Youtube Slot Community and SlotLady

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Canuckian, thanks for registering here.

I've got a few questions for you, out of curiosity. You don't have to answer them, but I think the people here would be interested:


1) What did you enjoy originally about SlotLady's channel? I'm talking about the pre-Victor days.

2) Did you ever donate to SlotLady during her SuperChats or any other time?

3) Prior to Victor's emergence and EZ Life subsequently exposing him as her boyfriend/husband, were you under the impression that Sarah was single?

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Questions are always fun :)

1) I liked the low stakes she played, it was very relatable to my play. She wasn't a high roller, just putting in $300ish and making $3-5 spins. I also really enjoyed her "professionalism" for want of a better word. She played her game, got frustrated ("So sour! Geez Louise!) but wasn't ever a diva about it. And she always ended her videos on a good note "That was fun/that was a great win/that didn't work", without whining or complaining (lookinatchu Victor!).

1b) I should also point out that her earlier videos weren't really about her, per se. Intro, camera on the machine, tally up wins/losses, outro. I could never get into Lady Luck HQ because she keeps cutting to herself, fist-bumping her husband, and making the content about her, and not about letting us play the game with her. I wasn't too fond of when Sarah put up the secondary reaction camera like Brian Christopher (Yuck! Never enjoyed his content!) because she started making it more and more about interacting with her audience and less about the game. Not for me.

2) Nope. I don't do Patreon campaigns as a rule, but I made an exception for Sarah because I liked her content. But donating money while she's gambling? Nah, I'd rather donate that money to MY gambling fund :D

3) I didn't know and frankly didn't care about her relationship status. I was never a simp or felt I had a shot with her or even watched her solely because she's an attractive woman. I absolutely acknowledge her attractiveness (I have four eyes and at least one of them works!) but it was never part of my reasoning for watching her content.

3b) As another rule, I don't do OnlyFans subscriptions. Why pay money when soooo much porn is out there for free-ish? Hell, just go to Reddit and watch all the clips and pics put out by OF models as advertising! I only signed up for hers because I was shown her leaked nudes before learning that they weren't released with her consent. (Yes, I know the theories about it being a fake leak, I also have those thoughts now) So at that point I figured the only honourable thing to do is sign up for her OF page so I can say that yes, I've seen her nudes WITH her consent.

I have since unsubscribed from her OF page due to insane pricing and her male costar being, well... Vic �� I do so loathe that man, and none of the reasons being that he's banging Sarah* He's a petulant, whiny, obnoxious man-child who blames everyone and everything but himself for losing HOUSE-ADVANTAGE GAMES with sub-optimal play. Everything I enjoyed about Slotlady's videos, All Casino Action does the opposite thereof.


(* NGL, part of me is insanely jealous of Vic. Why the fuck is he able to live his best life while I have to scrape and slog away just to survive the month? Shit ain't fair, yo!)

One might argue people paying for a Patreon and Only Fans is part of the reason Vic is “living his best life” while you “scrape and slog away just to survive the month”.

Not intended as an insult toward you, but a comment in general of how these people survive and thrive. Just takes enough people handing them their cash, adds up quickly.

As you said to both, you generally don’t do them as a rule yet in this case you did. Just like Chrissy Mitchell, some throw away their better judgment and this is what they count on.

Canuckian, as someone who paid for their onlyfans, are you able to venture a guess at how many paying subscribers they have on that platform? How many viewers were present during their livestreams? And what do they actually do on their livestreams? Do they deliver live xxx-rated content or are they as boring on onlyfans as they are during their youtube lives?

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Originally Posted by The Boz

One might argue people paying for a Patreon and Only Fans is part of the reason Vic is “living his best life” while you “scrape and slog away just to survive the month”.

Not intended as an insult toward you, but a comment in general of how these people survive and thrive. Just takes enough people handing them their cash, adds up quickly.

As you said to both, you generally don’t do them as a rule yet in this case you did. Just like Chrissy Mitchell, some throw away their better judgment and this is what they count on.

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Oh, I fully understand that.

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Originally Posted by bythecshour

Canuckian, as someone who paid for their onlyfans, are you able to venture a guess at how many paying subscribers they have on that platform? How many viewers were present during their livestreams? And what do they actually do on their livestreams? Do they deliver live xxx-rated content or are they as boring on onlyfans as they are during their youtube lives?

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I think 50ish viewers, I'd say? The two livestreams that I saw were just of Sarah, sitting and chatting with her audience. It was mostly the usual spicy questions you can imagine (She's kissed another girl, that's it; hasn't done anal; always had an exhibitionist streak, etc.) I seem to recall that they'd set the tips goal to get Sarah to take her shirt off at a high number (I wanna say $500, but don't quote me on that). The second livestream that was reduced to a more modest $200.

The creepiest part for me was Vic moderating the chat, cheering on and pimping out Sarah. "Come on, guys! Only $x00 more dollars and we get to see TITS!" Between that and the titles of their video posts, it's obvious to me that while Sarah is a willing participant, Vic is the driving force behind this OF experience. And I quote from their last video title (which I haven't seen): "Sarah makes some delightful noises as Vic pounds her pussy balls deep without mercy! Her pretty face is then covered in jizz! Oh Yeah!!"

Call me crazy, but that doesn't sound like a woman's writing.

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Originally Posted by Canuckian

Oh, I fully understand that.

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Originally Posted by bythecshour

Canuckian, as someone who paid for their onlyfans, are you able to venture a guess at how many paying subscribers they have on that platform? How many viewers were present during their livestreams? And what do they actually do on their livestreams? Do they deliver live xxx-rated content or are they as boring on onlyfans as they are during their youtube lives?

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I think 50ish viewers, I'd say? The two livestreams that I saw were just of Sarah, sitting and chatting with her audience. It was mostly the usual spicy questions you can imagine (She's kissed another girl, that's it; hasn't done anal; always had an exhibitionist streak, etc.) I seem to recall that they'd set the tips goal to get Sarah to take her shirt off at a high number (I wanna say $500, but don't quote me on that). The second livestream that was reduced to a more modest $200.

The creepiest part for me was Vic moderating the chat, cheering on and pimping out Sarah. "Come on, guys! Only $x00 more dollars and we get to see TITS!" Between that and the titles of their video posts, it's obvious to me that while Sarah is a willing participant, Vic is the driving force behind this OF experience. And I quote from their last video title (which I haven't seen): "Sarah makes some delightful noises as Vic pounds her pussy balls deep without mercy! Her pretty face is then covered in jizz! Oh Yeah!!"

Call me crazy, but that doesn't sound like a woman's writing.

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Yeah that's always been my impression -- that Vic has been the driving force behind everything. This includes the channel, the Onlyfans, the gambling... everything.

Obviously that description was written by Victor. And not written well.

I also doubt Sarah has an actual exhibitionist streak. That's probably just what she says in order to cover up that Vic pressured her to do it. Besides, most girls I've known who enjoyed exhibitionism wanted to do it anonymously. They'd have fantasies like having sex on a hotel balcony with strangers watching from outside, or having sex on webcam while hiding their face. It's not nearly as common to want to do this under their real identity, unless it's for money.

The whole thing is kinda sad. Vic is clearly a gambling addict, and this is the way for him to feed the addiction. Unlike someone like Vegas Matt, who gambles but has a clear purpose behind everything, Vic just seems to erratically gamble on the channel and hopes the revenue from it (plus the Onlyfans) will cover it.

Sarah probably has her issues, but I have to imagine she would have been much happier in life if Victor simply worked a regular job and stayed away from gambling.

So much to say about these pornogrifters, but I’ll keep it short. I think the fact that people are paying through the nose for hardcore pornography of these two and they still are having live chats where Victor is soliciting donations to see Slot Lady’s tits sums up how shameless and clueless these two truly are. Sorry you two-bit pimp Victor, that ship sailed about 8 cream pies ago.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Sarah probably has her issues, but I have to imagine she would have been much happier in life if Victor simply worked a regular job and stayed away from gambling.

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That's the other major turn-off for me. Very, very rarely did Sarah ever smile, or even seem to be enjoying herself doing this. Personally, I vote for Victor to be ejected from the ship, Among Us style.

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I think the fact that people are paying through the nose for hardcore pornography of these two and they still are having live chats where Victor is soliciting donations to see Slot Lady’s tits sums up how shameless and clueless these two truly are. Sorry you two-bit pimp Victor, that ship sailed about 8 cream pies ago.

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Yep. They're very much relying on preexisting Slotlady fans for their content, especially at their prices. I don't see random newbies paying that much when there's more established, and quite frankly kinkier, women on OF. All I can hope is that Sarah sets her boundaries and sticks with them, regardless of whatever pressure Vic puts on her to produce content.

Remember when Sarah was able to make a shit ton gambling a fraction what other channels had to simply because she was a young female? Well she said she simply couldn’t put up with all the “creeps” that came with all that easy money. So now she takes loads in the face and probably makes less money and has more creeps to deal with. All she had to do was put $500 bucks in a slot and get thousands of views.

:baddecision

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

Remember when Sarah was able to make a shit ton gambling a fraction what other channels had to simply because she was a young female? Well she said she simply couldn’t put up with all the “creeps” that came with all that easy money. So now she takes loads in the face and probably makes less money and has more creeps to deal with. All she had to do was put $500 bucks in a slot and get thousands of views.

:baddecision

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And funny enough, if she just incorporated showing a little skin in those videos, she could have grown the channel even bigger, without needing to take her clothes completely off, or doing anything sexual on cam.

Sarah went from 0 to 60 in that respect, and that wasn't the best decision, for sure.

yeah you guys are right.... she could put in only 500 bucks in the slot machine and probably make 1500 from the video.... was a very +EV situation...

problem was, who actually knows how much Victor was donking off behind the scenes even back then....

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Originally Posted by 1dollarboxcar

yeah you guys are right.... she could put in only 500 bucks in the slot machine and probably make 1500 from the video.... was a very +EV situation...

problem was, who actually knows how much Victor was donking off behind the scenes even back then....

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I'm sure Victor was chunking off $ the entire way.

Unfortunately the channel is just an enabling vehicle for him to gamble, rather than a serious YouTube business where the gambling is just a necessary loss to take in order to generate substantially more money.

The people in this thread kind of get it, but also kind of don't.

There's a lot of beating around the bush here in strange defense of Sarah's supposed "character". Sarah is and always has been white trash, selling nudes and taking loads in the face for money. She's never had a normal job. How do you think she met Victor? There's a reason these two "personalities" are with each other in a long-standing relationship and not with anyone else.

And it was only a matter of time before she got sick of putting in the work to be the face of the channel. No doubt Victor was buzzing in the background (both as Jenny and as himself).

The reason their channel went belly up is because Sarah got lazy and full of herself and probably told Victor to shut up and do it himself, which is an obvious problem given his gambling addiction and speaks to her "character".

It took them both to tank the channel. They're reaping what they've sown.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

Remember when Sarah was able to make a shit ton gambling a fraction what other channels had to simply because she was a young female? Well she said she simply couldn’t put up with all the “creeps” that came with all that easy money. So now she takes loads in the face and probably makes less money and has more creeps to deal with. All she had to do was put $500 bucks in a slot and get thousands of views.

:baddecision

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And funny enough, if she just incorporated showing a little skin in those videos, she could have grown the channel even bigger, without needing to take her clothes completely off, or doing anything sexual on cam.

Sarah went from 0 to 60 in that respect, and that wasn't the best decision, for sure.

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Hey Gringo, since now she is doing porn, how about changing the Thread Title to "Youtube Slot Community and SlutLady" It would be more accurate.

https://twitter.com/LasVegasLocally/...20392122540359

Figured I drop this in case nobody saw it. They literally LOSE every SINGLE hand in 5 minutes. Every pocket pair gets beaten and every 4x Hand naturally gets crushed with laughable hands like 6-7 off or 8-3 off, hahahaha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCnVI9dHy0

Vic tags out in disgust and Sara does no better! Combined they lost $1600 in 6 minutes folks!??!?

I'm guessing that $50 a month is gonna get bumped up with New Year's around the corner!

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Originally Posted by BedWetterBettor

Figured I drop this in case nobody saw it. They literally LOSE every SINGLE hand in 5 minutes. Every pocket pair gets beaten and every 4x Hand naturally gets crushed with laughable hands like 6-7 off or 8-3 off, hahahaha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCnVI9dHy0

Vic tags out in disgust and Sara does no better! Combined they lost $1600 in 6 minutes folks!??!?

I'm guessing that $50 a month is gonna get bumped up with New Year's around the corner!

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Part of the reason I stopped playing UTH. It's fun and winning on the bonuses are nice, but I get so frustrated at the suckiest of suckouts. I usually only play in Vegas and in both of my last trips I went 4X on AA and KK and lost to a stupid two pair each time. This was on Strip properties with high minimums.

There are reasons I now gravitate to slots :D

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Sarah went from 0 to 60 in that respect, and that wasn't the best decision, for sure.

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Ain't that the truth? Like, it's one thing to have nudes leaked by someone, but to embrace the hardcore pornography thing is such a whiplash. And Sarah had to know going into this that SHE would be the face of the channel, that it was her who was being pimped out and displayed, and Vic would just be a necessary evil to make the content. And like it or not, that she would bear the brunt of the still-patriarchal response to women in porn.

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Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria;1108632[B

SlutLady[/B]" It would be more accurate.

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Case in point.

There is a new channel called HoneySlots. Good looking girl playing low limit slots and she already has 10k subscribers after a few months.

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Originally Posted by Small_Banana

There is a new channel called HoneySlots. Good looking girl playing low limit slots and she already has 10k subscribers after a few months.

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oh WOW what a looker !!! this girl is gonna do very well !! great personality , great fun, great looks, look what she says at the very beginning of this video... LOL ... and in this particular video she said she only lost $22 dollars.... talk about +EV with the YT revenue ( if she isn't donking off a bunch more off camera ) .... maybe we should start a thread about her... :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBRKMfe66I4

We will start seeing a lot more of this. There's a real market for hot young chicks to play slots, even at low limits, as there will always be an audience of pervy dudes who just enjoy looking at them.

However, girls like that one above just aren't my thing. Too young/immature. Can't relate. I'm probably older than her dad.

But that's just my personal opinion. I could easily see that channel blowing up.

Much like BCS and later Slotlady videos, I really don't like the selfie cam. Yeah, she's stupidly hot and showing lots of skin, but I don't like how she makes the video about herself and not the game.

Hands down the most epic slot video on YouTube.
I'm not sure exactly what the deal with this guy is, but it seems he has a rich buddy that lets him film his play.
Watch to the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3bG...D#bottom-sheet

That's just... ugh. Dayum, and to think that I get physically ill when I make a $10 spin 🤢 Still, it's good to imagine what a hit like that would be like.

Much like MG Slots, I envy the play but I didn't enjoy the video as much.

And so it begins....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHRB9N7yz0A&t=1310s

I do remember either in a previous video or live stream they mentioned never wanting to "sellout" but here we are.

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Originally Posted by EZ Life Slot Jackpots

And so it begins....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHRB9N7yz0A&t=1310s

I do remember either in a previous video or live stream they mentioned never wanting to "sellout" but here we are.

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It is a sad day. Regardless of his affiliate marketing background, I still gave Matt a chance. I should have known this would eventually happen. Believe it or not, I saw this coming in the last 2 weeks. He made some videos with creator "Stevewilldoit" who probably earns more in affiliate payments/gambling endorsements than anyone on planet earth. Steve has been pulling 7 figures per month in affiliate gambling income for some time. I knew there was no way that Steve and Matt collaborated on a video and Matt wouldn't be turned onto this "scam". Stevewilldoit actually turned on and vouched for rapper six6nine9 and they fronted him an insane amount of money (I believe it was a $2 Million deal), which steve had to pay back. It Basically they secured these payments to Steve's future income, if 69 didn't hold his end of the deal. It is even possible they offered Vegas Matt a similar deal with Steve also getting a piece of the pie on Matt's affiliate signups. Vegas Matt could easily negotiate a deal like this on his own, but working as a "sub affiliate" can have big advantages. However he is doing it, he sold out. Steve had such a massive following, when he was banned from YouTube, Rumble (YT's competition) gave him an exclusive deal to upload videos on their site.

My guess is Vegas Matt most likely got this same type of deal (Easily several hundred grand upfront - probably more).

As most here know, the smaller and midsize affiliates get a percentage of losses. From my understanding most of the really large creators get a flat monthly payment in exchange for a particular number of live gambling sessions while promoting the gambling site. All while playing with "fake" money of course. My guess is that this is primarily done to get around YouTube's "No affiliate link" rule.

As of now there are 3,100 comments on this video, and virtually every one of them is negative.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. If he got "upfront" money, it may be difficult for him to get out of a contract.

While I understand the fans' disappointment in Vegas Matt, some of the comments on YouTube are unfair and/or delusional.

Some are claiming that online gambling is destructive and Matt is promoting that. Give me a fucking break. It's a gambling channel. Brick and mortal casinos are just as destructive as online ones.

Some are claiming that Matt was doing this channel just for the fans and the love of gambling. That's only partially true. It was also a business, and Matt himself admitted that when he came onto PFA Radio. If you didn't think Matt was dedicating all this time to the channel partially for monetary reasons, you're fooling yourself. Two things can be true at once. You can show authentic slots play, and you can be operating the channel as a business in various ways.

Now, there are some valid points raised in the comments:

1) Online slots are boring to watch. Agree. Seeing slots in the casino environment is MUCH more fun for the viewer than online slots. I agree that people will lose interest quickly if Matt makes this mostly about online slots.

2) FanDuel slots are only available in 4 states, so most viewers can't even go try this themselves, which takes away from what little allure there is to showing online slots.

3) Due to all of the videos where the person is playing with fake affiliate/promotional money and passing it off as real, these type of online play videos will always draw skeptics, even if Matt is using 100% his own money.


I do think Matt has to proceed carefully with this sponsorship, as he definitely doesn't want to ruin what he's built up.

I should say something else, too.

I have been to a few recording sessions of Vegas Matt's videos. In two of them, I watched him get absolutely stomped on at the high limit slots. (I wasn't present for the $130k loss, though.)

Even with the channel revenue and other income related to the broadcast, there's still a lot of variance to the whole thing. So, simply put, Matt's not just effortlessly printing reliable money the same way other popular YouTube channels are.

So I can totally understand the alllure to take on a lucrative sponsor like FanDuel, where he will see more steady revenue.

The problem, of course, is that it pisses off a lot of the viewers, especially ones there to see normal live casino slot play. Hopefully Matt will keep that FanDuel content to a minimum.

i've met matt a couple of times and seen him play. he's an affable guy. comes across as genuine. people like that. i agree, they also like him being in a brick and motor casino as he is playing games they are familiar with. for most, online slots will turn viewers off. i literally watched him spin that online slot for less than a minute before i moved on, whereas when he is playing pinball, top dollar, regal riches, lucky dragon, etc. that i am familiar with, i will usually watch all the way through.

overall i get the desire to add income to his business, but he was imo doing really well b/n the write offs, comps, and yt revenue and now t-shirts, etc. that it was a bad trade off. tbd.

I did want to wait to hear what Matt had to say today figuring he would address the overwhelming amount of negative reaction. My thoughts yesterday were that this wasn’t just some scummy affiliate deal. That Matt figured this was the biggest regulated site and that it was the way to go.

I also figured he got millions of dollars. He is an “ambassador” not an affiliate. The difference being that he, to my knowledge, is getting paid a salary to promote the site instead of getting a piece of signups like the traditional affiliate model. That is acknowledged in today’s rant. Starts around 24:00.

I also thought in my head he probably was given an offer he simply couldn’t refuse. So for me there are some major differences between what he is doing and say what his buddy Brettski is doing (making piles from getting viewers to sign up on these shady poker apps). Fanduel is so normalized in today’s society that I don’t see a problem with him making the deal.

However, he does not get to control how his audience reacts to it. This rant at 24:00 is so bad in basically every single way. He should have held off if he was still this upset. Yes, I’m sure there were trolls who just piled on, but most of the negative reaction was genuine. In his rant he simply dismisses all these people. It’s actually pretty alarming.

He also talks about how hard himself and EJ work on these videos. Matt, no one cares how hard you or your son work on making gambling videos. Most people would kill to be in your position. Unfortunately Matt comes off super entitled here and basically says “of course he was doing this all along for a huge payout at the end”. (Yikes)

I was fine with everything for the most part. Then he did this. Truly an unforced error and he should walk it back quickly. This is where he fucked up…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwYe4mC1Br8

I get this is his genuine visceral reaction. Look, most people starting a YouTube channel have dreams that don’t even come close to what Matt has accomplished. But it’s just an unwritten rule that you don’t admit that it was partly about the big payout all along. You say you made the videos for the fans and because of them you now are able to make all this money. It’s just the way he comes off here.

No one can say Matt isn’t a likable guy. I congratulate him for his success. Like I stated above, I don’t have a problem with the Fanduel deal. I get it. But man why go and say this stuff? This to me is far far worse than making the deal itself. There are viewers who were legitimately surprised & disappointed he made this deal. At least tell those people you get it. I myself am neither suprised or disappointed (Only an occasional viewer at best).

One final thought I had was when he basically is stating “Do you know all the money I turned down to keep my integrity”? But Matt shouldn’t be upset about turning all this stuff down. It is partly because he doesn’t have dozens of shady deals that he was able to make this huge one with Fanduel.

Now, I don’t know if all those deals would have amassed him more money or less money than the Fanduel deal. But I’m thinking he probably made the right choice turning those deals down. If he looks at it that way, he probably would think differently about it. He did say “millions” of dollars from Fanduel. So it’s looking like it worked out pretty fucking well. This will pass but he should walk back this rant imho.

The internet is undefeated. I don’t think he wants to tell the viewers legitimately disappointed to go kick rocks. Wonder if he will address this tommorow or leave it be. My guess is he will be convinced to just leave it alone.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Some are claiming that online gambling is destructive and Matt is promoting that. Give me a fucking break. It's a gambling channel. Brick and mortal casinos are just as destructive as online ones.

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Druff, I hardly ever disagree with you to this extent but on this point I do. I understand brick & mortar casinos are engineered to perfection to displace people from their money. But there are perks, limitations to access to funds and the fact that you are actually having a real life experience in a brick & mortar casino.

I believe the proliferation of legal online casinos will take a toll on society as time goes on more than brick & mortar could ever do. I can’t tell you how many people I know that never would have bet sports with a bookie because it’s “illegal” that now torch coin on the regular. Making it “legal” normalizes it and grows the amount of people willing to take part in it exponentially.

To me real casinos are like cocaine and online casinos are like crack. Cocaine can be a nice experience for a while. Celebrities do it and I hear (not by my own experience of course) having good coke on you can even get you laid. Crack just gets you high and you end up in some vacant crack den squatting and hoping not to get stabbed

But the Titanic is way out in the middle of the Ocean by now. It’s going to hit the iceberg whether Vegas Matt is a Fanduel ambassador or not. So at this point him taking this deal is just spitting into the wind. I have no problem with it. But today’s rant…no bueno.

My bad…there is an affiliate link right in the video description. He said “millions” and “life-changing” when talking about his deal. My assumption would be he has some kind of base guarantee but gets extra for the signups. I will say it’s weird seeing an affiliate link in the description of a YouTube video. But it’s allowed with Fanduel apparently.

If what this website states is true for Vegas Matt’s deal, then I would have a major problem with it. I will not be a hypocrite just because this is a legal casino if someone is making money off their viewers losses, that’s a no go for me. I can’t get on all these guys doing it with Bet Online and then be okay with Matt doing so because it’s Fanduel. You should not make money off gambling losses of your viewers. Period. Hard Stop for me. I just don’t know if there’s any way to truly know if that’s part of his deal.

By joining the FanDuel affiliate program, you can make extra cash, while making sports more exciting for friends, followers, and customers. As a FanDuel affiliate, you will get banners, tracking links, videos and all of the marketing tools you need to promote the daily fantasy sports company. As a FanDuel affiliate, you can earn $25 – $35 per new registration and 35% of the net revenue generated by referred users each month via PayPal, check or wire transfer.

This doesn’t talk about the casino program. So any further info anyone has would be appreciated. I truly hope this isn’t the case. By the way, if his deal is getting a percentage of his viewers losses than the negative feedback he received is 100% warranted and would make his rant today truly tone deaf. I really hope his compensation is not tied to his viewer’s torching.

I can’t believe I missed that link. I really thought being an “ambassador” would not include that. I was wrong. I myself see a clear distinction from just waving the flag for Fanduel and actually being compensated directly out of the viewer’s losses. Some may not see that distinction but I do.

If Matt has no such deal it would be great for him to make that clear. If you see this Matt it would be great if you could clarify if your compensation is linked to people’s losses or not. If you invoke the fifth, I can’t guarantee that silence won’t be used against you. This is the internet not a court of law for Christ’s sake.

Like I said, I can’t beat up on all these guys for doing it on BOL for years and then just give a free pass because it’s Fanduel.

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Some are claiming that online gambling is destructive and Matt is promoting that. Give me a fucking break. It's a gambling channel. Brick and mortal casinos are just as destructive as online ones.

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Druff, I hardly ever disagree with you to this extent but on this point I do. I understand brick & mortar casinos are engineered to perfection to displace people from their money. But there are perks, limitations to access to funds and the fact that you are actually having a real life experience in a brick & mortar casino.

I believe the proliferation of legal online casinos will take a toll on society as time goes on more than brick & mortar could ever do. I can’t tell you how many people I know that never would have bet sports with a bookie because it’s “illegal” that now torch coin on the regular. Making it “legal” normalizes it and grows the amount of people willing to take part in it exponentially.

To me real casinos are like cocaine and online casinos are like crack. Cocaine can be a nice experience for a while. Celebrities do it and I hear (not by my own experience of course) having good coke on you can even get you laid. Crack just gets you high and you end up in some vacant crack den squatting and hoping not to get stabbed

But the Titanic is way out in the middle of the Ocean by now. It’s going to hit the iceberg whether Vegas Matt is a Fanduel ambassador or not. So at this point him taking this deal is just spitting into the wind. I have no problem with it. But today’s rant…no bueno.

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Well I understand that online is more accessible, but these were the same arguments I heard in the 2000s from anti-gambling types who wanted to prevent online poker from being legalized.

There was actually a 2006 slogan, "Click a mouse, lose your house!"

LOL!

I am of the belief that online gambling should be legalized and regulated, and each individual should be responsible for themselves. I am fine with "problem gambling" controls being required to be in place, in order to prevent a person from chunking off money beyond what they can afford.

Regardless, Vegas Matt has never postured as an activist against problem gambling. He was just a fun older dude who played slot machines in casinos, had a little gang of additional characters who hung out and also participated (kinda like co-hosts), and showed both the wins and the losses. I don't feel it's Matt's responsibility to restrict his gambling to venues where it's less likely someone will become a problem gambler. I think it's 100% fine that Matt broadcasts from wherever or whatever makes interesting content. The only exception would be likely scam casinos which either would cheat customers or no-pay them, but that's obviously not the case with FanDuel.

As I said, I do agree with some of the other arguments against this recent FanDuel content. It's extremely boring to watch, and given all the streamers playing slots with fake affiliate money, people can't even be certain Matt is actually gambling. So even Matt is risking all or most of his own money, people can't be certain of that, and it's not a good look. So, yes, for channel optics and entertainment value, Matt is best off just sticking to what brought everyone there.

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But the Titanic is way out in the middle of the Ocean by now. It’s going to hit the iceberg whether Vegas Matt is a Fanduel ambassador or not. So at this point him taking this deal is just spitting into the wind. I have no problem with it. But today’s rant…no bueno..

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Well I understand that online is more accessible, but these were the same arguments I heard in the 2000s from anti-gambling types who wanted to prevent online poker from being legalized.

There was actually a 2006 slogan, "Click a mouse, lose your house!"

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Just to be clear Druff, I am not advocating that these sites should be illegal. Just like 1000s of other things that are legal (and should be) but I believe overall harmful to society, I would advise most to try to stay away from it if possible. But I believe in personal responsibility as well. My point is simply that I do believe these online casinos will prove to be more destructive than brick and mortar. It’s not just the accessibility, but the normalization is the big one for me. I guess time will tell.

Obviously Poker and Casino games are different beasts in itself. But that’s not a rabbit hole worth exploring now. Gambling outside casinos for decades required many people to deal with the “underworld” for a lack of a better term. This imho protected people from themselves. Many squares didn’t want to deal with these people, so they saved their gambling for occasions they could go to the casino or whatever.

Now it’s everywhere and I just think it’s going to start have diminishing returns. But I don’t think it shouldn’t happen.

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Regardless, Vegas Matt has never postured as an activist against problem gambling. He was just a fun older dude who played slot machines in casinos, had a little gang of additional characters who hung out and also participated (kinda like co-hosts), and showed both the wins and the losses. I don't feel it's Matt's responsibility to restrict his gambling to venues where it's less likely someone will become a problem gambler. I think it's 100% fine that Matt broadcasts from wherever or whatever makes interesting content. The only exception would be likely scam casinos which either would cheat customers or no-pay them, but that's obviously not the case with FanDuel.

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Fanduel ambassador, as I previously stated I am ok with. I get it. However, personally I believe if his millions of dollars of compensation is in anyway tied to his viewer’s losses, that is what I would find objectionable. It feels super dirty to me if that is the case here. We probably will never know. It wasn’t until I saw that affiliate link that I came to that conclusion. If all he is doing is uploading a shitty video every couple of weeks….God Bless him. I am fine with that.

Just to be clear while I may have a dim view of the gambling landscape and particularly online casinos….that’s not important to me in this situation. How his deal is structured is of interest to me.

I am in no way saying where I draw the line is correct. That’s for each person to decide on their own. Just like so many who saw the video made their own judgment. I can’t put myself in Matt’s shoes. I am sure I would have taken the deal and I also think I would have made my sticking point be that my compensation is in no way tied to my viewer’s losses. But who knows? I’m no where near the stratosphere of Matt’s accomplishments. I absolutely respect what he built.

Anyways that is just my opinion. This is complex. What I am sure about is many of his viewers were disappointed and Matt’s rant today was dismissive of all of them. I think to say all of them are “haters” is unfair and tone deaf. I would like to see him fix that.

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Regardless, Vegas Matt has never postured as an activist against problem gambling. He was just a fun older dude who played slot machines in casinos, had a little gang of additional characters who hung out and also participated (kinda like co-hosts), and showed both the wins and the losses. I don't feel it's Matt's responsibility to restrict his gambling to venues where it's less likely someone will become a problem gambler. I think it's 100% fine that Matt broadcasts from wherever or whatever makes interesting content. The only exception would be likely scam casinos which either would cheat customers or no-pay them, but that's obviously not the case with FanDuel.

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Fanduel ambassador, as I previously stated I am ok with. I get it. However, personally I believe if his millions of dollars of compensation is in anyway tied to his viewer’s losses, that is what I would find objectionable. It feels super dirty to me if that is the case here. We probably will never know. It wasn’t until I saw that affiliate link that I came to that conclusion. If all he is doing is uploading a shitty video every couple of weeks….God Bless him. I am fine with that.

Just to be clear while I may have a dim view of the gambling landscape and particularly online casinos….that’s not important to me in this situation. How his deal is structured is of interest to me.

I am in no way saying where I draw the line is correct. That’s for each person to decide on their own. Just like so many who saw the video made their own judgment. I can’t put myself in Matt’s shoes. I am sure I would have taken the deal and I also think I would have made my sticking point be that my compensation is in no way tied to my viewer’s losses. But who knows? I’m no where near the stratosphere of Matt’s accomplishments. I absolutely respect what he built.

Anyways that is just my opinion. This is complex. What I am sure about is many of his viewers were disappointed and Matt’s rant today was dismissive of all of them. I think to say all of them are “haters” is unfair and tone deaf. I would like to see him fix that.

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JD, I feel the same as you regarding how the deal would be broken down. I would feel a lot better if it is just an "Ambassador" type deal. Like most, there is just something I can not get past with the "% of losses" type of deals.

It is possible that the affiliate link is used to merely determine their return on investment with Vegas Matt. I'm sure whatever deal they have now is locked in (most likely a multi year deal), but they could use this to determine the value of a future deal. As JD said, he may get an additional amount on top of his Ambassador deal for actual loss or even theoretical loss.

For Matt to admit the deal was "Millions of dollars" big mistake.

One thing that does surprise me is their will only be a video "Every 2 or 3 weeks". I would think Fan Duel would need much more exposure than that, but then again I'm sure Matt will have to mention Fan Duel in a positive light in each and every video.

When push comes to shove, as much as I don't like it, I can't blame him. His YT channel could crash tomorrow, and he will still be guaranteed that money as long as he upholds his end of the contract, x number of videos, even if no one is watching. With all these shady non regulated casinos, their contract with you is worth nothing. With Fan Duel, he knows he will be paid, or force
payment through legal action.

In the past few years, the general YT gambling audience has learned how many of these scummy affiliate type deals work. If I was Matt, I would make a video to address a few things. Tell the viewers that he understands their concerns and knows that there are scummy practices in the Affiliate marketing gaming sector. Assuming these things are true (I have no idea if they are). He should state: 1) He is playing with REAL money, that is HIS own money. 2) He gets paid a flat "salary" to be an Ambassador to promote a legal/safe site, and that he is NOT paid a % of losses from the players that use his affiliate link. 3) To the best of his knowledge he is playing with the same RTP (Return to Player) as anyone else on the site, and Fan Duel is NOT "Setting the odds in his favor" to win, when he is streaming. 4) He puts out 30 videos per month, and a video every 2 weeks would amount to 1 in 14 videos, and percentage wise tbis is a very small portion of his content. This would be assuming this is all true, of course.

How Fan Duel must be feeling right now, seeing all the hate he is getting after giving him a multimillion dollar deal lol.

It will be interesting to see going forward if he makes the thumbnail and title similar in the Fan Duel promotional videos, as he does in his regular brick and mortar videos, since there will be a significant amount of people that watch one set of videos but not the other. And if he does, what the difference in views will be.

I agree with Jeff and PV that Matt's rant at the end of that Resorts World video came off too angry.

I went to go look at the comments, and expected to find major vitriol. Surprisingly, almost all of them were positive, which is a huge departure from the previous video where he played on Fanduel. In that video, almost 100% of the comments were negative.

I believe this difference is for a few reasons:

1) The angriest viewers had already left, and didn't watch the next video

2) The video from Resorts World was back to usual beloved Vegas Matt content, with just a rant at the end. This differed from the Fanduel one, which was just 30 minutes of a boring online slot.

3) Matt's rant was from the standpoint of an angry dad who was fired up because the comments upset his son (EJ, who also works on the channel). Many viewers related to that, as I have to imagine the vast majority of them have children, and identify with a father wanting to protect his son.

4) As strange as it sounds, Matt's angry tone made him look more real than his previous video where he acted too excited to be playing a boring online slot machine for 30 minutes. Basically his pissed off reaction was authentic, and reinforced why people liked him in the first place -- his authenticity!

Now it's especially unlikely that he will take PositiveVariance's advice above (which I think is good advice, btw), as he probably feels he doesn't need to at this point. I think he's just going to shut up about it, do his occasional FanDuel content, and that will be that.

I'm not sure if FanDuel gives fake affiliate money to their ambassadors like BetOnline does. That might be a violation of Gaming rules where they operate, and could also jeopardize their getting a license in places they don't have one yet. However, it would be legal to basically start him off with $X worth of freeplay, and he just keeps whatever he wins from it. It would also be legal to just give him so much compensation for doing the videos that gambling his own money on them is trivial.

I am also not sure if it is legal for Matt to get a percentage of people's losses from his referrals. If he is getting money per referral, I'm guessing it would be more along the lines of pay-per-signup or pay-per-real-money-depositor.

I do see why Matt chose to do this, if it's really millions of dollars. That's very hard to turn down, when you know you're promoting a licensed and regulated US casino.

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I agree with Jeff and PV that Matt's rant at the end of that Resorts World video came off too angry.

I went to go look at the comments, and expected to find major vitriol. Surprisingly, almost all of them were positive, which is a huge departure from the previous video where he played on Fanduel. In that video, almost 100% of the comments were negative.

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I know this has run its course for now (until the next Fanduel video of course) but I was traveling so just wanted to make a quick point. Those comments in the subsequent video had to have been scrubbed harder than my Grandmother’s (may she rest in peace) kitchen floor.

The Fanduel Video had something like 6K likes/ 8K dislikes (I can’t see the ratio now because I just have my IPad on me), but it was overwhelmingly negative both in the dislikes and literally 1000s of comments. To get that many dislikes in the age when YouTube has removed the visibility of the from most users is remarkable.

Matt & EJ had two choices. Shut off comments and likes or just let it be. They most likely chopped out a nominal amount of really awful comments, but they had no choice but to just let the negativity it run its course. It’s either shut it all down or let it be when it’s that overwhelming a reaction.

The internet moves on fast but not the fast. EJ had to have been filtering out comments on that next video. There is just no way there would be so few negative comments in that short of a time frame. It’s a pain in the ass to filter, but it can be done. I don’t see any other explanation. I don’t have a problem with it. It’s not like a scammer trying to suppress comments. This was really a business decision as they didn’t want the negativity to hang around like a cold sore…and you can bet your ass neither did Fanduel.

Sorry I couldn’t write this in a more timely manner I have been driving for the better part of two days. I’m guessing they are really going to use every creative muscle in their body to have the next Fanduel video appear in a fashion which lands much softer. My advice and guess would be a lot of self deprecating humor.

His rant on twitch was much more about how much he will be making (millions). He called everyone haters and jealous and that they would be jealous if they knew the details. In his discord he wanted to block every single negative comment but EJ told him, no. I feel like he and his partner in the channel, WBG are very smart people and I am really surprised the way this was all handled. In their intro video they should have explained it better to the audience that this is additional content not a replacement. I think that would have helped lessen the blow. He bought up very good points in his discord about other channels promoting crypto casinos and those social casinos like chumba and not getting half the shit they did and I do agree with him on that. I feel he got very cocky in some of the things he said it doesn't resonate with the audience such as it being a million dollar deal and almost forgetting that his audience is the one who put him in this position to be able to accept this deal in the first place. As far as the deal itself and the affiliate link I can say that he is probably getting paid a flat fee plus a bonus for new sign ups with a deposit made. Typically that is how the online casinos in NJ operate. When I was approached by them to do live streams gambling on their site, they offered only a bonus on sign ups but I am no where near as large of a channel as him so I am sure they could budget more for bringing him on vs me where I had to perform to get paid. I plan on doing a video about this but I am waiting for his next Fan Duel video to see how the audience receives it.

Two of the background crew of the channel were (and still are) regular listeners to my show, dating back to before the Vegas Matt channel started. I really like both of those guys, btw, and have met them in person several times.

I really think the FanDuel thing was so lucrative that they couldn't turn it down. If you're going to turn that down, what won't you turn down?

I agree it should have been explained better, and not just dropped on people like it's the new normal. That was a misstep. I think once people see it's mostly back to typical content, they'll get over it.

Just took a quick look at the pornogrifters and they are still doing the shit online streams from Canada. Looks like they went to Vegas but unsurprisingly no livestreams and then this video was taped from Alliante. So it seems they have not showed their face in the El Cortez since starting the Only Fans. I can’t even read their Only Fans updates it’s so cringe the way they title things. What’s the deal kids with the El Cortez?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ6oWPEDhS0&t=1160s