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Thought you were a twinks only type.Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
Stay away from the mentally disturbed weirdos on CraigsList.
Didn't Drexel get pistol whipped over a MacBook Air about a year ago from some guy he meet on CraigsList?
I'm surprised this guy didn't show up at Marty's house in Mexico with some dildos and a bottle of lube.
:facepalm
5 months for a wordpress website ay?
WAY 2 MISS THE POINT EL SHALLOW
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Originally Posted by El Gallo
Mike should hire him. Full Salary.
Just sayin...Quote:
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Which of my Restaurant, Salon and Construction clients should I ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by OSAThe sales tactic of all you need is one job has been used to death by every cold caller, but only works with high ROI biz. Doesn't work with salons, restaurants, pet shops etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
That person looking at that roofing/landscaping company for a job wont be looking at just one company. They will be looking at a few and will not judge who they go with based on what the website says(maybe 6-7 years ago). They are going to go off the WOM of what other people have said about said company. The sites that they use to do that are Yelp, Facebook, Twitter, Google etc. If you don't believe me ask yourself this, would you pick a restaurant/salon/doctor based on what Google results showed you or what several people that live in your area said about those businesses?
No one wakes up and says I new a new roof. Let me go to bobsroofing.com lol. If you stop paying for hosting for a website all the work is gone as well as the thousands of dollars that have been spent.
Secretary? You mean Darlene who uploads photos of cats to her Facebook? You think she has time or expertise about what type of content needs to be posted on there? What about how to respond to reviews? What happens when she is busy or short staffed or sick or just doesn't feel like it? On average it takes about 50 hours a month to do all the work a company can do. Darlene going to devote that time? I know that's not the case because of the tens of thousands of "Darlene's" I have spoken to.
So let's say you hire a person in house. Most likely it will be either A) Some college intern who is in her 2nd year of a marketing major and you will either pay her zero, and get zero work/pay her at the very minimum $9 a hour which comes out to $450 a month, more than what a company would charge with less expertise and resources. B) Hire a local marketing company that will charge you 3x to have to cover their overhead.
Both cases a business owner loses in the long run.
CL leads are good if you want to practice objection handling and pitching. Those individuals need to be farmed properly and just be shown the possibility of what social media can provide their biz. Once you qualify and realize that they are spending no money on adv and marketing, no price should be given. Instead you show them what other businesses using social media have done for them. Then, you let them sit for a day or two and follow up with another piece of value. In a week you gauge their temperature. They should be really excited to get started before you even show the price because they will have realized hopefully by now, perceived value>actual price.
Also, lay off the insults. I have had tremendous amount of experience in sales, running my own business, and cold calling so I'm not some noob in this field.
The only reason I got negative with you is because you took the 'I know stuff you don't know' route and not surprisingly are still taking that tone with this post. When you throw around shit like 'proprietary software' you come off as a giant ass to those of us on this board (at least 6) who know everything that you are talking about and you are just leaving out cannonball sized holes in your story. You come off as 'I know more than you' and you are laughably incorrect.
All that stuff being said from Drk, I should GSA the fuck out of this thread.
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the idea is to charge a lower flat monthly rate with an affordable buy in point/deposit
the 5 months is not a timeline for site launch/development
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Great. You took 2 words of the entire post and chose to scrutinize it instead of addressing any of those other statements. That's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsWhich of my Restaurant, Salon and Construction clients should I ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
The only reason I got negative with you is because you took the 'I know stuff you don't know' and not surprisingly are still taking that tone with this post. When you throw around shit like 'proprietary software' you come off as a giant ass to those of us on this board (at least 6) who know everything that you are talking about and you are just leaving out cannonball sized holes in your story. You come off as 'I know more than you' and you are laughably incorrect.
The software I am taking about is built by a team of engineers that "know what they are talking about" as well.
I'm not saying I know more than you, I am just discussing the facts about how consumers are using online tools to decide on buying purchases. I know that's probably how you make your living and by downplaying websites its a jab at what you have worked so hard to accomplish, but nowadays consumers are just using websites as a means of finding basic info AFTER they decided who they are going with based on what I have spoken beforehand.
Social Media is more valuable to a business than a website, because it has the ability to interact with customers in real time, provide referrals, and is a testament to a business reputation long after the person stops paying their "website guy". These sites aren't going anywhere and once a business owner invests in them, it will only increase the value/asking price for a business just like putting a new roof on a house or a new fence.
But go ahead, nitpick one thing I said and disregard my points.
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Damn Maaaahin thats a fuckin sweet position you got there,
6 figure salary?
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Originally Posted by OSAGreat. You took 2 words of the entire post and chose to scrutinize it instead of addressing any of those other statements. That's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
The software I am taking about is built by a team of engineers that "know what they are talking about" as well.
I'm not saying I know more than you, I am just discussing the facts about how consumers are using online tools to decide on buying purchases. I know that's probably how you make your living and by downplaying websites its a jab at what you have worked so hard to accomplish, but nowadays consumers are just using websites as a means of finding basic info AFTER they decided who they are going with based on what I have spoken beforehand.
Social Media is more valuable to a business than a website, because it has the ability to interact with customers in real time, provide referrals, and is a testament to a business reputation long after the person stops paying their "website guy". These sites aren't going anywhere and once a business owner invests in them, it will only increase the value/asking price for a business just like putting a new roof on a house or a new fence.
But go ahead, nitpick one thing I said and disregard my points.
Not disregarding anything, it's just that i've lived it from every angle. I've been the Admin (Secretary) that has dealt with posting social shit, i've been the tech guy that worked in-house marketing and online sales. That dovetailed into me being a web guy for several years now and getting away from it for many of the reasons that you and Tyde have outlined in this thread. The thing that you are touching on that is half and half is the Social Media aspect of it all. It's a red herring. It's rare that you can convert a NORMAL social post into a sale just from that. Now if you want to get into Youtube-Amazon product arbitrage and FB Dark Post Re-targeting; perhaps you're just leaving out the good parts for the plebeians, I don't know? You are either being cagey or you just really only have a base level of knowledge of what you're talking about.
When you were the admin guy you have other responsibilities right? How many times did this get pushed to the back burner because of other "more important" matters? Being a tech guy is not the same as someone who has years of experience with social media. Not saying that you did this, but, I feel it's irresponsible to have clients assume that because you know how to do websites, that social media is just an extension of your skill set. Unfortunately, a lot of business owners get duped into thinking that, and then say oh it doesn't work cause my webguy tried it.Quote:
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Not disregarding anything, it's just that i've lived it from every angle. I've been the Admin (Secretary) that has dealt with posting social shit, i've been the tech guy that worked in-house marketing and online sales. That dovetailed into me being a web guy for several years now and getting away from it for many of the reasons that you and Tyde have outlined in this thread. The thing that you are touching on that is half and half is the Social Media aspect of it all. It's a red herring. It's rare that you can convert a NORMAL social post into a sale just from that. Now if you want to get into Youtube-Amazon product arbitrage and FB Dark Post Re-targeting; perhaps you're just leaving out the good parts for the plebeians, I don't know? You are either being cagey or you just really only have a base level of knowledge of what you're talking about.
I feel that you are coming at this from the wrong angle. Facebook, just to use it as an example is not a medium that should be used to showcase inventory or get people to buy shit with every post. Majority of posts should be things that your fan base can get engaged in and provide their two cents. Kind of going into a dinner party and having one guy in the room that doesn't shut the fuck the up about how great his wife/car/job is instead of asking the other person those type of questions. That's 99.9% of FB pages I see nowadays. Look at my great dish, look at my great patio, look at my great______. Instead of spending hundreds of dollars(possibly more) a month just on FB ads to get your message out there you can craft content that can get that sort of engagement. Once you provided value over a period of time then and only then can you ask them to check something out. This is a principle executed by Gary Vaynerchuck called "Jab, Jab,Jab, Right Hook".
Not being cagey, I don't necessarily think its beneficial(unless you are working with at least a couple grand a month) to pay FB to boost posts, do ads etc. I work with small businesses and they either dont have the money to invest in that or they waste their money putting down $25 or $50 thinking some miracle will happen.
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Originally Posted by OSAWhen you were the admin guy you have other responsibilities right? How many times did this get pushed to the back burner because of other "more important" matters? Being a tech guy is not the same as someone who has years of experience with social media. Not saying that you did this, but, I feel it's irresponsible to have clients assume that because you know how to do websites, that social media is just an extension of your skill set. Unfortunately, a lot of business owners get duped into thinking that, and then say oh it doesn't work cause my webguy tried it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
I feel that you are coming at this from the wrong angle. Facebook, just to use it as an example is not a medium that should be used to showcase inventory or get people to buy shit with every post. Majority of posts should be things that your fan base can get engaged in and provide their two cents. Kind of going into a dinner party and having one guy in the room that doesn't shut the fuck the up about how great his wife/car/job is instead of asking the other person those type of questions. That's 99.9% of FB pages I see nowadays. Look at my great dish, look at my great patio, look at my great______. Instead of spending hundreds of dollars(possibly more) a month just on FB ads to get your message out there you can craft content that can get that sort of engagement. Once you provided value over a period of time then and only then can you ask them to check something out. This is a principle executed by Gary Vaynerchuck called "Jab, Jab,Jab, Right Hook".
I have spoken with Gary on a few occasions. It really is the difference between the long game and the short. Local biz that sells windows and lawncare are looking for the short game, 50 person companies, places traded on the stock exchanges and the like are looking for the long game that you are speaking of. And yes, i've read all of Gary's books and watch his show pretty religiously.
I have had a twink friend/former coworker intern for him. They didn't pick him up after the internship and ending up killing it and getting a smoking hot gf while learning invaluable things that I am pretty sure wouldn't have happened had he stayed there.Quote:
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Originally Posted by OSA
I have spoken with Gary on a few occasions. It really is the difference between the long game and the short. Local biz that sells windows and lawncare are looking for the short game, 50 person companies, places traded on the stock exchanges and the like are looking for the long game that you are speaking of. And yes, i've read all of Gary's books and watch his show pretty religiously.
That's the thing that needs to be understood by those window and lawncare guys. SM isn't going anywhere. Once they understand that they will spend thousands a year just like they did with radio/TV/Yellowpages. They are going to be around 10-20-30 years down the line and then their family will hopefully take over etc.
Also SM isn't Groupon or Living Social and it's not a quick fix.
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Originally Posted by OSAI have had a twink friend/former coworker intern for him. They didn't pick him up after the internship and ending up killing it and getting a smoking hot gf while learning invaluable things that I am pretty sure wouldn't have happened had he stayed there.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
That's the thing that needs to be understood by those window and lawncare guys. SM isn't going anywhere. Once they understand that they will spend thousands a year just like they did with radio/TV/Yellowpages. Also SM isn't Groupon or Living Social and it's not a quick fix.
As a quick sidebar, this guy I have a landscape site for hits me up and tells me to get him to #1 on google and in the 7 pack (now 3 pack) local before the first snowfall for 'snow removal royal oak / Birmingham / Bloomfield Hills, yadda yadda' , like a week ago. Just to let you know what kind of retardation I put up with.
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As a quick sidebar, this guy I have a landscape site for hits me up and tells me to get him to #1 on google and in the 7 pack (now 3 pack) local before the first snowfall for 'snow removal royal oak / Birmingham / Bloomfield Hills, yadda yadda' , like a week ago. Just to let you know what kind of retardation I put up with.
You do Google Ads too? Jesus, that such a fucking headache. Tell him sure, it'll be 50k..lol
I'm page 1 for most local terms with 'SEO' in it, kept #1 for a couple of terms until I decided to mothball the site.Quote:
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You do Google Ads too? Jesus, that such a fucking headache. Tell him sure, it'll be 50k..lol
Let's get back on track.
Robert has contacted me and claimed that someone called him and alerted to this thread. He says that this thread is a libel post.
I told Robert that this is a free speech forum, but I will remove any personal information such as phone numbers, addresses, etc.
I encouraged him to register an account here to refute the claims being made against him, and promised him no censorship (other than personal info) of his responses.
I also let him know (truthfully) that Marty is no friend of mine, and is not receiving any kind of special treatment here.
Libel would be a difficult case to make in this instance.
Yeah this is mostly just screenshots and Marty's explanation of the screen shots.Quote:
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Obviously his explanation is biased, but that's why I'm encouraging Robert to come out and give his side of the story.
If Marty were to just come out here and bash the guy with unsubstantiated allegations, then I would see his point, and might remove it.
But since Marty has supported his claims with screen shots, what we really need at this point is Robert to refute any claims by Marty regarding what happened, if he so desires.
The best Mr Pickering can do here is tell his side of things but it doesnt appear he has much of a side to tell. If there was any weight to his complaints, I assume he would have followed through on any one of his numerous blustery threats.
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:lol2
The way I see it, Pickering has already made several threats and there is evidence to support it. He would get nowhere with a libel case. Not to mention the fact that there are several screenshots etc about everything. If you are telling something truthfully about someone, there is no libel. I guess it's just a matter if Tyde is telling the entire story.
Dear 7lb 6oz Baby Jesus,
Please let Mr. Pickering step into the PFA ring for a few rounds of verbal sparring with Tyde.
Early line Tyde -550.
BTW there are already legal cases on this, where forum owners are protected from liability involving libel.
With that said, if I feel someone is being unfairly accused or actually being libeled, I will remove the posts for moral reasons.
But in this case, the claims seem to have enough merit to where I don't see a reason to delete them. As always, both sides are always welcome to respond here without censorship.
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the guy has a finished website that he loved when he saw the preview
I still have this all parked on my server
obv I ripped it offline when he started having a meltdown
and then has the balls to back charge me claiming 'unauthorized' charges
the email exchange, and his voicemail speak for themselves
all he had to do was reset his primary account password with GoDaddy...problem solved
but no, he starts threatening me personally
a 5 minute phone call to GoDaddy...this thread doesn't exist
Mr Pickering you have some splannin to do.
How many scam business can you run at once?
Travel Guide
Fail Fishing Boat Company (Already out of business)
LOL he apparently creates a lot of different 'companies'
HOF
SixToedPickering
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LMAO holy shit
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OP with his emails and voicemail is a slam dunk in my favor
with that said, I hope you had a nice 'chat' with him
LOL @ this voicemail
just listened to this shit again
just wow
http://picosong.com/Q7Yw/
such a dickbag