This isn't going to end well...

Why would you think the President is going to use drone strikes on American civilians on American soil? That really makes sense to you, 4Dragons? (Serious question...)

It is an empty building. They'll just wait them out. Maybe do a Waco like siege at some point with an armored personal carrier, but these guys aren't child molesters...

THose saying the guys didn't have a good attorney. No they got a really good deal, but it just didn't abide by the mandatory minimums. Now when the rightwing has it happen to their own they all at once scream about it being unfair and raw deals. ha!

Stand for nothing, fall for everything.

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Why would you think the President is going to use drone strikes on American civilians on American soil? That really makes sense to you, 4Dragons? (Serious question...)

It is an empty building. They'll just wait them out. Maybe do a Waco like siege at some point with an armored personal carrier, but these guys aren't child molesters...

THose saying the guys didn't have a good attorney. No they got a really good deal, but it just didn't abide by the mandatory minimums. Now when the rightwing has it happen to their own they all at once scream about it being unfair and raw deals. ha!

Stand for nothing, fall for everything.

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Bill Clinton burned 12 children alive in order to 'save' them in Waco. There are no children involved here. Thing is I don't agree with the 'why' of what these guys are even doing. Taking over a building so you don't go back to jail seems to me it's the equivalent of saying 'i'm not going to jail because i'm so and so'. Guy comes off as some arrogant idiot with a martyr complex. Your bending the argument to overreach my position is no surprise however (1+1=3). The entire comment only centered around Obama responding to crisis, which has a one dimensional narrative of taking credit for anything good that happens and blame literally even a youtube video to not take the blame for letting your own friends die. It also doesn't surprise me that you have your head up your ass about Waco too. Most of the tv news rubes tuned out when the fire died down.

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Im not going to comment on why they are doing what they are doing or the whos right and whos wrong of the whole deal mainly because I don't know enough about the situation to make a real comment on it. Don't think for a second I am defending why these guys are stirring the pot - i don't know anything about the "why" to make an educated response to it.



I will say this though, i find it ironic for lack of a better word, that these guys are all of the sudden "terrorists" for what they are doing. People are calling for the feds to just storm it and kill them all. How ridiculous.
They haven't killed anyone
They haven't acted violently...
they haven't made violent threats...
they haven't incited riots...
but yet they are "terrorists"

Why are they terrorists? Because they are carrying their guns? Im willing to bet that every weapon carried is legal, and I'm willing to bet overall you will find a practically non-existent real criminal record in the group. Someone sees some guns and all of the sudden "OMG OMG! KILL EM KILL EM!". The 2nd amendment and its privileges seems to get tossed around alot these days and at times the line is blurred, but believe it or not and whether you agree with it or not, them being able to carry in this fashion and form is literally at the heart of what the 2nd amendment was designed for - fighting an oppressive government. You don't need to take my word for it, look it up. Now once again, make no mistake here, I am not defending these guys; they say they are fighting tyranny. Well, whether the government really has been oppressive I am not arguing for or against, because I really don't know enough about the situation.



Let's take a few other happenings that have been going on the last few years though I.E. :

the riots - seems to me I never heard one mention of the word "domestic terrorists", and if anyone said it, it was rare and not

mainstream. They created more havoc, destruction, death, and heartache than ever. All anyone would say is
"ohh, they are fed up and voicing themselves"
"give them a safe space to cause their destruction"
"they are fighting for a cause'

you get the idea...

The San Bernardino shooting - it seems like it took quite a long time for the President to come out and actually call it an act of terrorism.




Oh, how about this guy as another example:



Councilman Kenneth Stokes Encourages Residents To Throw Rocks At Police

Mississippi Councilman Kenneth Stokes is fed up with police chasing after small-time crooks and has asked residents in Jackson, Mississippi, to throw things at officers in pursuit.“What I suggest is we get the black leadership together and as these jurisdictions come into Jackson, we throw rocks and bricks and bottles at them,” Stokes told WLBT-3 News on Thursday.
According to CNN, Gov. Phil Bryant and a county sheriff are threatening to have prosecutors investigate Stokes over the suggestion. “Let’s get rocks; let’s get bricks, and let’s get bottles,” Stokes told WJTV. “And we’ll start throwing them, and then they won’t come in here anymore.”

Councilman Kenneth Stokes is notorious for speaking his mind and stirring controversy and has repeated the suggestion to several other local news outlets. In 2014, when Stokes was the Hinds County Supervisor, he claimed at a public meeting that he believed former Jackson Mayor Chokwe Lumumba “was murdered” – despite the fact that the county coroner concluded the ailing mayor had died of natural causes, reports NBC News.“My position is this: When you have these police officers coming from other jurisdictions and they will not respect human life, then I said we should use rocks, bricks or bottles to try to get the message over: stop endangering our children,” Stokes told Jackson’s the Clarion-Ledger newspaper on Friday.“Now I have supported police officers in police departments all over this state from when I was a (Hinds County) supervisor when we voted for new cars and equipment for police officers. I opened and closed the last council meeting in honor of an officer who had died. I have named streets after officers in this city,” Stokes continued.Several people have fired back at Stokes’ remarks via social media including law enforcement officers, the governor, and the attorney general.

According to a recent Facebook post, the Calhoun County Sheriff’s Department – located approximately 140 miles from Jackson – is refusing to do business with any business located within the city limits of Jackson until Stokes is no longer on the city council.
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Now why isn't this councilman being labeled a terrorist? Because he's black, because it might incite another riot? I don't know, someone tell me...
What about the other public figures who have encouraged people to go out and kill cops?

Meanwhile, these guys (however misguided they may be) haven't thrown even so much as a rock or bottle, and they are all of the sudden "terrorists" and "should be dealt with swiftly and harshly"


The hypocrisy is thick


I really do hope the government doesn't do anything stupid and the situation somehow deescalates. As for what the government can do? I really don't know, im not an expert on that...and neither is the government though. I doubt it would happen but I just hope they don't storm the place and have it turn into a Ruby Ridge or Waco, because if that happens, shit could get a whole lot worse.

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Why would you think the President is going to use drone strikes on American civilians on American soil? That really makes sense to you, 4Dragons? (Serious question...)

It is an empty building. They'll just wait them out. Maybe do a Waco like siege at some point with an armored personal carrier, but these guys aren't child molesters...

THose saying the guys didn't have a good attorney. No they got a really good deal, but it just didn't abide by the mandatory minimums. Now when the rightwing has it happen to their own they all at once scream about it being unfair and raw deals. ha!

Stand for nothing, fall for everything.

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Bill Clinton burned 12 children alive in order to 'save' them in Waco. There are no children involved here. Thing is I don't agree with the 'why' of what these guys are even doing. Taking over a building so you don't go back to jail seems to me it's the equivalent of saying 'i'm not going to jail because i'm so and so'. Guy comes off as some arrogant idiot with a martyr complex. Your bending the argument to overreach my position is no surprise however (1+1=3). The entire comment only centered around Obama responding to crisis, which has a one dimensional narrative of taking credit for anything good that happens and blame literally even a youtube video to not take the blame for letting your own friends die. It also doesn't surprise me that you have your head up your ass about Waco too. Most of the tv news rubes tuned out when the fire died down.

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It will admit to not remembering the number of people who died in Waco. Who set those fires? I don't know. Perhaps the ATF did, but it sure was not Bill Clinton. This is more nonsensical bullshit from you. While there are not kids involved, there also is not a bunch of guys who opened fire and killed federal agents like Waco. Waco is similar because it is 1) a largish group of people 2) involved fed. The commonality stops there. This idea that Obama cares *that* much personally that he'd order a drone strike etc is just nuts. It is also off the top retarded because even if you ASSUME that Obama would like to drone strike, this thought that he would want to burn down his own legacy with such stupidity is baffling.

I'm not bending any argument. You weren't even making an argument. You were claiming that Obama will drone strike them or blame it on a video.

1+1=3. Yea, tell you yourself that shit so you feel a bit brighter. I'm sure you go on about the mainstream media and listen to stupid fuck media without a lick of true critical thought in your head.

"Tv news rubes". I haven't had cable in over 15 years. LMAO. I read my news and not from mentally challenged hack crazy pandering blogs.

On a side note, I knew a guy whose brother worked with Vernon Howell. Said Vernon would write these crazy religous things on the walls of the houses they were building before the walls were painted.

Did the BATF burn the place down? I don't know, but I do know that EVERY out of the ordinary occurance has conspiracy theorists. Sometimes they WILL be right.. in this case? I really don't have an opinion.

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Now why isn't this councilman being labeled a terrorist? Because he's black, because it might incite another riot? I don't know, someone tell me...
What about the other public figures who have encouraged people to go out and kill cops?

Meanwhile, these guys (however misguided they may be) haven't thrown even so much as a rock or bottle, and they are all of the sudden "terrorists" and "should be dealt with swiftly and harshly"


The hypocrisy is thick


I really do hope the government doesn't do anything stupid and the situation somehow deescalates. As for what the government can do? I really don't know, im not an expert on that...and neither is the government though. I doubt it would happen but I just hope they don't storm the place and have it turn into a Ruby Ridge or Waco, because if that happens, shit could get a whole lot worse.

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I do like your critical thought about the use of the word terrorism. I am not sure if anyone who just uses words should be labeled a terrorist. If it makes you feel better, leaders from all around the world use the word terrorist to control people. The politics of fear. It is a biiiiig thing for Republicans. Putin does it too, etc.

Really you only need to worry about who your government and other governments call terrorists. Otherwise it is just back and forth politicized nonsense.

If you want to label big mouthed black guy a terrorist, feel free.

You're butthurt because one black guy making a ruckus off somewhere isn't labeled a terrorist. <facepalm>


Are you one of those guys who gets his thoughts from blogs that like to rant about the 'mainstream media'?

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It will admit to not remembering the number of people who died in Waco. Who set those fires? I don't know. Perhaps the ATF did, but it sure was not Bill Clinton.

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If I pay you to kill someone, who goes to jail? Stupid fucking hippie, go take a bath.

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