There is nothing more important than voting for Bernie Sanders. This may be our last chance

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Originally Posted by Pooh

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If their employees weren't making slave wages this would be great.
If $20 out of the $157 billion went to their employee's maybe they wouldn't have to put nets around the building to prevent suicide.

Scroll right back up and really get a grasp at how big $157 billion is for 2 years for 14 people.. Do their hard working employees maybe deserve a bigger piece of the pie?

Their foreign employees work in some sweatshop making a dollar or two a day and their US counterparts make min. wage? Sounds fair right? You all know it's totally absurd. I don't expect you guys to come in here and say I'm right but come election day.
[X] Sanders
[ ] Hillary
then in the general
[X] Sanders
[ ] Trump

Anything less would be uncivilized.

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Fuck no they don't.

I always had the mentality of if you don't like what you are making then quit and go be your own boss and see how the real world works. 99% will be back working for that same wage and like it the other 1% will make it big. It's capitalism. I never understood the philosphy of penalizing people for being successful and giving their hard earned money to underprivileged retards. Again, if you don't like it do it yourself.

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The rudeness of someone to think that they deserve a piece of a business that they didn't create, invest in, or take even one iota of risk to start is the most brutally disturbing thing about any of this.

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Originally Posted by Pooh

Fuck no they don't.

I always had the mentality of if you don't like what you are making then quit and go be your own boss and see how the real world works. 99% will be back working for that same wage and like it the other 1% will make it big. It's capitalism. I never understood the philosphy of penalizing people for being successful and giving their hard earned money to underprivileged retards. Again, if you don't like it do it yourself.

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The rudeness of someone to think that they deserve a piece of a business that they didn't create, invest in, or take even one iota of risk to start is the most brutally disturbing thing about any of this.

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The new entitlement of America and the number one reason I despise millenials.

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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia

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Originally Posted by cmoney

Why exactly is this bad? He acts like no one else is benefiting from these people getting wealthy. Jesus christ I cant believe a lot of people are actually taking a democratic socialist as a serious Presidential candidate. I like the sort of "survival of the fittest" American experiment we live in that spurs innovation.

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If their employees weren't making slave wages this would be great.
If $20 out of the $157 billion went to their employee's maybe they wouldn't have to put nets around the building to prevent suicide.

Scroll right back up and really get a grasp at how big $157 billion is for 2 years for 14 people.. Do their hard working employees maybe deserve a bigger piece of the pie?

Their foreign employees work in some sweatshop making a dollar or two a day and their US counterparts make min. wage? Sounds fair right? You all know it's totally absurd. I don't expect you guys to come in here and say I'm right but come election day.
[X] Sanders
[ ] Hillary
then in the general
[X] Sanders
[ ] Trump

Anything less would be uncivilized.

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Mark Zuckerberg just made 5 bil in one day last week when Facebook went up 10 percent. You think his employees make minimum wage? Google employees? Microsoft Employees? Berkshire Hathaway employees?

How will eliminating sweat shops overseas help those people? Most wealthy nations (including the USA)had sweat shops on their way up. It was and still is a necessary evil to attempt to pull yourself out of poverty. Take away the sweatshops and you fuck those people even more. If your issue is with how those employees are treated that is the role of their government to put in work standards not the United States. You really think Bernie Sander would have impact on changing work standards in another country? How exactly what that work? The Chinese would tell him to go fuck himself.

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Originally Posted by cmoney

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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia

If their employees weren't making slave wages this would be great.
If $20 out of the $157 billion went to their employee's maybe they wouldn't have to put nets around the building to prevent suicide.

Scroll right back up and really get a grasp at how big $157 billion is for 2 years for 14 people.. Do their hard working employees maybe deserve a bigger piece of the pie?

Their foreign employees work in some sweatshop making a dollar or two a day and their US counterparts make min. wage? Sounds fair right? You all know it's totally absurd. I don't expect you guys to come in here and say I'm right but come election day.
[X] Sanders
[ ] Hillary
then in the general
[X] Sanders
[ ] Trump

Anything less would be uncivilized.

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Mark Zuckerberg just made 5 bil in one day last week when Facebook went up 10 percent. You think his employees make minimum wage? Google employees? Microsoft Employees? Berkshire Hathaway employees?

How will eliminating sweat shops overseas help those people? Most wealthy nations (including the USA)had sweat shops on their way up. It was and still is a necessary evil to attempt to pull yourself out of poverty. Take away the sweatshops and you fuck those people even more. If your issue is with how those employees are treated that is the role of their government to put in work standards not the United States. You really think Bernie Sander would have impact on changing work standards in another country? How exactly what that work? The Chinese would tell him to go fuck himself.

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You change the working standards in another country by simply taxing the products coming to US, if that's all you wanna do. I mean that's how it has been done for about 500 years. Say a company makes a product for US market and in effort to cut costs it moves the production out of US to a country with less regulations and cheaper labor. To make that practice non cost effective you just tariff the fuck out of them. That is if you want to keep jobs in America. Oh and if the company retaliates by selling their product at another market basically nobody cares. Their place will be filled in about 3 seconds. They need the market more than the market needs them.

Also i wouldn't be too worried about evil well fare freeloaders. It's almost impossible to find so many people that are willing to live on well fare instead of working to ever damage the threshold of natural unemployment. There's basically not a single country on earth where living on well fare is so sweet that people do it in masses when there's plenty of work around.

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Why exactly is this bad? He acts like no one else is benefiting from these people getting wealthy. Jesus christ I cant believe a lot of people are actually taking a democratic socialist as a serious Presidential candidate. I like the sort of "survival of the fittest" American experiment we live in that spurs innovation.

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In a world that doesn't exist they created 157bil out of thin air by magically creating more value. In no way did they squeeze that 157bil out of every cunt that's not them. And as we all know 2015 was a take year and 2016 will be a give year when these 14 individuals will decrease their wealth as is customary. It's all going to trickle down. Sure it will.

While this makes great forum fodder, let's cut the bullshit. Bernie just doesn't have it.
Hillary's going to crush Sanders. Trump vs Hillary would be pretty sweet. For once I could just kick up my feet and enjoy the FOX News meltdown.
If Cruz or Rubio win over Trump, that'd be catastrophic. The thought of Sheldon's corrupt henchmen in the White House, words cant even...

XXX There's likely to be a vacancy in the supreme court in the next pres. term. XXX
Trump or Hillary hmmmm...

There will have to be a break in the clouds for me to continue unleashing pwnage itt. You guys can relax for now.

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Originally Posted by cmoney

Mark Zuckerberg just made 5 bil in one day last week when Facebook went up 10 percent. You think his employees make minimum wage? Google employees? Microsoft Employees? Berkshire Hathaway employees?

How will eliminating sweat shops overseas help those people? Most wealthy nations (including the USA)had sweat shops on their way up. It was and still is a necessary evil to attempt to pull yourself out of poverty. Take away the sweatshops and you fuck those people even more. If your issue is with how those employees are treated that is the role of their government to put in work standards not the United States. You really think Bernie Sander would have impact on changing work standards in another country? How exactly what that work? The Chinese would tell him to go fuck himself.

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You change the working standards in another country by simply taxing the products coming to US, if that's all you wanna do. I mean that's how it has been done for about 500 years. Say a company makes a product for US market and in effort to cut costs it moves the production out of US to a country with less regulations and cheaper labor. To make that practice non cost effective you just tariff the fuck out of them. That is if you want to keep jobs in America. Oh and if the company retaliates by selling their product at another market basically nobody cares. Their place will be filled in about 3 seconds. They need the market more than the market needs them.

Also i wouldn't be too worried about evil well fare freeloaders. It's almost impossible to find so many people that are willing to live on well fare instead of working to ever damage the threshold of natural unemployment. There's basically not a single country on earth where living on well fare is so sweet that people do it in masses when there's plenty of work around.

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Why dont the Nordic countries do that then? China is many of these countries largest trade partner outside the EU. These are all countries Bernie wants to model after.

Bernie just does "feel good" speeches that cater to naive college kids working on their kick-ass communications degree who will be 200k in debt when they get out. If you think clearly, it is so obvious a lot of what he says doesn't comport with reality.

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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia

While this makes great forum fodder, let's cut the bullshit. Bernie just doesn't have it.
Hillary's going to crush Sanders. Trump vs Hillary would be pretty sweet. For once I could just kick up my feet and enjoy the FOX News meltdown.
If Cruz or Rubio win over Trump, that'd be catastrophic. The thought of Sheldon's corrupt henchmen in the White House, words cant even...

XXX There's likely to be a vacancy in the supreme court in the next pres. term. XXX
Trump or Hillary hmmmm...

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I think all candidates on both sides are awful. I could actually see Rubio making a late push, but I think you are probably right with the Trump/Hillary prediction.

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Originally Posted by cmoney

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It's so lol that people here actually think Trump or even anyone in this race other than Sanders is going to make lives for the better in the US.

There's many countries that have instituted a lot of the policies and practices that Sanders is discussing, and those countries have higher HDI's than the US or tied.

It's also funny because I know people are going to go "What worked in Denmark and Norway won't work in the US." Actually, yes it would. It worked in Denmark and Norway because IT FUCKING WORKS not because people from Denmark and Norway are some magical mythical beings.

We're not comparing apples to oranges here. We're comparing fucking apples to apples, get over yourselves.

"Wah wah wah I'll be middle class my whole life." Seriously shut the fuck up. You were going to be middle class or worse your whole life anyway. Stop chasing the fucking magic dragon of upper class, it ain't going to fucking happen.

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I think the smaller ethnically homogeneous countries this works for. There is more sense of community and pride in helping out your fellow countrymen. We have too much white trash and other ethnic groups that will simply take advantage of an increased welfare state.

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Those are the most important words to recognize in your statement. The rest that follows is insignificant drivel coming from a man that can't accept when he's wrong about economics.

I'll still unleash pwnage for those that really deserve it. Pooh/4dragons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s-qZsjK8I

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I think the smaller ethnically homogeneous countries this works for. There is more sense of community and pride in helping out your fellow countrymen. We have too much white trash and other ethnic groups that will simply take advantage of an increased welfare state.

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Those are the most important words to recognize in your statement. The rest that follows is insignificant dribble coming from a man that can't accept when he's wrong about economics.

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What is your economic theory as to why the social democratic model would be good for the USA? I am seriously curious ,as if you know a lot about economics, maybe you will make some good points.

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You change the working standards in another country by simply taxing the products coming to US, if that's all you wanna do. I mean that's how it has been done for about 500 years. Say a company makes a product for US market and in effort to cut costs it moves the production out of US to a country with less regulations and cheaper labor. To make that practice non cost effective you just tariff the fuck out of them. That is if you want to keep jobs in America. Oh and if the company retaliates by selling their product at another market basically nobody cares. Their place will be filled in about 3 seconds. They need the market more than the market needs them.

Also i wouldn't be too worried about evil well fare freeloaders. It's almost impossible to find so many people that are willing to live on well fare instead of working to ever damage the threshold of natural unemployment. There's basically not a single country on earth where living on well fare is so sweet that people do it in masses when there's plenty of work around.

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Why dont the Nordic countries do that then? China is many of these countries largest trade partner outside the EU. These are all countries Bernie wants to model after.

Bernie just does "feel good" speeches that cater to naive college kids working on their kick-ass communications degree who will be 200k in debt when they get out. If you think clearly, it is so obvious a lot of what he says doesn't comport with reality.

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They do that with some industries that they like to protect and that is the traditional method how you do it. It was more an answer to you wondering how it's done. Likely more common before EU/ETA in Scandinavia.

And obv there are tons of reasons why do it fairly selectively. Some legit and some based on corruption.

Bernie does seem the least likeliest to fuck people over out of the major candidates.

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Why dont the Nordic countries do that then? China is many of these countries largest trade partner outside the EU. These are all countries Bernie wants to model after.

Bernie just does "feel good" speeches that cater to naive college kids working on their kick-ass communications degree who will be 200k in debt when they get out. If you think clearly, it is so obvious a lot of what he says doesn't comport with reality.

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They do that with some industries that they like to protect and that is the traditional method how you do it. It was more an answer to you wondering how it's done. Likely more common before EU/ETA in Scandinavia.

And obv there are tons of reasons why do it fairly selectively. Some legit and some based on corruption.

Bernie does seem the least likeliest to fuck people over out of the major candidates.

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Completely agree. I think will absolutely try to do everything he is saying.

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Originally Posted by anonamoose

Those are the most important words to recognize in your statement. The rest that follows is insignificant dribble coming from a man that can't accept when he's wrong about economics.

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What is your economic theory as to why the social democratic model would be good for the USA? I am seriously curious ,as if you know a lot about economics, maybe you will make some good points.

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Nothing needs modeled. That's the point. It's already been done and proven in almost every country above us in the HDI.

You're stuck in this belief that economic models in first world countries have to vary because of cultural differences? People in Denmark don't give a fuck about each other any more than you care about the bum on the corner of a New York City street. Are people going to game the system? Yes, they always fucking will, but I'd much rather individuals be able to game the system than major corporations.

So some black dude in Detroit gets an extra $200 bucks a month because he claims to have a gimp leg? Seriously, who fucking cares? Fuck lets say 10 million americans game the system of $200 bucks at some point? That's 2 billion dollars. Whoopdee fucking doo. At least he wasn't out selling subprime mortgages, went into default, then got handed billions of tax payer money in government bailouts and profited from both ends. You're sitting here trying to yell at minorities and "white trash" gaming the system out of a couple extra bucks yet you're ok with just letting companies steal billions in tax payer dollars, because it might "trickle down" eventually?

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What is your economic theory as to why the social democratic model would be good for the USA? I am seriously curious ,as if you know a lot about economics, maybe you will make some good points.

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Whoopdee fucking doo. At least he wasn't out selling subprime mortgages, went into default, then got handed billions of tax payer money in government bailouts and profited from both ends.

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So again a classic case of a problem that the left causes that the right gets blamed for ... somehow?

You don't get to have legislation that FORCES banks to take on home loans for derelicts that have no way or no intention of paying for the loan they were handed and then blame it on money guys that were protecting their... money.

It's the cause of bleeding hearts that gave retards loans in the first place, not the guy covering the eventual vig on the bad bet he was forced to take.

As an aside, don't think i'm siding with the banks here, I thought they should have been allowed to crater AND all the homeowners should have been given the deeds to their houses if their debt was bailed out with a taxpayer funded bailout.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commun...investment_Act
http://russp.us/subprime.htm

Worth a re watch. So many small details he nailed perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
21.7 trillion in debt Syria/ ISIS /Iran/ North Korea/

Cut social security and healthcare! smh

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anonamoose: Trickle down government already works better than trickle down economy. So yeah, get your facts straight.

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Holy fucking shit are you stupid. Where does the money come from that government pisses away? You cannot piss away money if a private, FREE citizen didn't create it. Government creates problems and then says 'WE HAVE THE SOLUTION', and creates another problem.

Please enter in the space below, how much taxation is enough and who gets taxed, I could use the laugh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmji36q8E4o

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Originally Posted by Pooh

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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia

If their employees weren't making slave wages this would be great.
If $20 out of the $157 billion went to their employee's maybe they wouldn't have to put nets around the building to prevent suicide.

Scroll right back up and really get a grasp at how big $157 billion is for 2 years for 14 people.. Do their hard working employees maybe deserve a bigger piece of the pie?

Their foreign employees work in some sweatshop making a dollar or two a day and their US counterparts make min. wage? Sounds fair right? You all know it's totally absurd. I don't expect you guys to come in here and say I'm right but come election day.
[X] Sanders
[ ] Hillary
then in the general
[X] Sanders
[ ] Trump

Anything less would be uncivilized.

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Fuck no they don't.

I always had the mentality of if you don't like what you are making then quit and go be your own boss and see how the real world works. 99% will be back working for that same wage and like it the other 1% will make it big. It's capitalism. I never understood the philosphy of penalizing people for being successful and giving their hard earned money to underprivileged retards. Again, if you don't like it do it yourself.

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To be fair most people who are filthy rich have the money passed down to them. It is no easy task to become wealthy starting from scratch.

4 dragons and pooh

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What is your economic theory as to why the social democratic model would be good for the USA? I am seriously curious ,as if you know a lot about economics, maybe you will make some good points.

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Nothing needs modeled. That's the point. It's already been done and proven in almost every country above us in the HDI.

You're stuck in this belief that economic models in first world countries have to vary because of cultural differences? People in Denmark don't give a fuck about each other any more than you care about the bum on the corner of a New York City street. Are people going to game the system? Yes, they always fucking will, but I'd much rather individuals be able to game the system than major corporations.

So some black dude in Detroit gets an extra $200 bucks a month because he claims to have a gimp leg? Seriously, who fucking cares? Fuck lets say 10 million americans game the system of $200 bucks at some point? That's 2 billion dollars. Whoopdee fucking doo. At least he wasn't out selling subprime mortgages, went into default, then got handed billions of tax payer money in government bailouts and profited from both ends. You're sitting here trying to yell at minorities and "white trash" gaming the system out of a couple extra bucks yet you're ok with just letting companies steal billions in tax payer dollars, because it might "trickle down" eventually?

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Here are the top 14 for 2015. Really worth the "revolution" to try to gain a few points? Sweden and Canada are below us. Why do we feel the need to constantly need to "transform" shit. Most people have it pretty good here compared to the rest of the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index


1 Steady Norway 0.944 Increase 0.002
2 Steady Australia 0.935 Increase 0.002
3 Steady Switzerland 0.930 Increase 0.002
4 Steady Denmark 0.923 Steady
5 Steady Netherlands 0.922 Increase 0.002
6 Steady Germany 0.916 Increase 0.001
6 Increase (2) Ireland 0.916 Increase 0.004
8 Decrease (1) United States 0.915 Increase 0.002
9 Decrease (1) Canada 0.913 Increase 0.001
9 Increase (1) New Zealand 0.913 Increase 0.002
11 Steady Singapore 0.912 Increase 0.003
12 Steady Hong Kong 0.910 Increase 0.002
13 Steady Liechtenstein 0.908 Increase 0.001
14 Steady Sweden 0.907 Increase 0.002