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In the Madison poker community Facebook page they have been running sattilites to Aruba ppc. We have been able to pay someone on PayPal and get funds sent to us. I've heared that we are also able to cash out the same way guy will send us PayPal for full flush funds. Wondering if he has anymore an answers to the slow payouts
I am really surprised at 2 plus 2 poker admins response to all this. Bobo Fett comes into that thread to warn against anymore khan bashing. What a joke. This khan has them in his pocets. 2 plus 2 mods are protecting someone khan who is fleecing the poker community and people who are 2 plus 2 readers and being protected by the admins. Shamefull.
I'm not surprised the admins are covering it up, deleting messages, and telling people not to "attack" Kahn (lol).
2+2 postures as a pillar of the poker community, but in reality they are very greedy and self-centered. This was the same site which attempted to censor the Stoxtrader multi-accounting scandal several times, until Viffer finally got involved in posting about it and it became too big to suppress. They did this because Stoxtrader was one of their authors.
This is also the same site which happily took Lock Poker ads while they were no-paying, until enough users raised issue about it and the situation became too hot to handle.
Clearly Kahn has some kind of relationship with the mods/site. Maybe he's advertised there, maybe he's just befriended some of them over time, but clearly there's some kind of bias in his favor.
Here is Boba Fett's message, where he first agrees with a Full Flush apologist, and then lambasts someone giving a hard time to Kahn:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1809Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Total BS.
I've read this thread, and there aren't personal attacks against Kahn, aside from ones directly related to the situation.
It's not like people are attacking his looks or personal mannerisms. They are bashing his ACTONS, which are those of an ACCOMPLICE TO A SCAM.
Boy I hate 2+2 sometimes. Fucking hypocrites.
Rofl at bobo fett. I want some of what he is smoking.His last comment about not derailing a cashout thread when he has to know based as a halfway intelligent person that full flush has met the same end as lock poker and by making statements like that he is going to have more people lose money. The fact that he put a smiley face at the end of that ridiculous statement just shows doesn't care less about people getting rolled at this point.
And LOL again. Bobo reposted in that thread threatening warnings and ban infractions when someone referred him to here. Thats some doug lee shit right there.
Boy this Bobo Fett is really a fucking asshole.
Someone named JasuiZ quoted one of my posts from this thread (where I had 5 questions for Kahn) and said to Bobo, "Best way to stop it: could you ask kahn if he can answer for 5 simple questions?"
Bobo responded with the following nasty answer:
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
What a callous dickhead.
Kahn is an obvious accomplice to an obvious scam, where several 2+2 users are out TENS OF THOUSANDS EACH, and Bobo is trying to protect him?
Bobo actually thinks that people should ask Kahn questions about Full Flush PRIVATELY?
Talk about blaming the victim. He's going to delete posts and hand out infractions to the victims who want to know where their money went, while protecting the scammer who is still promoting a non-paying poker site.
Anyone know who this Bobo Fett asshole really is?
Pretty sure he Is sklanskys right hand man taking care of all advertising related matters. Saw pictures of him at 2 plus 2 meetup in vegas looks to be 50ish plus years old . Usually pretty level headed from what I saw before, the way he is acting now is absurd.
I am guessing that Kahn has been kissing his ass (and maybe has been for quite some time), so he wants to believe that his e-buddy isn't as bad as everyone is saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fartapotomous
It's also possible that Kahn has been paying 2+2 for advertising or perhaps the allowance to promote his site on the forums.
So he's feigning neutrality while trying to censor as much as possible, and also protect Kahn's reputation at the same time (lol "no personal attacks" when people accuse him of scamming -- WHICH HE IS).
After Blackfriday Kahn moved to Toronto. Bobo lives in Toronto; so they at the very least have that in common.
I once got along with Kahn because of our similar beliefs about Lock Poker. It's hard to imagine now but there was a time, after Lock left the Merge Network, that to criticize Lock resulted in really harsh flaming from posters on 2+2. Kahn and I believed that Lock had an unworkable business plan since they were giving away all of their profits in promotions. We were just about the only 2 people criticizing Lock at the time. A lot of people on 2+2 mistakenly thought that Kahn and I worked together.
When Merge closed their subforum, I could see that Kahn was bullying and lying to posters on 2+2 about the Merge Network. He tried really hard to suppress criticism of Carbon through ridicule and sending 2+2 posters who disagreed with him very harsh pm's, myself included.
Kahn's posts are often very vague. I've referred to his posts as something written by Nostradamus. His posts are very often compromised of just little hints that he knows what is happening without providing any useful information. I've criticized him many times because he rarely states whether what he is saying comes from an actual source or if he is just expressing his own opinion.
I also think that he greatly overrepresents the connections that he has with the online poker companies. He was caught completely off guard when Jazette bought the Merge Network. Kahn had written a long scathing post about Jazette being a dishonest company. He was completely unaware that Jazette had already bought Merge. A poster not long after had to explain to Kahn that it had already been in the media that Merge had been sold. Despite the fact that Kahn was portraying himself as someone with close connectins to the company, he didn't even know who owned the company.
Kahn put himself in kind of a sticky situation there. He had just called out Jazette as being dishonest yet he wanted to continue to be an affiliate for Carbon. So what can he do there to fix things? Well, he came up with the phony story that Jazette and Carbon were separate but had equal ownership of the company. That way he could promote Carbon while not promoting the Jazette skins on his website.
The truth of the matter is that Carbon, although still privately owned, essentially became a skin of the newly owned company. It was pretty obvious that this was true since Carbon was caught off guard by a number of changes that screwed over members. And I also knew that Jazette was calling the shots for the entire network because I saw a skype chat where CarbonRyan stated that he assumed that it was common knowledge that Jazette was running things.
So for a couple of years Kahn promoted his lie. He bullied and ridiculed players who complained about the many ways that Merge had screwed them over. But now that Merge has announced that it will no longer pay affiliates, Kahn recently did a complete flip flop and has gleefully announced that all of the affiliates are going to destroy the Merge Network which he now says is a horrible company. So, I have no confidence at all in anything he tells us about FullFlush.
As far as Bobo goes, I'm completely mystified that he hasn't banned Kahn 10 times over. Privately I've told Bobo that I just don't understand how Kahn can get away with what he gets away with. Last month after over 5 years of posting on 2+2 and over 4 thousands posts, I told Bobo that I was through with 2+2 and haven't logged on since.
Hmmm. Is it possible based on santa cruz report back that possibly bobo fett has some collaborative business dealings with khan that involve full flush. Plus his coming into the thread and stating to get the withdrawl thread back on track? Bobos actions in that thread would make a lot more sense if that was the case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2c5ScM6Q4o
Ole Bobo Fett himself at 11:15 mark
LOL this 2+2 guy doesn't understand very much:
Uh, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeyvN
Full Flush doesn't need rake. Right now they are raking imaginary money.
What they need are fresh, new deposits from poor suckers who don't realize they're broke.
Guys like Kahn are assisting in the scam, helping to convince those suckers to whip out those credit cards.
The only good that "activity" will do for Full Flush at this point is provide games for the new depositing fish.
But right now their main concern is deposits, and there's clearly only a trickle coming in compared to what needs to go out.
I am seeing someone reported a small moneygram payment was made, so it looks like Full Flush is taking the Lock model of paying a few (usually small) cashouts here and there, in order to give the impression that they're not broke.
Here's what kahn posted on 2+2 a few days ago:
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FYI, the T&C were updated to something much more reasonable:
"This promotion excludes all Poker real-money play and Live Casino play and the bonus and qualifying deposit cannot be used to play any other games than games in the casino section. Playing other games with the bonus or with the qualifying deposit voids the offer and bonus and any winnings will be removed from player balance."
The bonus was also reduced to $100 per day.
I know that that will do little to assuage the fears of some of you. But nonetheless, the promotion has been turned into something financially sustainable and reasonable. Make of it what you will.
That's it.
He didn't answer anyone's questions or concerns.
He simply made this bullshit post about the bonus terms, and ditched the thread again.
LOL
In addition, his points above are a bunch of crap.
Basically, he's answering the critics of the "100% instant deposit bonus" by pointing out that Full Flush just changed the terms to where the max bonus amount is $100, and it's only good in the casino.
That's supposed to be a good thing, according to him, because it indicates that Full Flush is placing these restrictions on so they can be "financially sustainable" long term. He's trying to make the point that they would simply make the bonus huge and unrestricted if they were simply stealing everyone's money.
However, he's neglecting the fact that the Equity Network has other skins, and Full Flush owes money to these other skins if their players lose to players on the others skins. So Full Flush is better off not injecting their OWN MONEY into the situation, which can end up being owed to the other skins.
The Equity Network (owned by Full Flush) claims that it escrows money between the skins, in order to insure that no skins get screwed. However, they do NOT hold player balances, as that is the responsibility of each skin.
So how is Full Flush able to pay the other skins, if they're broke?
I'm guessing that Full Flush is actually an overall winning skin. They probably have more grinder types, while sites like Heritage Sports (another Equity skin) probably have more fish. So right now, I'm guessing there is a POSITIVE cash flow from the other skins to Full Flush, so they don't have to worry about owing money at the end of the month to the other skins. On the contrary, they're thrilled to have this income source.
HOWEVER, depositing players to Full Flush are more likely to be the losing players, and the last thing Full Flush wants is to have those players losing DOUBLE (their deposit PLUS the bonus) to players on other skins. This could turn their positive cash flow into a negative, and they'd have a new problem on their hands (basically those skins dropping off the network, ending that source of income).
If Full Flush simply makes the deposit bonus usable in their own casino, it is likely nobody will end up clearing it before losing the money in attempt to roll it over.
It's not clear if people who deposited BEFORE the terms changed will still get to use it in the poker room.
Anyway, I don't think Full Flush is trying to simply steal everyone's money. I think that, like Full Tilt and Lock, they stole people's money to remain in operation, and now are trying to get enough new deposits to steal in order to get themselves out of the hole. So, yes, that still makes the site a scam and a fraud, and kahn should be ashamed to be promoting them.
Too bad he lacks the moral fiber to be ashamed like this, and would rather see good people getting cheated so he can line his pockets a bit more.
I was thinking the same as druff. Would be pretty fucked up if people deposited the 1000 for poker then told could only use it in the casino lol. But to be able to cashout wouldn't people who took the up to 1k bonus have to rake a certain amount? No brainer for full flush to steal and make it available only for their casino money would be effectively trapped wholy shit. Gotta love the cashout DEPARTMENT that is never there. Would have been a great time to sign up for heritage and bag all that money also as heritage paying out in bitcoin.
A few notes regarding Full Flush and Kahn:
- Kahn's real name is Jonathan Brown, and he lives in Lake Charles, Louisiana. I have known this for a long time, but did not post this info because I was hoping he would do the right thing. As he still remains a very willing and aware accomplice to an obvious scam, I have decided it's in the public's interest to name him. He claims to live in Baja California, Mexico. He might have at one point, but he doesn't now -- at least not for the most part.
- Kahn has removed the "Is Full Flush legit? Professional Rakeback believes that they are" segment from his review of the site. However, the current bonus promotion is still professionalrakeback's "bonus of the month", and the current review of the site claims, "Full Flush Poker offers players all of the standard deposit and withdrawal options that you would typically find at most us poker sites. These secure and timely options for deposits include credit card, Western Union, MoneyGram, and bitcoin for American players." So not only does his review claim that payouts are "timely" (complete LIE) but he does not mention ANYTHING about payout issues, which of course is super shady.
- Professionalrakeback is the only site allowed to offer rakeback for Full Flush. Per professionalrakeback's own site: "This is the only website on the entire Internet allowed to offer legal rakeback on the Equity Poker Network via the network flagship, Full Flush Poker." This is very strange and non-standard. Why wouldn't Full Flush allow other rakeback sites (including those larger than professionalrakeback) to offer rakeback there? This obviously indicates some very close relationship between Full Flush and Kahn, and perhaps more than that. I wouldn't be surprised if Kahn was a partial owner. In any case, clearly he is very invested in the success of Full Flush, and that's why he is lying to everyone and furthering the scam.
If you have money stuck on Full Flush Poker and you signed up through professionalrakeback, you do have some legal options to recover the funds through a lawsuit against Johnathan Brown (kahn).
This is because he is not simply an affiliate, but rather has some kind of exclusive partnership with the site to promote them and receive compensation in the form of a share of profits. As he has acknowledged being aware of the payout issues (through his participation in the 2+2 thread, as well as here), he is knowingly promoting both an illegal gambling site AND a scam/ponzi scheme, and is partaking in a share of the scam's profits.
Laws in all fifty states, as well as federal law, make it illegal (both civilly and criminally) to knowingly act as an agent of a scam or illegal scheme.
I strongly urge Jonathan Brown to take down all affiliate links and immediately disassociate himself with Full Flush Poker, including forwarding all information he has on the Full Flush ownership.
I also strongly urge Mr. Brown to contact an experienced attorney regarding his liabilities.
That's all I can say right now. Please contact anyone who has money stuck on Full Flush, and direct them either to this thread or to my PM box.
Interesting, is he Johnathan Brown himself an attorney?(lol if so)
No, the guy you googled is a black attorney with the same name in the same city. He has nothing to do with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fartapotomous
The Jonathan Brown we're dealing with is white.
It's certainly getting harder and harder for me to believe that Kahn doesn't have a closer relationship with FullFlush than just being one of their advertisers.
In the mean time another post just got deleted because someone made an extremely mild criticism about a post Kahn wrote about tables filling up like magic early in the morning on WPN. The post was made by grensen who is a non-aggressive level headed poster on 2+2. It's in the "Where can US players play" thread. Grenzen posted afterwards in part, "Is Kahn the new mod here, why are my posts being deleted.?" The mods ended up getting grenzen to apologize for something he wasn't wrong about. Grenzen is someone who supported me in many posts; I hated to see him apologize. I wish I had been there to support him on that one.
The fact of the matter is that I play on WPN. So I know that starting a table early in the morning, in fact, doesn't fill up like magic at that hour like Kahn stated. Nothing even close to it. It's really all a trivial matter, but why should a post get deleted over something that trivial?
I see it as all part of a long standing pattern for Kahn. For years Kahn has tried to get every post that is even mildly critical of his opinions deleted. 2+2 recently seems to have really stepped in line with what Kahn wants.
Just a little before I quit 2+2, I wrote a post that was deleted for the most ridiculous reason and I was additionally chastised by Bobo for writing it. What could have been so terrible on my part that I would get that treatment?
Kahn had put an ad for his affiliate in the location space just below his avatar. That's a huge no-no on 2+2. Kahn had purposely and knowingly snuck it in. I know that because Kahn is the person who originally told me how serious an offense it was for an affiliate to promote business on 2+2. We also all know what happened to Daniel Negreanu when he inadvertently broke the rules a couple of years ago.
So within a much larger post, I wrote, 'I don't understand how Kahn gets away with writing an ad under his avatar'. That ad had been there for quite a while. Bobo did delete the ad after I mentioned it but I got in trouble for bringing it up in the forums, I assume because it made Kahn look bad. My entire post, not just that one sentence, got deleted.
I see forums as places where people should be able to speak freely as long as they obey certain rules of courtesy. I've called Kahn out on what he has written a number of times in the forums; but I've never called him names, I've never become personally derogatory towards him like a number of other posters have. I've never referred to him as a scammer (even though I personally believe he is). Yet Kahn seems to report post after post of mine to have them deleted. My background is in journalism so I really do take offense to the censorship that Kahn has long perpetuated in that forum.
The final straw for me on 2+2 was when I was writing in a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with FullFlush poker or with Kahn. But Kahn came into that thread and simply wrote a short snarky post saying something to the effect that I wasn't intelligent. No substance to his post whatsoever than one sentence written to insult me.
I think that it was the first post that I had ever reported of Kahn's. I told Bobo that I was absolutely flabbergasted that Kahn would have the audacity after spending the previously couple of weeks whining that every post I had written was a personal attack on him for him to then hypocritically step into a thread and insult me for absolutely no reason.
So what response did I get? I got a pm stating that I was receiving an infraction. That's right I had received an infraction.
I had posted on 2+2 for 5 and a half years and had never received a single infraction. Bobo said that I was receiving the infraction for going off topic in the thread that I was posting in. I hadn't gone off topic nor had I done anything even remotely close to doing anything deserving of an infraction. I had privately criticized Kahn for name calling. That's all there was to it. I've never had anything against Bobo. But after a back and forth with Bobo which was a complete waste of time, I pm'd him, "I'm done with 2+2. I've got better things to do with my time than to deal with this nonsense". I logged off and that was it.
The possibility does exists that Kahn has a very close association with FullFlush. And that close association may be leading Kahn to mislead players about FF. But where on 2+2 can posters even raise that question? Bobo has made it clear that to talk about Kahn in the FullFlush thread will probably lead to deletions and/or infractions. Starting a separate thread will almost certainly get deleted. 2+2 is supposedly a forum where players can learn about what it actually happening in the poker world. But when it comes to Kahn a protective wall has been built around him that makes it impossible to get any real answers.
2+2 is a shithole and I hope one day it comes out what hypocrites they are.
Mason loves to posture that his site exposes so many scandals in the poker world, and yet they are happy to cover up just as many if it suits them.
On this site I will never do that. Tell everyone who feels stifled on 2+2 to come over here, and no posts will be deleted.
I think that I just found a picture of Kahn. It's not particularly flattering considering that he is in his underwear drunk and wearing a bra. I don't know how to post images so I'll just post a link. I believe that he's the guy on the right holding a beer can to his head.
https://myspace.com/how_quaint_jon_brown/photos
:lol
Looks like Jonny Brown is actively reading this forum. He just killed the page.
It's literally been up there for 10 years.