Kasich: This Democrat should concern Trump team the most
Former Ohio Gov. John Kasich tells CNN's Chris Cuomo which Democratic presidential candidate he thinks poses the greatest challenge to President Donald Trump in 2020.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...pt-sot-vpx.cnn
yeah a gay guy has a good chance to win in 2020
wtf mumbles
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Originally Posted by blake
The antichrist "will not desire women"
Great job libtards, wouldn't expect anything less from u for 2020 than the AC being in play. The insurgent and the front runner (Bernie the jew) both checking off important boxes
is that pronounced BUTT GAG?
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Originally Posted by thesidedishQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
The antichrist "will not desire women"
Great job libtards, wouldn't expect anything less from u for 2020 than the AC being in play. The insurgent and the front runner (Bernie the jew) both checking off important boxes
OH DEAR GOD THE HEADLINE AT CNN.COM "Pence says Buttigieg bringing 'attacks on my Christian faith'"
God 2020 is going to be fun <3 ...
I’m just conveying some news about the matter. But it is quite unexpected how well he is doing given that he is ahead of the more nationally known 2nd-tier candidates at this juncture.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Perhaps this meme will move younger vets to abandon their support of HeelSpurs-in-Chief if Buttigieg goes up against in the 2020 general election.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyI’m just conveying some news about the matter. But it is quite unexpected how well he is doing given that he is ahead of the more nationally known 2nd-tier candidates at this juncture.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Bernie crushed in on Fox News’ Town Hall over Medicare-for-All.
https://youtu.be/YTlr3UMmJ4M
:lol2
Dear PFA:
It is with a heavy heart and much regret that I inform you today of the imminent death of the presidential campaign of one of my favorite politicians.
Beto O’Rourke Thinks His “Immeasurable” Public Service Was Worth a Lot More Than Just Giving to Charity
His charitable deductions were not…generous.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ce-was-enough/
Please join me in bowing our heads for this once-promising rising star of the Democratic Party.Quote:
Citing 2018 returns, CNN noted that Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and her husband gave $50,128 to charity, six percent of her income, while Sanders and his wife donated $18,950 in 2018. Of the major candidates who have released tax returns, Warren claimed the biggest charitable donations while others like Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) gave less than 2 percent of their incomes to charity, the Washington Post reported. In comparison, Americans donate on average 2 percent of their income to charity.
And O’Rourke? In 2017, the most recent year provided by the campaign, the O’Rourke’s donated $1,667 or .3 percent of his and his wife’s gross income of $366,455.
CNN noted that there was just one year when the O’Rourke’s were a bit more generous; in 2013 they donated gave $12,900. But what’s money in comparison to good works? At another campaign stop in northern Virginia, O’Rourke explained that his family had volunteered at a migrant shelter in Texas, telling supporters that he tries to “to contribute and serve in every way that I can.”
the domcratic establishment is scared to death, scared to look, they shook 'cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
Sanders Campaign Unloads On Dem “Establishment”: Be “Terrified”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN_1skpp8cA
All these contenders and not one decent Communist. The incompetent trump will trounce all of these because they are a lesser version of him. 20 trumps pretending to not be trump. Your dirty politics are laughable. Your country is falling apart and this is all you can offer up? Why not run Clinton again? . 4 more years of trump. I need to puke. America is doomed.
“The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.”
Eiizabeth Warren thinks that most student loan debt (aside from debt held by the currently wealthy) should be wiped off the books.
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/22/71595...dent-loan-debt
Uh huh.
So screw everyone else who played by the rules and paid off their loans? Also screw the people who didn't go to college and took a lower paying job because they didn't want loans, right?
Only the people with existing loans matter, apparently.
:facepalm3
just a shot in the dark here...the great majority of the fucking morons bitching about having huge student loans are those dumb fucks who decided to major in fine arts, poetry, philosophy or some other useless undergrad major...guessing there are a decent chunk of people out there who majored in shit like accounting, etc. who didn't want to necessarily be accountants, but figured that would be the only way to pay off any loans they took out...Quote:
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That's a fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenisjust a shot in the dark here...the great majority of the fucking morons bitching about having huge student loans are those dumb fucks who decided to major in fine arts, poetry, philosophy or some other useless undergrad major...guessing there are a decent chunk of people out there who majored in shit like accounting, etc. who didn't want to necessarily be accountants, but figured that would be the only way to pay off any loans they took out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
But they're never gonna pay that shit back.
probably not, but jesus fucking Christ be an adult and live with the decisions you made...my father had many a conversation with me starting my junior year in high school that basically revolved around 'don't be fucking stupid'...not to say it sunk in right away, but eventually after you hear something over and over and over again, shit starts to sink in...Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritanThat's a fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
But they're never gonna pay that shit back.
Team Bernie recently dropped a devastating campaign ad featuring the closing of GM’s Lordstown, Ohio plant. In my frequent runs along I-80 through eastern Ohio, I regular pass right by this huge splawling plant. And so do thousands and thousands of Midwest voters. That plant is going to be a daily reminder to them that Trump’s populist economic campaign chatter that helped him win in 2016 was just a demagogic con man’s opportunistic pack of lies.
https://youtu.be/tSLKEo0x9g0
Powerful video.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Sadly, I don't think there's a single Trump supporter (including the 'I'm not a Trump supporter, I voted for Gary! folks) that is capable of getting through the entire 3 minutes *and* having their mind changed.
Why can’t you just be happy some people are getting a leg up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Because it rewards the irresponsible over the responsible/honest ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTickleWhy can’t you just be happy some people are getting a leg up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Picture this:
A casino has a $50k poker tournament, and allows you to enter it on credit.
You can't afford anywhere near $50k, but you decide to take a shot anyway, and enter on credit.
You don't cash, and owe $50k.
After 8 years of hard work, you slowly pay off the $50k plus interest. You go without a lot of little things you'd like to have in life, in order to responsibly keep making payments. You pat yourself on the back for being responsible and getting this debt off your back.
Three days after you're done paying it off, the casino announces, "A lot of the people who entered the tournament 8 years ago couldn't really afford it, and we shouldn't have allowed it to be entered on credit. Therefore, as many people haven't paid us back anything at all, we are just forgiving all debts involving this tournament, and nobody owes us anything."
You then approach the casino and say, "Wow, that was very generous of you. I just finished paying it off 3 days ago. Can I have my $50k back now?"
"Sorry, you already paid it off," they tell you. "You don't qualify. Try not being so responsible next time, buddy."
Are you saying you'd be happy for the others getting a "leg up" by getting out of their debt, or would you feel ripped off and pissed?
Is the guy in this video a converted Trump supporter who is angry about the GM plant?Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Or was he an active BernieBro dating back to 2015?
I'm guessing he was always Team Bernie.
That makes the video less powerful and less interesting, if true.
The guy seems way too pro-Bernie to just be a disgruntled Ohioan.
Well I got my answer. The guy's name is Chuckie Denison.
Here's his Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chuckie.denison
He has Bernie propaganda plastered all over it, dating back awhile.
He also lists himself as "retired" (??), and "progressive activist".
Interesting how the video holds him out to be a disgruntled, repeatedly laid off auto worker.
In reality, he's retired (not exactly "fighting back" as he said in the video), and now focuses on activism for Bernie.
Once again, Democrats are parading one of their activists/operatives as an average Joe citizen.
Shameful.
It doesn’t matter if the guy featured in that ad has been a long-time Bernie supporter. I-80 runs along the huge empty parking lot of that Lordstown plant, and will serve as a daily reminder of the many folks who see it that Trump is a fraud and con man who lied about how he was going to save/bring back their jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
It's clear we see the world in a completely different way. Some people haven't managed to get a good enough job, they've struggled to pay back their student loan and it hangs like a guillotine over their head every month. They get a reprieve. We should all be happy for them. It's not about financial responsibility, it's about removing an unfair and debilitating financial burden. We should be happy for anyone who gets to escape from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffBecause it rewards the irresponsible over the responsible/honest ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTickle
Picture this:
A casino has a $50k poker tournament, and allows you to enter it on credit.
You can't afford anywhere near $50k, but you decide to take a shot anyway, and enter on credit.
You don't cash, and owe $50k.
After 8 years of hard work, you slowly pay off the $50k plus interest. You go without a lot of little things you'd like to have in life, in order to responsibly keep making payments. You pat yourself on the back for being responsible and getting this debt off your back.
Three days after you're done paying it off, the casino announces, "A lot of the people who entered the tournament 8 years ago couldn't really afford it, and we shouldn't have allowed it to be entered on credit. Therefore, as many people haven't paid us back anything at all, we are just forgiving all debts involving this tournament, and nobody owes us anything."
You then approach the casino and say, "Wow, that was very generous of you. I just finished paying it off 3 days ago. Can I have my $50k back now?"
"Sorry, you already paid it off," they tell you. "You don't qualify. Try not being so responsible next time, buddy."
Are you saying you'd be happy for the others getting a "leg up" by getting out of their debt, or would you feel ripped off and pissed?
If you've managed to pay it off - congratulations. But being pissed because someone got some help when you didn't is the sign of a bitter and jealous human being. As a society we should all be happy when good things happen to others. It's not about you, it's about them.
i think if i didn't go to college (like 50% of our population), i wouldn't be that happy that i'm subsidizing free tuition for those that chose to goQuote:
Originally Posted by MrTickleIt's clear we see the world in a completely different way. Some people haven't managed to get a good enough job, they've struggled to pay back their student loan and it hangs like a guillotine over their head every month. They get a reprieve. We should all be happy for them. It's not about financial responsibility, it's about removing an unfair and debilitating financial burden. We should be happy for anyone who gets to escape from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
If you've managed to pay it off - congratulations. But being pissed because someone got some help when you didn't is the sign of a bitter and jealous human being. As a society we should all be happy when good things happen to others. It's not about you, it's about them.
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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenisprobably not, but jesus fucking Christ be an adult and live with the decisions you made...my father had many a conversation with me starting my junior year in high school that basically revolved around 'don't be fucking stupid'...not to say it sunk in right away, but eventually after you hear something over and over and over again, shit starts to sink in...Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
I'm willing to wager that most of these people didn't have fathers in their home.
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Why is the financial burden "unfair" ?
You’re not subsidising college, you’re enabling your country to develop the next best scientists, engineers etc. so you and your children can live in a happier, richer, more advanced and culturally rich nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakei think if i didn't go to college (like 50% of our population), i wouldn't be that happy that i'm subsidizing free tuition for those that chose to goQuote:
Originally Posted by MrTickle
Education should be a right not a privilege.Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by MrTickle
Why is the financial burden "unfair" ?
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Originally Posted by MrTickleEducation should be a right not a privilege.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
Anyone can get an education; student loans are available to everyone. You don't have a right to have someone else pick up the tab. You are conflating the two.
but the people going to college will benefit from this wealth and cultural advancement while the people living in flyover states or the inner cities won'tQuote:
Originally Posted by MrTickleYou’re not subsidising college, you’re enabling your country to develop the next best scientists, engineers etc. so you and your children can live in a happier, richer, more advanced and culturally rich nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
that's what I was getting at in my earlier post...if you get some sorta science/engineering degree, student loans are probably a pain in your ass if you took them out but they aren't financially crippling because you are making good money in those fields...when I was coming out of school ages ago a starting chem E would make like $70...nowadays a starting I banker makes like $90-100...and on and on if you pick a major that has earning potential...if you're making those kinda bucks in your early 20s you'll be fine paying off your student loans...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTickleYou’re not subsidising college, you’re enabling your country to develop the next best scientists, engineers etc. so you and your children can live in a happier, richer, more advanced and culturally rich nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
if you get a degree in poetry and youre now making $30K a year schlubbing shit at starbucks then that's your fault for being a fucking moron and paying a shitton of money for a degree that is worthless...
I'm not saying it's an ineffective ad.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyIt doesn’t matter if the guy featured in that ad has been a long-time Bernie supporter. I-80 runs along the huge empty parking lot of that Lordstown plant, and will serve as a daily reminder of the many folks who see it that Trump is a fraud and con man who lied about how he was going to save/bring back their jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
That's what the Democrats need to be doing -- appealing to the working class swing voter -- and less of the embrace of socialism and full-term abortion.
However, I'm stating that the ad is misleading, and that this tactic has become increasingly common from the Democratic Party. They parade what appears to be everymen in front of the camera stating their concerns, when in reality those people are established activists/operatives within the party. I find it to be very dishonest. It's interesting that Bernie is now doing this, given that he was recently a VICTIM of such tactics by the DNC at a town hall earlier this year. I guess if you can't beat the shadiness, join the shadiness, right?
What the Democrats need to do is find/identify people in working class areas who voted for Trump in 2016 (preferably ones who were visible supporters of his at the time), who have since come to resent him for breaking promises to them.
THAT would be powerful, provided the stories are actually true and can't be debunked by a little research.
I'm sure some people like that can be found.
Will they do this?
Who knows? There's a lot of time until the general election, but the Democrats have fucked up strategically pretty badly in the past few years, so it wouldn't surprise me if they completely flub the 2020 election as badly as 2016.
I've talked to some swing voters lately. These are people who hate Trump, some of whom voted for Hillary.
They have slowly moved more left, in an enemy-of-the-enemy-is-our-friend sort of way, regarding Trump.
Some of them were all ready to support the Democratic candidate in 2020, until some of the recent extremism has come out.
These people simply can't relate to the concepts of reparations, full-term abortion, UBI, transgender 6-year-olds, or embracing of the socialist label.
When they see this rhetoric come from the Democrats, they start to reevaluate their recent leftward turn, and think to themselves, "I detest Trump, and I'm not happy with the Republicans in general, but WTF is this shit on the other side?"
I've heard this from several swing voters in 2019. They were all ready to vote Trump (and by extension, other Republicans) out of office in 2020, but now they're not so sure.
This is so painfully obvious to me, yet I feel like Democrats are not getting this point. They still seem to think that the key to victory is being really progressive and exciting the base to show up to the polls. That will backfire.
I am not even sure all the democrats are trying to win. I am sure a lot of them are. But I think there is a sort of nihilism, where they are so dedicated to the victim narrative, they secretly want to lose, so they can cry “victim” even louder and wail about persecution the next 4 years.Quote:
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Which candidate supports all this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I agree with you Druff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffBecause it rewards the irresponsible over the responsible/honest ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTickle
Picture this:
A casino has a $50k poker tournament, and allows you to enter it on credit.
You can't afford anywhere near $50k, but you decide to take a shot anyway, and enter on credit.
You don't cash, and owe $50k.
After 8 years of hard work, you slowly pay off the $50k plus interest. You go without a lot of little things you'd like to have in life, in order to responsibly keep making payments. You pat yourself on the back for being responsible and getting this debt off your back.
Three days after you're done paying it off, the casino announces, "A lot of the people who entered the tournament 8 years ago couldn't really afford it, and we shouldn't have allowed it to be entered on credit. Therefore, as many people haven't paid us back anything at all, we are just forgiving all debts involving this tournament, and nobody owes us anything."
You then approach the casino and say, "Wow, that was very generous of you. I just finished paying it off 3 days ago. Can I have my $50k back now?"
"Sorry, you already paid it off," they tell you. "You don't qualify. Try not being so responsible next time, buddy."
Are you saying you'd be happy for the others getting a "leg up" by getting out of their debt, or would you feel ripped off and pissed?
A better solution would just make interest rates be 0%. What would you think of that?