Respectfully disagree. We will see what happensQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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Respectfully disagree. We will see what happensQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Whether you feel one way or the other on Merge those of us who have been active in posting have got our opinions out so it's pointless to continue to repeat ourselves right now until time goes by or new information develops.
I will just say if Merge keeps Bitcoin in "beta" mode for selective people for longer then a month then that is a bit ridiculous. They shouldn't have to be in a "beta" mode but since they are lets see what happens next.
In this beta stage if it takes them more then 1 business day to send out the bitcoin cashouts to there top raking customers then even if it's faster then other methods it's still too long when you don't need to involve a third party as a processor.
Some sites use 3rd party processing for all transactions (bitcoin included)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
It's true that they do but it's not necessary for bitcoin.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniacSome sites use 3rd party processing for all transactions (bitcoin included)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
What Merge could consider is anyone waiting more then 10 weeks for a check right now to ask those people if they would like a one time cashout by bitcoin if the network hasn't submitted that persons cashout request for processing. They can do all the beta testing they want with this but as already mentioned in this thread ACR bitcoin withdrawls on a business day are done in hours. One of mine I received in 45 minutes into my blockchain account.
Of course it is not necessary for bitcoin,u could say the same for wires and other methods. You could just have a guy sit in an office and click buttons all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerIt's true that they do but it's not necessary for bitcoin.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
What Merge could consider is anyone waiting more then 10 weeks for a check right now to ask those people if they would like a one time cashout by bitcoin if the network hasn't submitted that persons cashout request for processing. They can do all the beta testing they want with this but as already mentioned in this thread ACR bitcoin withdrawls on a business day are done in hours. One of mine I received in 45 minutes into my blockchain account.
But at the end of the day some sites out there wipe their hands clean of everything and have 3rd parties do all of the transactions for them.
I'm not even saying this is the case for Merge but the rumor out there is they do none of their own processing. Maybe they will for bitcoin though
^^^ - What I was getting at is most of the processing is done third party for the networks own security but with bitcoin they can eliminate all that with the anonymity of it all. You can have some manager guy who is there already everyday in the support office sending already sending it out.
Even if they only process once throughout the day at say 9am not doing them as regular as ACR/WPN is doing then that would still be a major improvement to several week cashouts for the other methods.
It shouldn't be difficult at all to implement this system and if they tell people otherwise then it's just more smoke they are blowing up their customers asses.
Of course any site can do that and maybe they will. But just because they can does not mean they will do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Like I said before, some sites want none of their people involved with any processing at all whether it be bitcoin or anything else. You can talk about how easy it is all day (and everyone knows how easy it is to send and receive BTC) but at the end of the day it is up to to whoever is in charge of this stuff to put a plan in action.
I am actually a big proponent for bitcoin as well since I started using it recently and it could and should be huge for gaming
In the case of Carbon is clear who is in charge. As player funds are misappropriated, they processed everything by themselves.
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Originally Posted by Towerflower
Why is anyone paying attn to this clown? Lolzzzz hipaintcheap,you sir are a fucking halfwit. He trolls around poker forums in hopes of finding sites that are stiffing players. Im 95% sure I will get every dime owned to me by merge/carbon/sportsbook.ag, as will everyone else. Pay zero attn to this little faggot, he doesn't know shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
And if anyone who has funds on merge wants to know what I know , send me a message.But do not listen to this little fear mongoring cunt. And yeah, he is a dupe. He has multiple accounts on pfa and 2p2 and goes around saying the same b.s. What a strange motherfucker.
What i dont understand is why do some players get a priority withdrawl process and others dont??
A noob who cashes out is just as important or a daily depisiter who finnally scores. I think they are more important to grow traffic..
Withdrawels should be handeled equally unless something is wrong...
I don't understand why sites would allow people who had neverending cash outs to continue to play on the site?
If it was my room these folks would be shown the door quick. At the very least I'd keep them far far away from my fish. I'd give them their own tables to play with all the other winners and also let them play tournaments but there is no way I'd allow them to fleece rec players day after day. There is no possible way that these sites can get enough deposits to combat that sort of onslaught.
It's really no fucking wonder all these guys used to superuser those fuckers. I can't even begin to imagine how annoying it would be for a site owner to watch donk after donk have a lousy experience while the same nerds were on cash out loops.
At least Bovada is really trying with their anonymous tables and all hole cards exposed after 24 hours. Unless you feel you are a 99.9 percenter at cards I can't imagine playing any other site these days.
Reading this thread it shocks me people play on Merge. I thought for sure this was a bumped thread from a couple years ago. I though Druff said not to play on that site anymore like 2 years ago. What's the point of coming to pokerfraudalert.Com if you are going to play all the risky sites still.
Zero sum game... get rid of winners and then losers become winners.
For instance.... site gets rid of 99% of their winning players, then spartentard becomes a winning player.
I make fun of myself but am a competant rec player...
These agressive winners only look for fish they bum hunt and rat hole as,well as using scripting programs to seat them with fish..
Those people are hurting the sites...
Its not a zero sum game..
Get ride of the uber aggressive winner and everyone is happier..
I dont mind poker pros but let them play eachother..they have no buisness searching out noobs to destroy.
Any website thar does that would have better and happier traffic and a better sustanable buisness model for all..
At the very least ban all those p.t. and seat scripting programs And massive multitabling..
If all thos pro,s(lol) want to make money play fewer tables at higher stakes. No mega multitabling..
Getting back on track.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesparten
Why would carbon traffic grow. Its actually shrinking..
Noobs are last in line to cash if they score. And i mean litteraly a quarter of a year wait.
Theres nothing but spoiled hyper active grinders on the site.
A guy would have to be an idiot to download them take out your card and actually send them 100$ wich they need badly becouse it really sounds like they havnt seperated player funds like acr..
Carbons finushed, downward canabalistic spiral, fer sur
The fact is Regs start games and by starting them we aren't talking about just one table like some recs might do but several at once. Without any regs a network could be stuck with a lot of one tabling recs.
If barely any of these recs ever cashout then of course it means the network rakes them to ruin but it will take a long time to do so and they won't be making as much in the end with less games running.
So it's about getting that proper balance of regs and recs which is incredibly difficult to do but I think Bovada has a better idea of this then any site still serving Americans. Regs would like to see screen names, be able to play more then four cash/sng tables at once, and get rakeback BUT many eventually realize how good the games are because the network don't do these things.
Agreed! You are correct about bal and rec really only play 1 table or 2 tops..i do one tourny and one cash simultamiously. I would just play higher stakes instead of adding a 3rdQuote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
4 table max is a really good thing...
Sportsbook.com has stolen millions from players throughout their history. They stiffed me for $150K in 2007. Don't pretend this is an honest company.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Merge could be in trouble even if they do keep player funds separate.
Assume they keep the funds separate. There could still be an issue if processor theft/issue/operating costs are greater than rake earned.
Say for instance their volume went down (which it clearly has) but operating expenses stayed steady or increased. You might keep player funds separate but maybe a processor is shutdown and/or keeps your funds. if you don't have the excess cash to cover this loss back into the player fund pool, you delay payments somewhat. Then you delay them some more. Then it trickles into 3-4 months.
Hopefully it's not the case. Maybe the processor is just so overused it has to trickle payments to avoid suspicion? I don't know. It's hard to explain delays this long. I could be overlooking something though.
I'm still sad the SNG volume on merge went to crap 18-24 months ago. Software was so fantastic and so easy to multi table. Truly the greatest software ever
I hope merge bounces back. For now we can just speculate. As China said don't keep too much on there (just like any other site)
You don't need to work at a bank to explain what is going on here:
Carbon has proven that bank transfers technically take 2-5 business days for the cancelled Skrill withdrawals.
Therefore, the only explanation why Carbon bank wires take usually 42 days in average is that they give the order to their bank around 39 days after they received a withdrawal request.
Would they wait 39 days after the receipt of a withdrawal request to give the transfer order, while having the player funds on bank accounts and knowing that habitual delayed withdrawals will lead to traffic and revenue decrease, if not to a "bank run"?
No. This makes absolutely no sense!
The only logic reason to wait in average 39 days to give the transfer order is not having the amount of the current withdrawal requests on hand and wait for more deposits.
Have to say this does make sense. If it's a simple matter of them having a problem with their processors why don't they just use the same processor that Bovada uses to issue payments since they don't seem to have a problem it can't be such a big super secret processor that nobody knows about can it? It goes way beyond it just being a US issue if ROW players are also experiencing delays in payments and makes it sound like more of a liquidity issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
They slowpay on purpose you fucking nitwit.But they do and will pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towerflower
Slowpay on purpose is the criminal offense of misappropriation!
rickysteve I assume?Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmProfessionalTalkSportsbook.com has stolen millions from players throughout their history. They stiffed me for $150K in 2007. Don't pretend this is an honest company.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
To save time and money?Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Based on what would they(?) owe you anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
A valid legally binding agreement don't exist, as your contract partner is not stated in the terms and conditions and this is a essentially part of a contract to be valid.
Cant wait to sign up and make s deposit on carbon.
All they do is slowpay un purpose, lol..
They would not get my 6k year in deposites..good luck grinders...
This is the correct and required behavior to evade the basis of criminal operators.
As there is no regulation, we the poker community as a consumer have to regulate the online poker market this way.
Took 1 business day and 3 days total, received 5k in BTC
Good to hear! Now they just have to open it up to more people then eventually everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
Some sites require you to make a small deposit via Bitcoin before you can withdrawl way which is fine too.
Ya I would love to see them open it up to everyone. Like I said before I heard this could be "beta" period and I did already hit a bug as I tried to request another and got an error so will see what happensQuote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPokerGood to hear! Now they just have to open it up to more people then eventually everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
Some sites require you to make a small deposit via Bitcoin before you can withdrawl way which is fine too.
Some signs of life in the 2+2 cash out thread today. Looks like a bunch of delayed checks processed along with several bank wires lately. Good sign. I still sure the obvious disclaimer of only maintain a deposit high enough for reasonable variance. Good luck.
Towerflower aka hipaintcheat and aka barcelona world....... lot of money sent out this week, you fucking retard.
Stay on carbon mr.pro(lol)..Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
On acr they would just donk u out of the micros..
A small percentage of the pending withdrawals(which are only a small percentage of the total account balances) processed this week, confirms the ponzi scheme! If Carbon was a legit company, all withdrawals would have been processed long time ago. Understood?Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
You are brain dead. Don't you have anything better to do with your life?
Not going to create a new thread for something that never launched except to the 0.5% of people but apparently the bitcoin withdraw is already gone from Merge to those who had it.
I just can't with this network. Either they are incompetent in the implementation process or they just see this would be a bad option to roll out to everyone because it means they have to pay people within a reasonable time frame.
The implementation process is simple and could be done by bitpay.com
"Offer your customers the world’s fastest and safest payment option. We'll handle the bitcoin."
Even without a third party processor, Bitcoin withdrawals are easy to handle.
They should have known in advance that there are no excuses for delayed Bitcoin withdrawals and that it is a bad option if you have player funds not on hand.
I think this was simply a distraction for the loss of their Skrill account and a misleading operation to give false hope.
It was a glitch, it returned todayQuote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
They just processed another $5,000 BTC WD for me again today and I requested another (same with a few others I know)