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Originally Posted by PLOL
Yeah, but I go for the 1 outer and try to stay alive until the last possible moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Who knows? stand still and watch your face melt into you're hands or jump? Thank fuck it wasn't us. Lord of the Fraud said where are all the terrorists? Most of them are thick as fuck.We had Robert Reid who couldn't blow his trainer up. And the Illuminati love it. We are all their sheep.Thats all.
I'm just thankful it all took place on a Hollywood movie set. Some idiots believe it actually happened.
No one has introduced the theory that this was all 7-11's grand scheme to
introduce their new Falafel.
You gotta wonder whether Corporate has mixed feelings on this happening on the 9th.
I'm curious what one outer you think was possible in that situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLOLYeah, but I go for the 1 outer and try to stay alive until the last possible moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Smoke inhalation coupled with extreme temperatures forced these people to jump. That pretty much was their one outer. No offense, but speculating how you might have handled this if it were you is pretty much impossible. There is no way to imagine the Hell these people were facing at that moment.
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Originally Posted by vegas1369I'm curious what one outer you think was possible in that situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLOL
Smoke inhalation coupled with extreme temperatures forced these people to jump. That pretty much was their one outer. No offense, but speculating how you might have handled this if it were you is pretty much impossible. There is no way to imagine the Hell these people were facing at that moment.
gee, that sound vaguely familiar
interesting perspective
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Originally Posted by Tyde
SHUT IT DOWN PLOP
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Originally Posted by JACKDANIELS
Great points here, continue...
Jumping was totally reasonable, given the low chance of rescue and torturous circumstances of heat and thick smoke choking these people to death.
You don't know if you would jump until actually in that situation.
Regarding conspiracy theories:
Government did 9/11: 0% chance
Civilian planes didn't hit towers: 0% chance
US backed terrorists to commit these crimes: 0% chance
Plane never hit Pentagon: 0% chance
Government forced twin towers to collapse with dynamite: 0% chance
WTC 7 was intentionally destroyed: Tiny chance but possible
Flight 93 was shot down: Small chance but possible
However, even if WTC 7 was intentionally destroyed and Flight 93 was shot down, that doesn't make any of the other conspiracy theories more true.
I believe there is a tiny chance WTC 7 was intentionally destroyed because it was collateral damage from the twin towers collapsing, and thus the fires and damage could have been set up after the twin towers' collapse, and it would have been hard to question, especially with little attention being paid to WTC 7 at the time. However, this theory is still pretty out there. Why would it need to be destroyed by our own government? And how would they be ready for this opportunity if the twin towers attack was a surprise? Personally I think there's only a tiny chance that this wasn't just an after-effect of damage sustained from the twin towers' collapse.
Regarding flight 93, again I believe the official version of events. There is no doubt that the passengers were going to start a revolt, and that the plane crashed very shortly after that. However, it is also known that fighter jets had scrambled to intercept flight 93, and that it would have been shot down if it hadn't been crashed into that field by the pilots. I do think it's possible (though not likely) that it was shot down, and that the goverment chose to stick with the passenger revolt story, since that was happening simultaneously and would not cause any controversy. However, there were flight recordings of the terrorists saying that they were putting the plane down (as a result of the passenger revolt), so again this conspiracy theory is unlikely.
Saying there's a 'chance' that some parts of 9/11 was a conspiracy. But 0% chance on other parts, doesn't really make sense.
If the government conspired in some parts, then surely they're capable of conspiring in other 'bigger' parts.
I think people totally dismissing the conspiracy side of things just haven't watched/read the research done by some of the dedicated, and in lots of cases, professional people.
I'm personally in the corner of it being nothing other than a terrorist attack. Because if it wasn't, everything around us would all be a lie.
Also, a million different things happened that day. So it's only natural that lots of inconsistencies will occur.
But the serious questions that a lot of people are asking about that day do intrigue me, I have to admit.
My mind will always remain open to the conspiracy aspect of 9/11.
I don't think there's any chance that there was a conspiracy.
I named two elements that might have been after-the-fact lies.
It is easier to tell the public that Flight 93 crashed because the terrorists put it down than the fact that the military shot it out of the sky.
And perhaps the twin towers falling (from a legit terrorist attack) made someone (maybe the government, maybe someone else) realize that it was the perfect opportunity to level WTC 7 for some reason, especially because nobody would get killed and there would be limited investigation into the matter.
Neither of these are "conspiracy" theories, but rather just keeping an open mind to a slim possibility of some after-the-fact actions by the government that they'd rather not admit.
But I think they're highly unlikely, especially the WTC 7 thing.
At least those can be believable by a stretch of the imagination.
The others, involving the government setting up the whole 9/11 in some way, are just absurd, especially with all of the evidence countering it.
How about we flip to the section in the Official 9/11 Commission Report that details WTC7? Wait...what's that? Not one mention? K, nevermind.
That's a bit of a stinker for me. The rest makes sense to me, but why no proper investigation into building 7?
How long after the twin towers did WTC 7 collapse. I'd think the area was too dangerous still for the government to bring down WTC 7.
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Originally Posted by Pooh
late afternoon vs morning for the towers. and i agree. any controlled demo i've seen, is done to buildings stripped down to almost their bare frame. Not fully functioning skyscrapers the size of WTC, or any size for that matter.
I have no problem with some theories about 9/11, the official story leaves a lot to the imagination considering the half assed investigation that followed. But even the "truth" movement is clouded in bullshit, with shit like the no plane theory, Loose Change morons, Judy Wood and her star wars direct energy weapon crusade.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html
2 planes hit WTC 1 and WTC 2
but apparently the flying rubble that landed on top of Building 7 caused a roof fire that miraculously forced it's total collapse demolition style 8 hours later
LOL @ the list of tenants and lease-holders that occupied WTC 7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...d_Trade_Center
Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options… Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these “insiders” would have profited by almost $5 million.
On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance;… Again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent “insiders,” they would represent a gain of about $4 million.
No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.
Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6.
Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million.
Merrill Lynch & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day [a 1200% increase!].
When trading resumed, Merrill’s shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by “insiders,” their profit would have been about $5.5 million.
Suppressed Details of Criminal Insider Trading lead directly into the CIA`s Highest Ranks
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html
You see I read all that shit and think something HAS to be a miss. And there's tons more indescrepencies like posted above too.
But then I think. Would one's own government really create destruction on such a mass scale upon its own people? Sounds totally inconceivable, right?
Then I think of people like Bush and Cheney who were foaming at the mouth to start a war with a country who despised terrorist organizations such as Al Qaeda.
It just made no sense to invade Iraq which was on the other side of the planet and posed absolutely no threat to the USA or West in general.
But then you look at who profited most from lighting Iraq up? Bush for a start has more oil connections than the whole cast of Dallas.
And as for Cheney. Well he was the CEO and Chairman of Halliburton for around 6 years just prior to 9/11. Halliburton profited from that war for a reported $40 Billion
So when they stand there addressing the nation spouting words such as "freedom" blah blah ---- just at least entertain the thought that you are getting totally fucking played by an organization of very powerful and greedy human beings........... Are they in it for you, or are they in it for themselves and a whole load of faceless people you didn't even know existed?
I'll still never believe that an American government would murder its own people on a mass scale. But I'll always be open to 9/11 not being totally about a bunch of Saudis brazenly highjacking 4 airplanes.
All conspiracy nonsense that nobody will ever prove anyway. At least in our lifetimes.
watching the points made in the Loose Change documentary have to make you think though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I'm sure after seeing the North and South Towers going down someone said to his mate "Quick the world's media is focused on those buildings, lets just load up some spare dynamite, sneak in, rig it properly, and set it off without anyone noticing".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You guys might not like hearing what I have to say - seen as this site is mainly Americans who likely suffer an emotional bias due to the heavy brainwashing that the mainstream media subjects you to - but the towers were mainly unleased since they were first built in 1972.
So other than some insurance firms that worked there, they were mostly empty:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/238973065/...Center-on-9-11
Now take another look at the videos in OP, if you watch close enough you can see the digital renderings, just pause it frame-by-frame at the moment of impact and you can see how fake it is.
9/11 was a massive hoax yet most people still can't see the CGI in full effect, and instead cling onto the official narrative.
I noticed somebody mentioned the documentary loose change, my advice is to steer well clear of these types of dis-info. There have been 'shills' at work on this since it happened. They are obviously employed by intelligence insiders who want to 'control' the opposition.
There's a forum where the guys on there have compiled a list of all the simulated victims and the people behind the creations:
http://cluesforum.info/
We've been sold a lie, it wasn't just WTC 7 that was 'pulled', all three buildings were brought down the same standard way in which all demolitions take place. No reason for anybody to die, that was never part of the plan.