worth of debt? It's not like he was a random degen poker player, he had a piece of a gigantic cash cow and no one involved thought it was gonna dry up when it did.Quote:
Originally Posted by gm2022I think this is the million dollar questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffMy big question: How the fuck did a bright, grounded guy like Haralabob end up being owed what is likely 7 figures by a guy like Erick?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoyMillersMeatCurtains
Did Micon tell his version of this story?
I tried to listen, (if you can stay awake the sound is great),
but F that is some boring shit,
I think Dutch Boyd was on for an hour. I kept FF, but he was still on.
I just wanted to hear Micon's version of the fantasy football bet w/Erik Lindgren.
He basically said Druff wrote the story on this site (he mentioned this site by name) and there were a few inaccuracies but he didn't say them.
He also said he is owed money from this football season from Lindgrin as well.
FWIW it was the worst show I've ever listened to....I was actually embarrassed for Micon.
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Originally Posted by Pooh
Also said something like Lindgren wouldn't even check his team some weeks ... no wonder everyone booked action from him.
Druff didn't you have a blackjack story about Lindgren? I think you said you were playing but not sure if he hopped in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzhHrVY8L3IQuote:
Originally Posted by mtnDew
Yup. That's why it's kinda pathetic that some of his fantasy opponents are showing up on 2+2 crying, "OMG!!! Erick Lindgren isn't paying us! We had no idea!!" when in reality most (or all) of them knew the risks, but accepted them because he was so terrible (or neglectful) at fantasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCal SportsQuote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
Also said something like Lindgren wouldn't even check his team some weeks ... no wonder everyone booked action from him.
Now they're crying foul because the risk fell the wrong way for them.
Yeah, I was playing blackjack at Bellagio.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
A drunk Lindgren showed up and sat next to me, and loudly announced, "Oh look at this! Dan Druff is in the game just raised his bet! Well I'm fucking betting on this hand if Dan Druff is raising his bet!"
(For those of you that don't know, card counters raise their bet when the conditions become +EV, which is also a major sign to the casino that you're a counter.)
He then slapped some chips down and bet on the hand.
:facepalm4
I don't remember if either of us won the hand, but I finished off the double-deck shoe and got the fuck outta there.
Really annoyed me.
Jean-Robert Bellande did the same thing to me once, but was at least more subtle about it. The LOL thing was that some out-of-state rube at the table looked at Jean-Robert and said, "You know who you remind me of? That Jean-Robert guy from Survivor", and was completely serious.
SOUNDS LIKE A COMPLETE ASSHOLE TO ME. THE GUY DESERVES WHAT IS COMING TO HIM.
Perhaps Haralabob didn't know at that point what kind of person Edog is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffQuote:
Originally Posted by JoyMillersMeatCurtains
My big question: How the fuck did a bright, grounded guy like Haralabob end up being owed what is likely 7 figures by a guy like Erick?
Druff, do you have any degenerate tendencies? Seems every famous poker player is nothing but a degen
A penchant for craigslist hookers.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegetera
http://www.pokerstatic.com/hot-seat/...bos-voulgaris/
watch at 37:30.. and at 41:50 he mentions him lol
Holy shit, nice find.Quote:
Originally Posted by sinner
Thoughts on Phil Galfond's blog on the matter? He's a good writer, not sure why his blog isn't on CP.
http://www.philgalfond.com/lindgren-...little-advice/
What about him telling Dane cook off, and that he has more $$$
This is from the last 4 paragraphs
"This incident led to a discussion online of who in fact had more money, Dane Cook or Erick Lindgren...
I've also heard from multiple sources that Lindgren is very smart with his money, and has many business interests....
..Just based on his stake in Full Tilt Poker alone, Erick Lindgren easily wins this net worth battle. "
LOL
http://www.texasholdem-king.com/eric...dane-cook-163/
A rumor started making the rounds a few days ago, that had Erick Lindgren getting into a dispute with Dane Cook.
Erick Lindgren is a well-known poker player and member of "Team Full Tilt".
Dane Cook is a comedian who has appeared in movies such as "Employee of the Month" and "Good Luck Chuck".
Anyways, apparently Erick Lindgren and some of his buddies decided to check out Dane Cook at one of his comedy shows.
After 10-15 minutes, Lindgren and company decided that Cook wasn't very funny, so they decided to leave. They didn't want to make a big deal out of it, so they tried to exit as quietly as they could.
At this point, Cook noticed that they were leaving the venue and screamed "Where the hell are you all going?"
Lindgren responded that they were going to go down the street to try and find a funny comedian to watch.
Cook asked the group to "walk back out that door to the unemployment line". At this point, Lindgren mentioned that he is in fact unemployed, and that he makes more money than Cook does.
Security had intervened at this point, and were aggressively escorting Lindgren and his friends out of the building.
Lindgren later confirmed on Full Tilt Poker that this did in fact take place, and that he had gotten into a verbal confrontation with Dane Cook.
This incident led to a discussion online of who in fact had more money, Dane Cook or Erick Lindgren.
Dane Cook has appeared in a number of movies, has released some platinum-selling comedy albums and tours the country doing comedy shows. He is certainly a millionaire and has plenty of money (well, if you include the money that was apparently stolen from him by his half-brother).
Erick Lindgren was one of the original investors/stakeholders in Full Tilt Poker, backs many successful cash game and tournament players, and has over $7 million dollars in lifetime tournament winnings. I've also heard from multiple sources that Lindgren is very smart with his money, and has many business interests.
Just based on his stake in Full Tilt Poker alone, Erick Lindgren easily wins this net worth battle.
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Originally Posted by hotshott74
that was a good read.
"There are a few handfuls of people in poker who’ve shared with me their financial status at some time or another, and others who I’ve heard about their financials second hand. Every single one of them had less money than the public thinks"
"Sometimes you lose $500k in a live game, and don’t have any more money in Vegas, so you borrow from someone who does. "
I hate when that happens.
Great read.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshott74
Galfond's blog is good, and I agree with almost all of it.
Makes me wonder why he was so quick to vouch for PeachyMer when the questions came up about her.
He spoke repeatedly in her defense, despite never having met her, and not having proof that she was telling the truth about anything. Instead he came off as a bamboozled fan boy.
Granted, the PeachyMer controversy had nothing to do with money (aside from a very-credible multi-accounting accusation against her -- something that Galfond also claims to hate), but it surprised me how much he spoke in her defense.
I doubt if PeachyMer were a dude from Podunk Mr. Sweets would give a shit.
and now a moment of humor from Erica Schoenberg's twitter
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Erica Lindgren @thehitwoman
Just saw a thread on 2+2 about my man's gambling debts. Don't worry everyone - I just sent him to pick up $20 worth of lotto tix.
#chillout
Yeah, she deleted that pretty fast. Not fast enough, though. Its never fast enough...