Last movie you watched?

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by BetCheckBet

For someone like me who only had a cursory knowledge of hacking I really found it interesting learning about the main players involved. Sonatine would probably see this as grade school level though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkgMsvBmjwU

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Stars: Andrew 'weev' Auernheimer, Barrett Brown, Jaime 'asshurtmacfags' Cochran

rofl.

honestly, i dont really pay much attention to hacktivism. i dont have strong feels about it one way or the other, beyond a suspicion that anyone deeply involved in it has some sort of moth-to-flame style attraction to jail/ruin.

that said, ill probably find time to watch this based on your indication that it does not suck.

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Watched this last night, was entertaining - weev is a HOF troll. The soundtrack music was horrible though and nearly ruined the movie for me. Also reminded me about all that lulzsec stuff.

that it has a soundtrack is a tremendously bad sign.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

Not wrt to sushi necessarily (though that was interesting), but more about the lifestyle of working yourself to death and having no life that seems to be prevalent in Japan. Focusing on one skill and dedicating your life to mastering it. Kinda sad and inspiring at the same time.

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I feel like in some way you missed the point; to spend ones life mastering a skill is noble, to succeed is something remarkable and profound.

To interpret that as 'working yourself to death and having no life' is very unfortunate. The man has Michelin stars. I do not understand how you can find a link between that and the 'salaryman' lifestyle.

I think you were tired, and probably high.

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I did say that it was inspiring as well. That's what the American Dream is supposed to be all about. I definitely admire the guy for achieving greatness through sheer determination and hard work despite being dealt a shitty hand.

If all he ever wanted out of life was to master his craft and chase perfection (and it seems that is the case), then good for him. I don't get the impression that his kids are wired the same way, though. Yoshikazu talked about other aspirations he had to let go. He's in his 50s and doesn't appear to have a family or life of his own. He toils in that kitchen and carries the burden of being his famous father's son, held to a standard he'll never live up to, all out of some sense of duty.

Perhaps, but I still think youre reading too much into the failures and too little into the nobility of those failures.

a little more Jiro for you all.

https://vimeo.com/124820375

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by BetCheckBet

For someone like me who only had a cursory knowledge of hacking I really found it interesting learning about the main players involved. Sonatine would probably see this as grade school level though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkgMsvBmjwU

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Stars: Andrew 'weev' Auernheimer, Barrett Brown, Jaime 'asshurtmacfags' Cochran

rofl.

honestly, i dont really pay much attention to hacktivism. i dont have strong feels about it one way or the other, beyond a suspicion that anyone deeply involved in it has some sort of moth-to-flame style attraction to jail/ruin.

that said, ill probably find time to watch this based on your indication that it does not suck.

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Apparently Jaime Cochran is a transsexual. I don't know, but that's what a few articles claim. Of course, Cochran and her group brag about trolling the media, so perhaps it's a joke. Her voice doesn't sound like that of a trans woman's, but who knows?

Never been a fan of hacktivism in general, because it obsesses over "change the world" idealism and "punish those with a different political viewpoint than ours" ethics.

Hacktivists have an obsession with the government spying on us, all while missing the point that the government is mostly discarding the data they collect on the average citizen, while private datamining companies truly are cataloging your entire life and are far more dangerous to our privacy. But the government makes for an easier and sexier target, so that's who they claim they're fighting. Blah.

I was part of the '80s hacker culture where nobody dared link their actions with political movements or civil disobedience, but rather did so out of challenge, entertainment value, boredom, or even an individual sense of power. These motivations are not necessarily noble, but at least they aren't arrogant or weakly morally justified. Basically, we all knew we were being assholes.

Today's hacktivist feels like everything he does is making some sort of statement. I don't like that. Just show what you can do and STFU.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

it obsesses over "change the world" idealism and "punish those with a different political viewpoint than ours" ethics.

Hacktivists have an obsession with the government spying on us, all while missing the point that the government is mostly discarding the data they collect on the average citizen, while private datamining companies truly are cataloging your entire life and are far more dangerous to our privacy. But the government makes for an easier and sexier target,

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of course the above statement is in no way a result of your own political viewpoint, and is more-or-less fact.

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Originally Posted by Corrigan

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

it obsesses over "change the world" idealism and "punish those with a different political viewpoint than ours" ethics.

Hacktivists have an obsession with the government spying on us, all while missing the point that the government is mostly discarding the data they collect on the average citizen, while private datamining companies truly are cataloging your entire life and are far more dangerous to our privacy. But the government makes for an easier and sexier target,

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of course the above statement is in no way a result of your own political viewpoint, and is more-or-less fact.

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I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

Yes, I gave my opinion on the threat of government spying versus private data mining, but the point I'm trying to make is that I don't like hactivism in general, no matter which political or social point they're trying to make.

what pisses me off most about hacktivism:

you dont want the government to 'invade your privacy'? dont use its fucking internet.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

what pisses me off

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Nobody cares nerd.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2yl5urm.gif

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Stars: Andrew 'weev' Auernheimer, Barrett Brown, Jaime 'asshurtmacfags' Cochran

rofl.

honestly, i dont really pay much attention to hacktivism. i dont have strong feels about it one way or the other, beyond a suspicion that anyone deeply involved in it has some sort of moth-to-flame style attraction to jail/ruin.

that said, ill probably find time to watch this based on your indication that it does not suck.

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Apparently Jaime Cochran is a transsexual. I don't know, but that's what a few articles claim. Of course, Cochran and her group brag about trolling the media, so perhaps it's a joke. Her voice doesn't sound like that of a trans woman's, but who knows?

Never been a fan of hacktivism in general, because it obsesses over "change the world" idealism and "punish those with a different political viewpoint than ours" ethics.

Hacktivists have an obsession with the government spying on us, all while missing the point that the government is mostly discarding the data they collect on the average citizen, while private datamining companies truly are cataloging your entire life and are far more dangerous to our privacy. But the government makes for an easier and sexier target, so that's who they claim they're fighting. Blah.

I was part of the '80s hacker culture where nobody dared link their actions with political movements or civil disobedience, but rather did so out of challenge, entertainment value, boredom, or even an individual sense of power. These motivations are not necessarily noble, but at least they aren't arrogant or weakly morally justified. Basically, we all knew we were being assholes.

Today's hacktivist feels like everything he does is making some sort of statement. I don't like that. Just show what you can do and STFU.

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I don;t really disagree with any of this. I just find the subculture very fascinating. The piece produced is clearly strongly biased but you can't deny the strength of the characters involved who for the most part are very charismatic and at the same time very flawed. Barrett reminds me of a young James Spader, Weev a shorter and heavier version of Micon, right down to his ADHD, narcissism, and love of ecigs. It's interesting to see just who the key players are in the anonymous movement. I just wish they would have focused more on the Sabu piece as I feel that is where the real story is here.

Jaime Cochran's linkedin page is.. confusing. That she is currently a 'security engineer' for a bitcoin startup is fairly perfect tho. I'm just surprised that I cant find any technical output from her regarding infosec anyplace.

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Originally Posted by BetCheckBet

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Apparently Jaime Cochran is a transsexual. I don't know, but that's what a few articles claim. Of course, Cochran and her group brag about trolling the media, so perhaps it's a joke. Her voice doesn't sound like that of a trans woman's, but who knows?

Never been a fan of hacktivism in general, because it obsesses over "change the world" idealism and "punish those with a different political viewpoint than ours" ethics.

Hacktivists have an obsession with the government spying on us, all while missing the point that the government is mostly discarding the data they collect on the average citizen, while private datamining companies truly are cataloging your entire life and are far more dangerous to our privacy. But the government makes for an easier and sexier target, so that's who they claim they're fighting. Blah.

I was part of the '80s hacker culture where nobody dared link their actions with political movements or civil disobedience, but rather did so out of challenge, entertainment value, boredom, or even an individual sense of power. These motivations are not necessarily noble, but at least they aren't arrogant or weakly morally justified. Basically, we all knew we were being assholes.

Today's hacktivist feels like everything he does is making some sort of statement. I don't like that. Just show what you can do and STFU.

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I don;t really disagree with any of this. I just find the subculture very fascinating. The piece produced is clearly strongly biased but you can't deny the strength of the characters involved who for the most part are very charismatic and at the same time very flawed. Barrett reminds me of a young James Spader, Weev a shorter and heavier version of Micon, right down to his ADHD, narcissism, and love of ecigs. It's interesting to see just who the key players are in the anonymous movement. I just wish they would have focused more on the Sabu piece as I feel that is where the real story is here.

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Yeah the Micon/libertarian/bitcoin current is pretty strong from what I watched.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

what pisses me off most about hacktivism:

you dont want the government to 'invade your privacy'? dont use its fucking internet.

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The final 15 minutes briefly goes over this point. The movie argues that surveillance has got to a point where it is impossible to truly have any privacy as even public cameras are now centrally controlled through a program (I forget the name). It's more of an afterthought though than a major part of the movie.

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Originally Posted by BetCheckBet

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Originally Posted by sonatine

what pisses me off most about hacktivism:

you dont want the government to 'invade your privacy'? dont use its fucking internet.

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The final 15 minutes briefly goes over this point. The movie argues that surveillance has got to a point where it is impossible to truly have any privacy as even public cameras are now centrally controlled through a program (I forget the name). It's more of an afterthought though than a major part of the movie.

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maybe if these kids could live without 2 trips to starbucks a day they could settle someplace with no public cameras.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I was part of the '80s hacker culture where nobody dared link their actions with political movements or civil disobedience, but rather did so out of challenge, entertainment value, boredom, or even an individual sense of power. These motivations are not necessarily noble, but at least they aren't arrogant or weakly morally justified. Basically, we all knew we were being assholes.

Today's hacktivist feels like everything he does is making some sort of statement. I don't like that. Just show what you can do and STFU.

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Movie looks like a worthy take based on the conversation here.

Druff, I think you are forgetting to mention (and maybe admit to) ego, machismo & peer respect which was not available to most nerdy teens by other means. Yeah, politics was completely absent and was only appended to the pranks to give them added importance but that was bullshit.

I admit to getting caught up in that shit back in the day after reading the Captain Crunch article in Esquire waaaaay back in the day. (Jobs & Wozniak were bit by the same article & built their legendary Blue Box as a result). I thought these guys were god. Phone freaking and all that.

Lol, I recall my first PM to you ever was about this stuff.

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Originally Posted by Corrigan

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

it obsesses over "change the world" idealism and "punish those with a different political viewpoint than ours" ethics.

Hacktivists have an obsession with the government spying on us, all while missing the point that the government is mostly discarding the data they collect on the average citizen, while private datamining companies truly are cataloging your entire life and are far more dangerous to our privacy. But the government makes for an easier and sexier target,

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of course the above statement is in no way a result of your own political viewpoint, and is more-or-less fact.

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Pretty sure those data mining companies objective is to sell advertising spots while the government's objective is not related to revenues,
since they've figured that out long ago.
Is it OK for the government to listen in on all conversations you have without any specific reason nor legal right to do do?

Watched Life Itself after work today a biopic of Roger Ebert. liked it more than I thought I would. he definitely had an interesting life. A little unsettling at times watching his floppy lower jaw and being able to see the white towel on his neck though his open mouth. Worth seeing for the over 40 crowd.

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Watched Life Itself after work today a biopic of Roger Ebert. liked it more than I thought I would. he definitely had an interesting life. A little unsettling at times watching his floppy lower jaw and being able to see the white towel on his neck though his open mouth. Worth seeing for the over 40 crowd.

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Agree, I was surprised how much I liked it. Certainly worth watching.

By the same token I just finished Camp X Ray. Had low expectations, but I enjoyed it. Not great, but good.

I tried watching Monuments Men last night. Don't know why other than it was free and Clooney and Murray are in it... Couldn't make it past the halfway point.