https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75urxIjB1iE
solar movies link to season 1:
https://solarmovies.co/movie/cobra-k...n-1-24873.html
im onto episode 7 its way better that i would have expected praise todd
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Watched all of it.
Was very good. Will be interesting to see if they can keep up the momentum with season 2, or if we will be seeing the usual degradation in quality from a surprise hit series in their sophomore season.
On a side note, Ralph Macchio is a Trump supporter. I wonder if YouTube knew this when they greenlit the show!
I will say that they kept politics completely out of the show, though there were a few light jabs in the early episodes against SJWs and PC culture.
Yeah, it's a fun show. I like that Johnny is sort of an asshole. He is an anti-hero.
There are some weak points in some of the writing and acting, but I found the show addictive just for the general story. Flawed but very enjoyable.
Have you guys seen this youtube clip that posits that Daniel is the real bully in Karate Kid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Gz_iTuRMM
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But I have to imagine the writers of Cobra Kai saw this YouTube video, because Johnny's description of his issues with Daniel were pretty much taken straight from the narrative here.
The critic portion of Rotten Tomatoes gave the series a 100% which is unheard of, and they had like 40 critics review it so the sample size is quite decent. There seemed to be a relief by all the critics that they did not do the natural thing Hollywood does on 80s remakes which basically just retells the same story that worked 30 years ago. That fact there is no Myagi character this go around seemed to be a relief.
I just read YouTube was actually shocked at the results and immediately signed up for another year. It starts filming this fall. I have not seen anything other than the free episodes, but to make Daniel semi-douchy is brilliant. I think the Rocky series would have strong benefited if like 10 years ago Rocky came back as the douche promoter and Mr. T as the manager was the guy everyone was rooting for.
One thing is for certain, You Tube will make killer profits as they are likely paying the actors under a $1M a piece for the entire year since everyone's career from the original Karate Kid stalled badly the last 20 years. In fact Johnny has been basically a ghost just taking bit parts.
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But I have to imagine the writers of Cobra Kai saw this YouTube video, because Johnny's description of his issues with Daniel were pretty much taken straight from the narrative here.
Yeah I saw this YouTube a few years ago and thought the same thing when I saw the clip. As a matter of fact, I wouldn’t rule out the entire premise of this show was inspired by that YouTube clip.
A nice thing about the series is that there's no actual villain among the main characters -- rather just a lot of realistically drawn flawed characters who have conflicts with one another.
Look at the Cobra Kai students. Instead of being sadistic assholes as depicted in the original movie, these kids are mostly victims of bullying whose immaturity causes them to be unable to fully handle their newfound ability to defend themselves (and their change in social standing). And their sensei, Johnny, rather than again being a sadistic asshole like Kreese, is a flawed anti-hero type who overall means well, but often makes mistakes in the way he goes about things.
At the same time, Daniel is a bit on the stubborn/pretentious/arrogant side, but is also still the good guy we remember from the movies.
Even Johnny's delinquent son was humanized, and in fact seems to be the most mature of all the kids.
There are a few pure villainous characters (the Asian bully, the bitchy blond chick), but they are mostly minor and have faded to the background as the series has progressed.
Also, props to the writers for not using Johnny's character as a slam on Trump. He's pretty much the prototypical Trump supporter -- white, lower-middle class, frustrated with life, middle-aged, not able to understand the weird overly-PC modern society... except they do not explore his politics at all. In fact, the show seems to somewhat validate his feelings of frustration. We aren't supposed to believe he's perfect or without fault, but we're also supposed to understand that he's overall good-hearted and constantly frustrated by a combination of bad luck and unfair circumstances. It would have been tempting to portray him simply as the unjustifiably angry, ignorant white guy, but they aren't really going that route.
Basically someone taking that Falling Down review (Michael Douglas) from a couple years ago and making the series Anti-Trump.Quote:
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show is semi-mindless but also GOD. may keep youtube red around just cause all the damn commercials are so annoying otherwise
I think it's a good show.. but what do I know.. I liked the 80,s Americana.. and yes lower middle class white people are living under a modern version of Jim crowe its meant to cull us and render us proactively marginalized and put into ghettos ala German style of the 1930,s...
Two pieces of news regarding Cobra Kai.
First, you can watch all 10 episodes of Season 1 for free now. Start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rB36UGoP4Y
Also, the second season will drop shortly. Here is the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3RqajyxUco
Sensei Kreese will be a big part of this one, apparently. Hopefully he's got a bit more dimension to his character than in the original movie.
black kid in the dojo was in Nerds. My son has been taking karate about six years, now 13 has a brown belt. Really great for him, he is excelling in school on the deans list. It took a lot of sweat and hard work to get the brown belt, I like how the karate kid is in a black belt.
Are you possibly confusing Macchio with Baio?Quote:
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(Yes, you are.)
No, I am not. He appeared on Steven Crowder, and while they didn't talk politics, no celebrity goes on that show to have a friendly talk with Crowder unless they like him and what he stands for. (Keep in mind Cobra Kai already blew up huge at that point, so they didn't need Crowder to promote it.)Quote:
Originally Posted by KuntmissionerAre you possibly confusing Macchio with Baio?Quote:
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(Yes, you are.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuFRsoT8pY
When I first heard they were doing this I could not have given less of a fuck. Now I'm geeked out waiting for the new season. Fucking nostalgia
Season 2 is out and Episode 1 is available for free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKc-SxD0HZE
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For some reason, nobody gave their impression of Season 2, despite it being out for 5 months.
It's funny, but despite liking Season 1, I didn't really feel the urge to watch Season 2. I think I sensed a letdown coming.
I just started watching, and am through 2 episodes. Still fairly good, but doesn't grab your attention like the first season. The problem is that this is more of a contiuation of Season 1 than anything new.
I do think the characters are very well drawn, with none of the main characters being irredeemable villains, and yet all are flawed -- just like in real life. However, there's one exception to this -- Daniel's wife. She's absolutely perfect. She's hot, she's intelligent, she's mature (which Daniel often isn't), she's sensible, she's professional (runs Daniel's dealership with him), and she's understanding. This character doesn't have a single flaw, which unfortunately means she's the only unrealistic character. I don't know why they drew her like this, given that all of the other characters have such depth. One interesting thing about the actress (Courtney Henggeler) is that, despite being hot, she also looks old for her age. I put her well over 40, yet she was only 36 during Season 1, and 37 now. Keep in mind that Ralph Macchio is 57 (but has always looked young for his age), so he's actually 20 years older than her! The Daniel LaRusso character is supposed to be 52 years old in 2019. It is implied in the series that his wife is in her 40s.
Don't post spoilers here unless it's in a spoiler tag.
I liked the first few episodes of the 1st season, but no desire whatsoever to see the second season. It's just not interesting to build up over 10 episodes to a climatic fight at the end. Really, Hollywood really missed this one in that the Johnny sympathetic figure was a great angle. It just should have been on the big screen for a movie with Daniel Larusso being incredibly obnoxious. Not sure why the decided a long series was best.Quote:
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Kind of like the final Rambo. I have not seen it, nor will I since it looks incredibly stupid. But a retired Rambo in a script like Clint Eastwood in Grand Tarino would have had appeal. Nobody wants to see a 73 old actor acting like he is 40 but I digress.
I do enjoy the little jabs against modern SJW culture they slip into the show, via the Johnny character.
Example:
<Johnny is on the phone>
Johnny: "Yes, we are taking new students.... Yes, we accept both boys and girls...."
<pause while person on other end is saying something>
Johnny: "Gender what?? Is this is prank call?"
It's strongly implied that the person on the other end claimed to be "Genderqueer", which seemed absurd to Johnny to the point where he believed the call to be a prank.
This scene didn't advance the plot at all. It was simply a little swipe at modern SJW culture. I've seen a few other of these throughout the series, which is surprising coming from Hollywood.
I assume this is because both Ralph Macchio and Martin Kove are conservative, and perhaps William Zabka is, as well. So it's possible that they have a writing team on the show who also has disdain for SJWs.
They're actually very careful with the Johnny character -- who is portrayed as being somewhat stuck in the '80s and unaware of modern culture trends -- to not be seen as racist, evil, or bigoted. The show seems to almost celebrate the fact that a lot of modern SJW type concepts are foreign to him. The show also hasn't had any swipes against conservatives or Trump, making me further believe that this is one of the rare right-of-center productions out of Hollywood.
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the author of the original rambo book (which and i cant stress this enough is legitimately great) burnt this last film alive and salted the earth under the ashes.
apparently they consulted him early on and he gave them a lot of free feedback and felt like ok this has legs, then they ghosted him (not unusual). so he goes to check out the film and realizes they completely ignored everything he discussed with stallone. its basically grindhouse schlock with a decidedly anti-mexican vibe, which seemed especially tone deaf after the texas walmart incident, but more importantly has exactly fuckall to do with the central themes to brand.
so yeah you very nearly got the movie you wanted, but either it was lost on the cutting room floor or stallone just wanted to make a version of grand tarino where eastwood geared up and exterminated a few dozen 'thugs'.
The original First Blood (Rambo) was perhaps the third best Vietnam movie ever, the first being Apocalypse Now and then The Deer Hunter. It's a close third. The movie was organic in that I don't even think Stallone knew what he was making. The whole opening Sheriff scene with Brian Dennehy is absolutely chilling, it set the stage for a great movie. Kind of like the opening of Red Dawn, another spectacular opening which basically launched Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen into their orbit.Quote:
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the author of the original rambo book (which and i cant stress this enough is legitimately great) burnt this last film alive and salted the earth under the ashes.
apparently they consulted him early on and he gave them a lot of free feedback and felt like ok this has legs, then they ghosted him (not unusual). so he goes to check out the film and realizes they completely ignored everything he discussed with stallone. its basically grindhouse schlock with a decidedly anti-mexican vibe, which seemed especially tone deaf after the texas walmart incident, but more importantly has exactly fuckall to do with the central themes to brand.
so yeah you very nearly got the movie you wanted, but either it was lost on the cutting room floor or stallone just wanted to make a version of grand tarino where eastwood geared up and exterminated a few dozen 'thugs'.
Getting back to Rambo, Stallone really did himself no favors historically by doing the Rocky and Rambo sequels. Both originals were so great, the sequels were simply money making devices which killed the brand at least as how it was originated. I talked to someone 20 years younger than me and the only Rocky movies he has seen was the Mr T and the fake Russian versions of the franchise. I am like WTF? I recommended he watch the original Rocky and he did, his review was he got through 45 minutes and turned it off as he felt it was boring.
I watched both movies recently and both have stood the test of time, but I am in my 40s now so I am an old guy and big tits and vehicles blowing up in car chases simply does not interest me anymore. In fact soft porn and intense action never appealed to me on the big screen, but I was never a video gamer so I guess I am from a different generation. Either way a 73 year old Rambo blowing up 100 people is just a ridiculous premise, it could have been great, but they took the easy way out with high octane action versus a drama. But to Stallone's defense it will likely make a $50M profit when released worldwide so that is the name of the game when all said and done. Just a shame we are in this realm of lowest common denominator deciding what is produced now.
Finished season 2. Not bad. A clear villain did emerge in this season.
Final episode was a bit over-the-top and ridiculous, though.
Won't post any spoilers here, but I did find it LOL that the Dutch character from the original movie was said to be serving "5-10 years in state prison". Too bad Chad McQueen didn't agree to reprise his role. That was a great character. Pure sociopath, but honestly not explored very much in the original movie.
The reason Chad McQueen did not reprise his role is he is nearly 60 years old and can barely walk due to a race driving accident. Why would he want to reprise the role of some early 80s film? He is worth north of $40M and probably said why would I want to act like I am 25 anymore? He was asked to go into Kobra Kai, and declined. He is running a company now.Quote:
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Originally Posted by tgullThe original First Blood (Rambo) was perhaps the third best Vietnam movie ever, the first being Apocalypse Now and then The Deer Hunter. It's a close third. The movie was organic in that I don't even think Stallone knew what he was making. The whole opening Sheriff scene with Brian Dennehy is absolutely chilling, it set the stage for a great movie. Kind of like the opening of Red Dawn, another spectacular opening which basically launched Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen into their orbit.Quote:
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Getting back to Rambo, Stallone really did himself no favors historically by doing the Rocky and Rambo sequels. Both originals were so great, the sequels were simply money making devices which killed the brand at least as how it was originated. I talked to someone 20 years younger than me and the only Rocky movies he has seen was the Mr T and the fake Russian versions of the franchise. I am like WTF? I recommended he watch the original Rocky and he did, his review was he got through 45 minutes and turned it off as he felt it was boring.
I watched both movies recently and both have stood the test of time, but I am in my 40s now so I am an old guy and big tits and vehicles blowing up in car chases simply does not interest me anymore. In fact soft porn and intense action never appealed to me on the big screen, but I was never a video gamer so I guess I am from a different generation. Either way a 73 year old Rambo blowing up 100 people is just a ridiculous premise, it could have been great, but they took the easy way out with high octane action versus a drama. But to Stallone's defense it will likely make a $50M profit when released worldwide so that is the name of the game when all said and done. Just a shame we are in this realm of lowest common denominator deciding what is produced now.
its interesting that there are literally 3 endings to 'first blood'.
in the novel,
in the first draft of the movie, in the final confrontation between trautman and rambo, rambo calmly reaches down and takes trautman's 1911 and, holding the barrel, tells trautman 'you trained me, you made me, you'll kill me. you owe me that.' and trautman does exactly that, pulling the trigger. credits roll.
for reasons that have never been really explained, stallone rewrote the ending, perhaps because he saw the potential for sequels but also perhaps because he sympathized with johnny. if i ever sit next to him on an airplane, thats will be the one and only thing i ask him about.
I would have loved to see Trautman end the movie with Rambo dying, or credits roll. Whatever worked but the movie should have permanently ended. To your point though Stallone saw he had another sequel money maker in another Rocky and elected to re-write Rambo doubling down. The issue I have with his sequels is he was so red hot in the 80s he could have accumulated massive wealth either way with Cobra movies or branching off into comedies.Quote:
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its interesting that there are literally 3 endings to 'first blood'.
in the novel,
in the first draft of the movie, in the final confrontation between trautman and rambo, rambo calmly reaches down and takes trautman's 1911 and, holding the barrel, tells trautman 'you trained me, you made me, you'll kill me. you owe me that.' and trautman does exactly that, pulling the trigger. credits roll.
for reasons that have never been really explained, stallone rewrote the ending, perhaps because he saw the potential for sequels but also perhaps because he sympathized with johnny. if i ever sit next to him on an airplane, thats will be the one and only thing i ask him about.
Tom Hanks refused to make another Forrest Gump even though the studios begged him to do it. He has been just fine since then. Spielberg on E-2 part two. They just said no and the movies live on. I dunno. I am not a fan of sequels but then again Godfather part 2 was amazing, but part three is likely the worst movie ever made.
The guy who played tommy really was dying.
RIP kid.
Druff: "Did you ever want to see what would happen if Johnny from Karate Kid restarted Cobra Kai in 2018, and then Daniel LaRusso wanted to fight him? Me neither."
Also Druff: So I just finished season two
Yeah I thought when I watched the episode that either they did a great job with the makeup, or the dude really was dying of something. Good performance out of him, considering. He actually had a liver & kidney problem, and not cancer as depicted in the show.Quote:
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Get him a body bag. He would have wanted it that way.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/enter...59/3790558002/
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Netflix bought the series from YouTube.
Basically YouTube decided that they have enough user-generated content, and didn't feel like attempting to be a poor man's Netflix. Netflix expressed interest in buying it, and YouTube said, "Here, take it off our hands!"
Season 3 is projected for 2021.
Since it's now on Netflix, many people are finding it for the first time, especially while starved for new shows to watch.
I don't watch many tv shows but just finished season 1
It's really good
Notice there's zero jabs against Trump or Republicans, but several gags making fun of SJWs.Quote:
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How do you feel about that?
They made me laugh
Lot of good one liners
It’s pretty obvious they are showing that Johnny lives so far in the past That he is obsessed with that he is clueless about all things modern...don’t think it’s really a jab at SJWs.Quote:
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Life isn't fair. So get out there and kick the shit of everybody
https://youtu.be/t-bvZ3JvfD4
Hello everyone.
I see this forum has some interest in Cobra Kai, now that it has moved to Netflix. I would like to expand upon a few things from a Hollywood insider's perspective.
First we must look at why Cobra Kai was on YouTube Red in the first place. Susanne Daniels is head of original content at YouTube. In 2014, YouTube launched its premium service, which took the form of various names, including YouTube Red. Daniels wanted some original scripted programming for YouTube Red, as she felt that the premium service was failing to attract the coveted age 35-49 demographic, since much of YouTube's content is aimed at younger people.
In 2017, executive producers Josh Heald, Jon Hurwitz, and Hayden Schlossberg pitched the series to a wide variety of streaming services and networks. Due to its strong script and the return of the two familiar, beloved characters of Johnny Lawrence and Daniel Larusso, it immediately received several lucrative offers. Amazon, Hulu, AMC, and Netflix made bids. However, well-heeled YouTube put forth the best offer, and so it landed there.
Fast forward almost three years. YouTube Red had become YouTube Premium, and Ms. Daniels decided she was no longer interested in the original scripted content realm. Despite the fact that Cobra Kai had exceeded expectations, was loved by critics and viewers, drove new subscriptions, and created YouTube Red brand awareness, Ms. Daniels regretted the signing and regarded it as a mistake.
How was that possible? Though not the fault of Cobra Kai or any of its principals, Daniels had made a strategic error in her original scripted programming effort. YouTube Premium/Red was a victim of its free version's success. Most people had a hard time paying for extra content on YouTube, given the staggering amount of free, high-quality, user-generated content available on the platform. Indeed, studies indicated that users subscribed to Premium in order to download videos and avoid ads. These were extensions of the free service which made it easier and more convenient to use. There simply weren't enough people interested in paying for Premium simply to access a few scripted shows.
Furthermore, YouTube was already far behind in the original content game. Netflix, their main competitor in scripted streaming content, had a vast library of original shows, whereas YouTube was just starting from scratch. It was simply going to be too burdensome and expensive to continue this business model. As well as Cobra Kai was received, it wasn't coming anywhere close to returning the amount invested.
Over at Netflix, a different problem was taking shape. 2020 was the year of COVID, and it didn't seem to be waning anytime soon. This was a disaster for scripted programming, as soon there would be a hole in original programming, with nearly all production halting in mid-March. Sure, Netflix had enough in the can in order to keep putting out new content in 2020, but 2021 was shaping up to be a big problem.
The two companies realized they could do each other a favor. The highly praised Cobra Kai could find a much larger audience at Netflix, while also giving Netflix a full, already-filmed season which had not yet been released. YouTube could sell the rights at a profit, and actually negate much of the money wasted on the ill-fated scripted programming idea. It was a match made in heaven.
In June 2020, the deed was done. Cobra Kai became property of Netflix, and was heavily promoted. Indeed, the show picked up many fans, many of whom were not at all aware it even existed. This is why you probably noticed an intense renewed interest in Cobra Kai over the summer, despite nothing new being released. Netflix customers were finding it for the very first time, and they instantly had two seasons to binge.
But what of Season 3? Netflix decided that two seasons was enough for the time being. After all, it qualified as "new" programming for the vast majority of their subscriber base. Therefore, forcing a wait until 2021 would not be seen as unreasonable. While this angered some Cobra Kai fans who were anxiously awaiting the previously-stated 2020 release, overall Netflix did the right thing, given their overall dearth of new programming.
Season 3 will drop on Netflix on January 8, 2021.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQC85GrqMnw
I saw Dan Druff mention that he believed Cobra Kai to be one of the rare productions with a right-of-center slant. He is actually correct. This was at the insistence of both William Zabka and Ralph Macchio, both of whom are closeted Hollywood conservatives. (Additionally, Martin Kove, who joined in season 2, is also politically conservative.) The men insisted that the show was to contain no Trump-bashing, no jabs at Republicans, and no implied messages that conservatives are evil. In fact, the actors insisted that the show remain completely apolitical. The small portion of social commentary comes through the Johnny character, which is carefully crafted to simply look like a fish-out-of-water '80s guy not understanding today's world. However, if you look closely, the writers use the Johnny character to express quiet disdain for contemporary identity politics.
I was curious how all of this would go over at Netflix, after YouTube basically gave Cobra Kai full creative freedom. From what I am hearing, Netflix has also chosen not to meddle. It is unclear if we will see more little jabs against social justice warrior types, or if the writers simply opted to keep everything 100% apolitical as originally intended.
The series has already been renewed for Season 4, though that is probably a long time away.
This has been great, I first saw this a couple years ago on Youtube really liked it. Now this and of course am enjoying it. If you didnt know any better, its sort of just a continuation of the Karate Kid movies, newish story line which is pretty cool, just a bit grown up. And now they have kids growing up (enter new story lol) and its really clever how they are doing this imo. I can t wait for the new season to be dropped of course lol.
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I had forgotten how interesting Harry's story was above regarding the move from YouTube to Netflix. Learned a lot of new stuff from that post back in November.
Anyway, I'm halfway through Season 3, which dropped on January 1. They were going to release it on January 8, but they decided to move it up a week for unknown reasons -- perhaps because January 1 is a more memorable date.
I try not to binge these too hard because there's a law of diminishing returns. It's nicer to slowly take it in, and COVID will probably delay Season 4 for awhile anyway.
I won't give any major spoilers away. I will say that we are already seeing the return of several characters from the original movies, who were not back for Seasons 1-2. So far, they've been incorporated pretty well.
There was yet another jab at SJW culture -- this time via a clueless, left-wing, touchy-feely guidance counselor who gets manipulated by the kids. At one point, one of the villain teens complains of another student, "She showed all kinds of aggressions -- both macro and micro." Again, SJW culture is presented as something ridiculous for us to laugh at, rather than any kind of evolution of social responsibility. It's refreshing to see. At the same time, there isn't one mention of Trump, and nothing in the entire series has any kind of implied bashing of conservatives. Surprisingly, there has been little discussion of this on the internet, but for sure what I'm noticing is real.
Dee Snider has a cameo, performing as "Dee Snider", rather than Twisted Sister. This doesn't give anything away regarding the plot, by the way.
Here's a few spoilers from halfway through viewing. Do not read unless you've watched at least half the episodes of Season 3:
Also lol @ "Doyona" as a stand-in for "Toyota".