Confederate Flag controversy

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

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Maybe Tom clarifies or amends this statement later in the thread. Regardless, the problem with his analysis is that it is incorrect. Slavery was absolutely THE reason the civil war occurred. Not emancipation certainly (a by-product of the war and the Union victory) but to keep slavery legal and therefore, in the minds of southerners, protect the southern slave-dependent economy.

Slavery dominated the national debate basically from the Louisiana Purchase forward until Lincoln's election in 1860. Lincoln was elected on Nov 6th and South Carolina voted to secede on Dec 20th, and it wasn't because they didn't want "the man" in their business. It was because the wrongfully believed Lincoln was an abolitionist who would destroy the south's way of life.

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My family fought under Sherman to keep the Union whole, not for human rights issues. I'm glad it all worked out because the argument had existed since the days of the Revolution and was a sticking point of the southern States to agree to the rebellion in the first place. Just to be clear, I don't see any reason for that flag to fly anywhere but in a museum.

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You actually helped my point "fought to keep the union whole, not for human rights issues", I suppose we can agree to disagree but my point was the civil war was not just about slavery yet it was used as a "fuse". Not every southern home had a slave and not every unionist fought to free slaves.

The funny thing is the north had no issue with slavery under British rule until the revolution and after that their industry suffered and they had no use. Think about this a moment, if the revolution did not impact the norths economy they would have kept slaves because they needed them.

Would a civil war still have happened? I believe so because the under lying issue was "the man", slavery was a sticking point and easiest to exploit.

End of day obviously slavery was a horrid abuse and glad it ended.

As far as the flag goes, personally it makes no difference to me since I have to history with it but it says something about our world and the USA.

Be careful what flag you fly because if popular media suddenly tells us all it's bad and moves government to remove it and outlaw it, what's next?

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Originally Posted by Tom

Be careful what flag you fly because if popular media suddenly tells us all it's bad and moves government to remove it and outlaw it, what's next?

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The entire thing has been about A STATE flying the confederate flag. Not you, not me, not any private entity, but THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. Tell me who's trying to outlaw it anywhere for any private entity?

And popular media shouldn't be the one who tells you its bad, it should be common sense, common decency to fellow citizens, and a general sense of what's right for a government agent to display and what clearly isn't. Unfortunately, a ton of selfish, short-sighted, and racist people lack a lot of these qualities, so they must be shamed into doing what's right instead of digging in their heels and making arguments about why the flag doesn't mean what people think it means, etc.

TBH, I've always found it weird that the flag of the losing side in the civil war was allowed unmodified on any public buildings to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

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Originally Posted by Tom

Be careful what flag you fly because if popular media suddenly tells us all it's bad and moves government to remove it and outlaw it, what's next?

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The entire thing has been about A STATE flying the confederate flag. Not you, not me, not any private entity, but THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. Tell me who's trying to outlaw it anywhere?

And popular media shouldn't be the one who tells you its bad, it should be common sense, common decency to fellow citizens, and a general sense of what's right for a government agent to display and what clearly isn't. Unfortunately, a ton of selfish, short-sighted, and racist people lack a lot of these qualities, so they must be shamed into doing what's right instead of digging in their heels and making arguments about why the flag doesn't mean what people think it means, etc.

TBH, I've always found it weird that the flag of the losing side in the civil war was allowed unmodified on any public buildings to begin with.

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Not entirely true I watched the news last night and several business have stopped carrying it, UNLV? Needss to rename again their mascot maybe and in another country their business for the flag dried up over the week.

Popular media dictates thoughts, decisions and reaches well beyond the Carolinas with this one.

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Originally Posted by Tom

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

The entire thing has been about A STATE flying the confederate flag. Not you, not me, not any private entity, but THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. Tell me who's trying to outlaw it anywhere?

And popular media shouldn't be the one who tells you its bad, it should be common sense, common decency to fellow citizens, and a general sense of what's right for a government agent to display and what clearly isn't. Unfortunately, a ton of selfish, short-sighted, and racist people lack a lot of these qualities, so they must be shamed into doing what's right instead of digging in their heels and making arguments about why the flag doesn't mean what people think it means, etc.

TBH, I've always found it weird that the flag of the losing side in the civil war was allowed unmodified on any public buildings to begin with.

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Not entirely true I watched the news last night and several business have stopped carrying it, UNLV? Needss to rename again their mascot maybe and in another country their business for the flag dried up over the week.

Popular media dictates thoughts, decisions and reaches well beyond the Carolinas with this one.

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Tell me again who's trying to outlaw it anywhere? Yeah, people sick of that fucking horse-shit flag are pressuring those with their heads still in the sand to take it down. That's good, I think.

I don't see anything being outlawed, tho. When I say outlawed, I mean for private citizens and businesses, not public buildings, because we have shit tons of laws already about what can and cannot be on those. I'm talking private entities.

Has everyone in this thread read the Cornerstone Speech yet? I highly recommend it. Hell, just the first few paragraphs will do. It pretty clearly lays out, by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens, a few weeks before the war, just what he thinks this whole thing is about. You only need read a paragraph or two, but the entire thing is worthwhile.

http://civilwarcauses.org/stephans.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech

Can you guess what he thinks the cornerstone of the new nation is?

 

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth..."

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

Has everyone in this thread read the Cornerstone Speech yet? I highly recommend it. Hell, just the first few paragraphs will do. It pretty clearly lays out, by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens, a few weeks before the war, just what he thinks this whole thing is about. You only need read a paragraph or two, but the entire thing is worthwhile.

http://civilwarcauses.org/stephans.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech

Can you guess what he thinks the cornerstone of the new nation is?

 

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth..."

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Will we be quoting all the Northern leaders (George Thomas for example) and founding fathers (Washington, Franklin, Jefferson etc) who owned slaves at one point as well? Like I said earlier, when slaves were no longer needed in the North they suddenly had a moral enlightenment, sure.

The South needed them, owning slaves = revenue, money was a huge factor. So while you can say the South (10-25% btw by some estimates) just loved slave owning and fouight for it. What they really fought for was the money, take away my slave and I suffer economically. If their bottom line wasn't hit they would have no use for slaves, just like the North after the revolution!

As far as outlawed, I apologize I mis spoke, you are correct, should have used a different term. Private is ok, for now!

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Originally Posted by Tom

Be careful what flag you fly because if popular media suddenly tells us all it's bad and moves government to remove it and outlaw it, what's next?

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That sure is a weird spin to put on things.

I think the opposite of what you're complaining about is happening. Freedom of expression gives us a marketplace of ideas, and this is just a stock that is tanking. The government did not compel Amazon and Walmart to take these flags off their shelves. The market dictated that.

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Originally Posted by Tom

Will we be quoting all the Northern leaders (George Thomas for example) and founding fathers (Washington, Franklin, Jefferson etc) who owned slaves at one point as well? Like I said earlier, when slaves were no longer needed in the North they suddenly had a moral enlightenment, sure.

The South needed them, owning slaves = revenue, money was a huge factor. So while you can say the South (10-25% btw by some estimates) just loved slave owning and fouight for it. What they really fought for was the money, take away my slave and I suffer economically. If their bottom line wasn't hit they would have no use for slaves, just like the North after the revolution!

As far as outlawed, I apologize I mis spoke, you are correct, should have used a different term. Private is ok, for now!

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So we're in agreement that the issue of slavery was the reason for the secession and, therefore, the war? Sure seems like we agree on almost everything when its clearly spelled out, you just won't allow yourself to say that slavery was the central cause of this whole deal.

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

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Originally Posted by Tom

Will we be quoting all the Northern leaders (George Thomas for example) and founding fathers (Washington, Franklin, Jefferson etc) who owned slaves at one point as well? Like I said earlier, when slaves were no longer needed in the North they suddenly had a moral enlightenment, sure.

The South needed them, owning slaves = revenue, money was a huge factor. So while you can say the South (10-25% btw by some estimates) just loved slave owning and fouight for it. What they really fought for was the money, take away my slave and I suffer economically. If their bottom line wasn't hit they would have no use for slaves, just like the North after the revolution!

As far as outlawed, I apologize I mis spoke, you are correct, should have used a different term. Private is ok, for now!

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So we're in agreement that the issue of slavery was the reason for the secession and, therefore, the war? Sure seems like we agree.

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He will refuse to agree that we all seemingly agree. "It wasn't slavery, it was the man holding us down", you know not letting us have slaves

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Originally Posted by Tom

Private is ok, for now!

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Yes, barring a change to the constitution.

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Originally Posted by Tom

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

My family fought under Sherman to keep the Union whole, not for human rights issues. I'm glad it all worked out because the argument had existed since the days of the Revolution and was a sticking point of the southern States to agree to the rebellion in the first place. Just to be clear, I don't see any reason for that flag to fly anywhere but in a museum.

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You actually helped my point "fought to keep the union whole, not for human rights issues", I suppose we can agree to disagree but my point was the civil war was not just about slavery yet it was used as a "fuse". Not every southern home had a slave and not every unionist fought to free slaves.

The funny thing is the north had no issue with slavery under British rule until the revolution and after that their industry suffered and they had no use. Think about this a moment, if the revolution did not impact the norths economy they would have kept slaves because they needed them.

Would a civil war still have happened? I believe so because the under lying issue was "the man", slavery was a sticking point and easiest to exploit.

End of day obviously slavery was a horrid abuse and glad it ended.

As far as the flag goes, personally it makes no difference to me since I have to history with it but it says something about our world and the USA.

Be careful what flag you fly because if popular media suddenly tells us all it's bad and moves government to remove it and outlaw it, what's next?

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The way it went down was that the North was sick of being pushed around by the South and their money and them counting slaves as people per capita, therefore getting more representation in the House that they didn't deserve, this is what made the North declare that slaves were Three-Fifths of a Man to take away power from the South and their abusive ways. Slavery wasn't the sticking point, it is what the South used to gain power in Congress that they didn't deserve because slaves can't vote. The South got pissed and said we're keeping our money and cotton and slaves and you get the high hat.

It was about money and power and the use of slaves to offset that balance.

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

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Originally Posted by Tom

Private is ok, for now!

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Yes, barring a change to the constitution.

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A change, you mean like the liberty the Federal Government takes with trying to change them? I will say this I am no supporter of most right wing things at all, guns etc BUT if these slightly nutty people did not fight some fights where would we be?

btw...

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,” he began, going on to say that he opposed blacks having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with whites. What he did believe was that, like all men, blacks had the right to improve their condition in society and to enjoy the fruits of their labor. In this way they were equal to white men, and for this reason slavery was inherently unjust."

You know who that was? Lincoln. So he wanted negros to have the right to get the fruits of their labor and be free but from the other side of his mouth, they are not equal.

And yes I agree and no I do not to why the war started lol We agree on many respects and I think I just look at the angle differently, not as cut and dry.

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

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Originally Posted by Tom

You actually helped my point "fought to keep the union whole, not for human rights issues", I suppose we can agree to disagree but my point was the civil war was not just about slavery yet it was used as a "fuse". Not every southern home had a slave and not every unionist fought to free slaves.

The funny thing is the north had no issue with slavery under British rule until the revolution and after that their industry suffered and they had no use. Think about this a moment, if the revolution did not impact the norths economy they would have kept slaves because they needed them.

Would a civil war still have happened? I believe so because the under lying issue was "the man", slavery was a sticking point and easiest to exploit.

End of day obviously slavery was a horrid abuse and glad it ended.

As far as the flag goes, personally it makes no difference to me since I have to history with it but it says something about our world and the USA.

Be careful what flag you fly because if popular media suddenly tells us all it's bad and moves government to remove it and outlaw it, what's next?

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The way it went down was that the North was sick of being pushed around by the South and their money and them counting slaves as people per capita, therefore getting more representation in the House that they didn't deserve, this is what made the North declare that slaves were Three-Fifths of a Man to take away power from the South and their abusive ways. Slavery wasn't the sticking point, it is what the South used to gain power in Congress that they didn't deserve because slaves can't vote. The South got pissed and said we're keeping our money and cotton and slaves and you get the high hat.

It was about money and power and the use of slaves to offset that balance.

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I agree, in fact read about 7 posts up, I mention money in just that respect.

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Originally Posted by Tom

Be careful what flag you fly because if popular media suddenly tells us all it's bad and moves government to remove it and outlaw it, what's next?

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That sure is a weird spin to put on things.

I think the opposite of what you're complaining about is happening. Freedom of expression gives us a marketplace of ideas, and this is just a stock that is tanking. The government did not compel Amazon and Walmart to take these flags off their shelves. The market dictated that.

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True, people suddenly had a realization across America and didn't need the media or government news conferences...the word sheeple comes to mind.

Why then were these outlets available to purchase until this week? Do you think they sell at a loss. It was out of fear of backlash, not some moral compass that suddenly pointed north. Should we applaud that?

Sounds like there's a closet racist in this thread and his name is Tom.

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Originally Posted by anonamoose

Sounds like there's a closet racist in this thread and his name is Tom.

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That would be something considering I am black.

It's called a discussion a little devil's advocate and debate.

Just because one is African American does not mean they suddenly play a card and avoid looking at history. I can be glad slavery was abolished and rational as to exactly why and what the factors were. I would have supported Lincoln of course, yes freedom sounds wonderful, thank you but he wouldn't have invited me into a political discussion or allow any position equal to a white man in government because after all I am a negro still. I had the right to be "equal" but with a cap of course.

In fact the only real political discussion he had with a black delegation in Washington one summer was one where he really did not want ideas, his was a possible ship back to Africa is memory serves me right. You know to free them of the stain of slavery, why should we live among them.


Ask an average black person if they like Lincoln, odds are they reply yes of course, some of us choose to see things for what they really were and educate ourselves.
Truth hurts sometimes.

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Sounds like there's a closet racist in this thread and his name is Tom.

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That would be something considering I am black.

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Sounds like there's a closet racist in this thread and his name is Tom.

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That would be something considering I am black.

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You should have made your screen name Uncle Tom......

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That would be something considering I am black.

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You should have made your screen name Uncle Tom......

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That has actually been a on going joke most of my life.

Gotta love WI.

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Just because one is African American does not mean they suddenly play a card and avoid looking at history. I can be glad slavery was abolished and rational as to exactly why and what the factors were. I would have supported Lincoln of course, yes freedom sounds wonderful, thank you but he wouldn't have invited me into a political discussion or allow any position equal to a white man in government because after all I am a negro still. I had the right to be "equal" but with a cap of course.

In fact the only real political discussion he had with a black delegation in Washington one summer was one where he really did not want ideas, his was a possible ship back to Africa is memory serves me right. You know to free them of the stain of slavery, why should we live among them.

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You're right. Frederick Douglass was obviously a sham.

Tom how did you become a member of this twisted little click of ours?

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Just because one is African American does not mean they suddenly play a card and avoid looking at history. I can be glad slavery was abolished and rational as to exactly why and what the factors were. I would have supported Lincoln of course, yes freedom sounds wonderful, thank you but he wouldn't have invited me into a political discussion or allow any position equal to a white man in government because after all I am a negro still. I had the right to be "equal" but with a cap of course.

In fact the only real political discussion he had with a black delegation in Washington one summer was one where he really did not want ideas, his was a possible ship back to Africa is memory serves me right. You know to free them of the stain of slavery, why should we live among them.

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You're right. Frederick Douglass was obviously a sham.

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My good man he was anything but a sham, in fact if here today he would agree with my opinion of Lincoln.

It was with that very man that summer he didn't want to truly listen to and pitched the idea of a ship back to Africa and removing the stain of slavery (literally) from the country! Douglass has been quoted as saying Lincoln makes himself look "ridiculous".

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Originally Posted by adamantium

Tom how did you become a member of this twisted little click of ours?

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Well, I simply googled a term I had interest in and a topi was on going here in relation to it. So I joined, I also don't mind a little holdem from time to time myself.

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Originally Posted by adamantium

Tom how did you become a member of this twisted little click of ours?

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Well, I simply googled a term I had interest in and a topi was on going here in relation to it. So I joined, I also don't mind a little holdem from time to time myself.

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LOL WTF did you google?

no offense but Im putting a bounty on the n-word next week ;)

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no offense but Im putting a bounty on the n-word next week ;)

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Non taken.

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You're right. Frederick Douglass was obviously a sham.

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My good man he was anything but a sham, in fact if here today he would agree with my opinion of Lincoln.

It was with that very man that summer he didn't want to truly listen to and pitched the idea of a ship back to Africa and removing the stain of slavery (literally) from the country! Douglass has been quoted as saying Lincoln makes himself look "ridiculous".

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I'm no history buff, but I believe you're taking things out of context here. Frederick was initially a detractor of Lincoln but quickly changed his attitude towards Lincoln after meeting with him several times and going to several speeches. He was an advocate for Lincoln at the time of his assassination.

Yes I know but just because someone supports you does not mean they like all of your ideas.

There is no light switch in the human brain, I cannot dislike you one day and the next like everything about you.

Quite shocked this thread isn't exponentially more racist (on this board)

Well done folks there is hope...

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Originally Posted by adamantium

Tom how did you become a member of this twisted little click of ours?

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If this is a clique it's a misclique.

I think I remember Tom coming here claiming to not be so and so when he is probably in fact so and so or maybe even the owner before so and so. Old sheboon would have had a holiday with the good uncle. I would have probably become convinced that he was micon, druff, or maybe even myself.

Today sheboon has been in vegas too long and even little dumb shit that I usually rise above is bothering me because it's a fucking chore to rise above the casino level up into the Ipanema tower. I think there are currently 2 of 10 rise above machines in service.

Also it is becoming more clear why so many people hate each other who grew up in densely populated areas. I swear to baby jesus that I'm gonna tackle the next person that suddenly changes path, meanders, or even slows down in what every non euron-word should recognize as a tight walkway. You get a two second apology window and if you fail I'm gonna accidentally trip and tackle you to the ground.


P.S. groups of people that walk three to 4 abreast slowly in tight walkways deserve 200 years in hell.

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Blacks walk so fucking slow. It's almost slow motion. I could stop and Betsy Ross the Confederate flag while these jiggaboos still haven't let me by.

Walking time from Ipanema to convention center

White: Seven Minutes

Chinamen: Eight Minutes (efficient but tiny baby legs)

Essays: 10 minutes (that weird essay strut is no no efficiento even with the white knee length socks poking out of basically Capri pants to cut threw the breeze)

Iranians: I wouldn't know. The putrid smell makes me either run past or turn around

Blacks: I've never clocked one but it has to be close to a half hour. It's this slow motion stevie wonder to the left and right shit mixed with loud laughter and nervous polite laughter from whatever white they trapped into conversation.

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Originally Posted by adamantium

Tom how did you become a member of this twisted little click of ours?

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If this is a clique it's a misclique.

I think I remember Tom coming here claiming to not be so and so when he is probably in fact so and so or maybe even the owner before so and so. Old sheboon would have had a holiday with the good uncle. I would have probably become convinced that he was micon, druff, or maybe even myself.

Today sheboon has been in vegas too long and even little dumb shit that I usually rise above is bothering me because it's a fucking chore to rise above the casino level up into the Ipanema tower. I think there are currently 2 of 10 rise above machines in service.

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You couldn't possibly have meant this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmR35yDU2j8

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Originally Posted by adamantium

Tom how did you become a member of this twisted little click of ours?

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If this is a clique it's a misclique.

I think I remember Tom coming here claiming to not be so and so when he is probably in fact so and so or maybe even the owner before so and so. Old sheboon would have had a holiday with the good uncle. I would have probably become convinced that he was micon, druff, or maybe even myself.

Today sheboon has been in vegas too long and even little dumb shit that I usually rise above is bothering me because it's a fucking chore to rise above the casino level up into the Ipanema tower. I think there are currently 2 of 10 rise above machines in service.

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I am who I am.

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Originally Posted by Tom

Yes I know but just because someone supports you does not mean they like all of your ideas.

There is no light switch in the human brain, I cannot dislike you one day and the next like everything about you.

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Yeah, you can. That's the beauty of being able to think freely. In fact Frederick admitted it himself:

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In his last autobiography, The Life & Times of Frederick Douglass, Douglass referred to Lincoln as America's "greatest President". Moreover, the post-war (1865) ratification of the 13th Amendment outlawed slavery. The 14th Amendment provided for citizenship and equal protection under the law. The 15th Amendment protected all citizens from being discriminated against in voting because of race.[46]

On April 14, 1876, Douglass delivered the keynote speech at the unveiling of the Emancipation Memorial in Washington's Lincoln Park. In that speech, Douglass spoke frankly about Lincoln, noting what he perceived as both positive and negative attributes of the late President. Calling Lincoln "the white man's president", Douglass criticized Lincoln's tardiness in joining the cause of emancipation, noting that Lincoln initially opposed the expansion of slavery but did not support its elimination. But Douglass also asked, "Can any colored man, or any white man friendly to the freedom of all men, ever forget the night which followed the first day of January 1863, when the world was to see if Abraham Lincoln would prove to be as good as his word?"[65] Douglass also said: "Though Mr. Lincoln shared the prejudices of his white fellow-countrymen against the Negro, it is hardly necessary to say that in his heart of hearts he loathed and hated slavery...."

The crowd, roused by his speech, gave Douglass a standing ovation. Lincoln's widow Mary Lincoln supposedly gave Lincoln's favorite walking-stick to Douglass in appreciation. That walking-stick still rests in Douglass's final residence, "Cedar Hill", now preserved as the Frederick Douglass National Historic Site.

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Dude had the biggest hard on for Lincoln. Get over it.

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Yeah, you can. That's the beauty of being able to think freely. In fact Frederick admitted it himself:

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In his last autobiography, The Life & Times of Frederick Douglass, Douglass referred to Lincoln as America's "greatest President". Moreover, the post-war (1865) ratification of the 13th Amendment outlawed slavery. The 14th Amendment provided for citizenship and equal protection under the law. The 15th Amendment protected all citizens from being discriminated against in voting because of race.[46]

On April 14, 1876, Douglass delivered the keynote speech at the unveiling of the Emancipation Memorial in Washington's Lincoln Park. In that speech, Douglass spoke frankly about Lincoln, noting what he perceived as both positive and negative attributes of the late President. Calling Lincoln "the white man's president", Douglass criticized Lincoln's tardiness in joining the cause of emancipation, noting that Lincoln initially opposed the expansion of slavery but did not support its elimination. But Douglass also asked, "Can any colored man, or any white man friendly to the freedom of all men, ever forget the night which followed the first day of January 1863, when the world was to see if Abraham Lincoln would prove to be as good as his word?"[65] Douglass also said: "Though Mr. Lincoln shared the prejudices of his white fellow-countrymen against the Negro, it is hardly necessary to say that in his heart of hearts he loathed and hated slavery...."

The crowd, roused by his speech, gave Douglass a standing ovation. Lincoln's widow Mary Lincoln supposedly gave Lincoln's favorite walking-stick to Douglass in appreciation. That walking-stick still rests in Douglass's final residence, "Cedar Hill", now preserved as the Frederick Douglass National Historic Site.

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Dude had the biggest hard on for Lincoln. Get over it.

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Ok , you are correct I am wrong, people cannot just smile and say nice things to make others happy as long as they got what they wanted in the end.

What did you want him to do, in the end say he disliked the "semi"-racist Lincoln and he doesn't support his move to free slaves?

We disagree obviously which is cool, free thinking right :)

Anonamoose loves healthy debate and respects all opinions Tom.

I must attend other business now down the road but enjoyed our healthy discussion gentlemen.

Until next time.

Tom D.C.

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Originally Posted by adamantium

Tom how did you become a member of this twisted little click of ours?

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If this is a clique it's a misclique.

I think I remember Tom coming here claiming to not be so and so when he is probably in fact so and so or maybe even the owner before so and so. Old sheboon would have had a holiday with the good uncle. I would have probably become convinced that he was micon, druff, or maybe even myself.

Today sheboon has been in vegas too long and even little dumb shit that I usually rise above is bothering me because it's a fucking chore to rise above the casino level up into the Ipanema tower. I think there are currently 2 of 10 rise above machines in service.

Also it is becoming more clear why so many people hate each other who grew up in densely populated areas. I swear to baby jesus that I'm gonna tackle the next person that suddenly changes path, meanders, or even slows down in what every non euron-word should recognize as a tight walkway. You get a two second apology window and if you fail I'm gonna accidentally trip and tackle you to the ground.


P.S. groups of people that walk three to 4 abreast slowly in tight walkways deserve 200 years in hell.

P.P.S.

Blacks walk so fucking slow. It's almost slow motion. I could stop and Betsy Ross the Confederate flag while these jiggaboos still haven't let me by.

Walking time from Ipanema to convention center

White: Seven Minutes

Chinamen: Eight Minutes (efficient but tiny baby legs)

Essays: 10 minutes (that weird essay strut is no no efficiento even with the white knee length socks poking out of basically Capri pants to cut threw the breeze)

Iranians: I wouldn't know. The putrid smell makes me either run past or turn around

Blacks: I've never clocked one but it has to be close to a half hour. It's this slow motion stevie wonder to the left and right shit mixed with loud laughter and nervous polite laughter from whatever white they trapped into conversation.

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Originally Posted by anonamoose

Yeah, you can. That's the beauty of being able to think freely. In fact Frederick admitted it himself:



Dude had the biggest hard on for Lincoln. Get over it.

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Ok , you are correct I am wrong, people cannot just smile and say nice things to make others happy as long as they got what they wanted in the end.

What did you want him to do, in the end say he disliked the "semi"-racist Lincoln and he doesn't support his move to free slaves?

We disagree obviously which is cool, free thinking right :)

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There's nothing to disagree about here? What point are you trying to make? Frederick Douglass referred to him as the "greatest president" and got what he was fighting for BECAUSE of Lincoln. Just because they had some disagreements on what should be done doesn't mean he hated Lincoln.

I mean there's no debate here, Frederick Douglass was an advocate of Lincoln in the end. There's no evidence that suggests otherwise, other than your shitty opinion almost 150 years after the fact. Notice how I'm actually presenting facts, and you're just going "well yeah that's just your opinion man." No it's not my opinion, it's the facts. Provide facts otherwise and then we can talk. Otherwise, like I said what is your point? There's nothing to prove here.

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Originally Posted by Nikki

The united negro collage fund seems racists may as well rid of that to

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Too bad they didn't let you finish the 3rd grade

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[the word sheeple comes to mind.

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