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Clever questions, shout out to the Hasbara crew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
As if Oct 7th wasn't a welcomed and critical part of the greater Israel project and to keep Netanyahu out of jail..
It's time to quit pretending Netanyahu wants the hostages back.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ImO-zm__Boc
Druff, you simp as hard for Israel as mickeycrimm does for trump, and it’s starting to get *really* tiresome. Like 6th grade-level stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Yes, OF COURSE Israel had a right to respond after 10/7. I was 100% in their corner when that went down.
But there was absolutely *no* reason it couldn’t have been over in a month if Israel wanted it to be. The Israeli military is the most powerful in the Middle East and the Gaza Strip comprises 141 square miles, for fuck’s sake. Mexico City alone is 4 times larger geographically.
Also of course, everything you say about Hamas using civilians as human shields, hiding ordnance and leadership assets in places like hospitals, etc. is also correct. They’re evil people, straight up. I’m not disputing that and anyone who takes their side here is a fucking mong.
None of that changes what I said above though. If Israel wanted to, they could’ve gone in a did what needed to be done in no more than a month, full stop.
Yes, many civilians would have been killed, but probably far less than the current toll. You trying to justify the length of this conflict as Israel’s attempt to be “surgical” and avoid civilian casualties is just laughable beyond all belief.
Yes, not all of the hostages would have made it out, but I’m also willing to wager that a higher percentage would have made it out alive under my scenario than under the current scenario.
Yes, some hospitals, schools, etc would have been destroyed, but they’ve been destroyed anyhow.
Most importantly though, Israel would have solved the problem while 10/7 was still fresh on everyone’s minds and public opinion was squarely on their side. One HUGE reason the Hamas propaganda machine has met with so much success is because Israel has allowed it so much time to be effective.
It is well known that Bibi has more or less an ironclad corruption case pending against him which under Israeli law can’t be prosecuted as long as he is still Prime Minister. It’s also well-known that he’s deeply unpopular with the Israeli electorate writ large. You really can’t connect the dots here?
It’s just been one unforced error after another on Israel’s part for basically the last year, the attack on Qatar (which didn’t even meet its objective) being the latest.
I agree with you that Israel lost the American far-left long ago, and more recently the far-right, but if they ever lose the center (me) it’s game over, and there are some pretty serious cracks starting to develop. They need to end this like yesterday.
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Originally Posted by go_buccosDruff, you simp as hard for Israel as mickeycrimm does for trump, and it’s starting to get *really* tiresome. Like 6th grade-level stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Yes, OF COURSE Israel had a right to respond after 10/7. I was 100% in their corner when that went down.
But there was absolutely *no* reason it couldn’t have been over in a month if Israel wanted it to be. The Israeli military is the most powerful in the Middle East and the Gaza Strip comprises 141 square miles, for fuck’s sake. Mexico City alone is 4 times larger geographically.
Also of course, everything you say about Hamas using civilians as human shields, hiding ordnance and leadership assets in places like hospitals, etc. is also correct. They’re evil people, straight up. I’m not disputing that and anyone who takes their side here is a fucking mong.
None of that changes what I said above though. If Israel wanted to, they could’ve gone in a did what needed to be done in no more than a month, full stop.
Yes, many civilians would have been killed, but probably far less than the current toll. You trying to justify the length of this conflict as Israel’s attempt to be “surgical” and avoid civilian casualties is just laughable beyond all belief.
Yes, not all of the hostages would have made it out, but I’m also willing to wager that a higher percentage would have made it out alive under my scenario than under the current scenario.
Yes, some hospitals, schools, etc would have been destroyed, but they’ve been destroyed anyhow.
Most importantly though, Israel would have solved the problem while 10/7 was still fresh on everyone’s minds and public opinion was squarely on their side. One HUGE reason the Hamas propaganda machine has met with so much success is because Israel has allowed it so much time to be effective.
It is well known that Bibi has more or less an ironclad corruption case pending against him which under Israeli law can’t be prosecuted as long as he is still Prime Minister. It’s also well-known that he’s deeply unpopular with the Israeli electorate writ large. You really can’t connect the dots here?
It’s just been one unforced error after another on Israel’s part for basically the last year, the attack on Qatar (which didn’t even meet its objective) being the latest.
I agree with you that Israel lost the American far-left long ago, and more recently the far-right, but if they ever lose the center (me) it’s game over, and there are some pretty serious cracks starting to develop. They need to end this like yesterday.
I'm not simping at all. In fact, I made a post yesterday stating that Bibi messed up big time by allowing Qatar to send $30m/month in "aid" to Hamas from 2011-2023, assuming it would buy peace. Instead he accidentally let them fund Hamas' military, weaponry, and tunnels.
Your entire point seems to be one of strategy, not of morality.
You're saying that Israel should have gone in, completely kicked ass, ignored the hate of the cucks of the international community, and taken care of business within a month or so.
I agree!
In fact, guess who said that back in 2023? Me!
The problem was that Hamas had the propaganda machine all ready (aided by stupid Western media and extremists on social media), so they hesitated and instead decided to do everything they could to prove this was a kinder, gentler military action.
This backfired badly, because it just dragged the whole thing out much longer, while at the same time the bullshit genocide allegations persist anyway. So if you're going to wrongfully be accused of genocide either way, you might as well come in aggressively, end the matter within a short time, and basically say "Fuck you, we had no choice, deal with it" to the critics.
Like everything else, this blows over and people forget. This matter dragging for 2 years is what keeps it fresh in everyone's minds.
My statement has never been, "Israel is handling this perfectly."
My claim is that they had no choice but to respond here, and that this isn't a genocide in any way, shape, or form.
You are right this wasn't just about crushing Hamas. You can kill a Bunch of Hamas soldiers and they can just recruit more. Hamas fighters themselves are completely replaceable, and the supply of radicalized young men to re-fill the ranks is endless. Gaza has one of the highest birthrates in the world, completely at the expense of Western taxpayers like you and me. For every Hamas fighter you kill, 5 more are being born.Quote:
Originally Posted by go_buccos
This was about methodically going through Gaza and destroying the terror infrastructure, which is basically everything above and below ground. Building by building. Tunnel by tunnel. Pretty much every building in Gaza had been militarized with tunnels and weapons depots; again at the expense of the Western taxpayer.
On top of this, dragging the war out has allowed Israel to greatly weaken the Axis of Resistance in Lebanon, Syria, Iran and with mixed results in Yemen (as Houthis dont seem to give a shit, they are going to keep firing rockets at Israel even if all of Yemen burns in response).
Israel and Netanyahu have achieved some important military tactical successes. Not everything they have tried to do has been a success, but a lot has. But as you have said, this has come at the expense of Western goodwill. Was the juice worth the squeeze? Time will tell. But I think you are being grossly biased and naive just saying the last 2 years have been one unforced error after another for Israel/Netanyahu.
There is no way anyone could have predicted on 10/8/2023 that Assad's Syria would fall, Hezbollah and Hamas would be weakened as much as they have, and Israel would have been able to recruit US to help them destroy Iranian nuclear plants. In the short term, the last 2 years have really been amazing for Israel as far as military achievements goes, and even if you think he is the devil, you should give Netanyahu his due.
Maybe I am completely wrong here, but I dont think it is obvious that a quick campaign to crush Hamas (which would just recruit and rebuild at the Western taxpayer expense) and then go back to the pre 10/7 status quo with Iran and its Arab paramilitaries threatening Israel from 5 different fronts would have been better for Israel than how things actually played out.
Time will tell I guess.
If we are in a simulation, the middle east is some poorly coded bullshit
Arabs are simultaneously low IQ with low impulse control, violent, extremely arrogant and proud, religious fanatics, and extremely inept at organized violence. Which has turned out to be a bad combination, as they get their shit pushed in every time they fight any non Arabs in any engagement more complex than a surprise guerilla/terrorist attack. 10/7 was pretty much the biggest "battlefield" success Arabs have had in hundreds of years, and in truth it kind of sucked. They lost 1,000 soldiers in the process of murdering around the same number of Israelis in a complete surprise attack, most of them civilian soft targets. Anyone else and that would be considered a military disaster. If the US attempted such an operation and lost 5 soldiers it would probably have been considered a disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
But because of their pride and religious fanaticism they cant just accept they suck at violence, take the L and make peace, and find other avenues to exert power*. So they keep going back to the well over and over and over and here we are.
*In fairness, Qatar seems to be bucking the trend in this, and achieving strategic gains no Arab military leader ever has since the time of Saladin.
Israel announced weeks ago they were going to confiscate the entire flotilla to pay for everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by KalamIsrael announced weeks ago they were going to confiscate the entire flotilla to pay for everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
this shit just writes itself, doesn't it?
https://x.com/Nero/status/1974723741444866389
A list of the churches. Bibi and co. are somehow doing even more irreparable damage to the U.S./Israel relationship. This has been discussed before, but it seems like turning the younger half of the country away isn't good enough, they want millennials and zoomers to be outright hostile to the country as they become the largest voting bloc. This type of shit is indefensible.
https://x.com/SuppressedNws1/status/1971186129698423117
This is how the most recent South Park episode ended. Regardless of any one person's opinion, including my own, general observation says the sentiment here and all the different versions of it are growing by the day. "Normies" from what I've seen largely didn't care at all about this a year ago, but the pushback from them seems to only to be getting started. This has even been noticeable here among regular posters.
I love when people wake up to how intrusive targeted internet advertising is (and has been for over 15 years), and they act like they've made some new discovery.
The term "geofencing" is very scary-sounding, and makes it seem as if you are being intruded upon if you're in a certain place at a certain time. The "fencing" part makes it sound like you're in some kind of virtual prison.
Even that pedo MILO is trying to imply that your "every move is tracked".
Nope. That's not what's going on here.
Israel basically bought targeted ads, and hired a firm to display those ads when people are in or around major churches, around worship time. It's not too different than buying a billboard, except in this case, the ad displays on your phone in place of random ads which would otherwise display.
So if you're at a major California church on Sunday morning, you might get a pro-Israel ad rather than an ad for Coca-Cola.
But that's it. You're not being tracked. You're not being spied on.
This effort is an attempt to reach what they believe is an influential population who is at least somewhat friendly to them.
Would you be disturbed if your phone served you an ad for Caesars Palace as soon as you passed across the Nevada state line? If not, you shouldn't be offended by this. And if you are offended by this, you should hate pretty much every company which engages in targeted advertising, because many of their tactics are WAY more intrusive.
Remember all those times you talk about a product with someone, and then an hour later you're served an ad for it? That's the creepy shit which should concern you, NOT Israel serving you ads when you're at church.
Why is a foreign government running a targeted ad campaign geofenced to church coordinates in the United States? I think you are really missing the point. And depending on what app they are ran through and privacy settings, location data can be and likely will be stored for anyone targeted by the ads, who's then subjected to later ads outside of the locations. The optics of this are insane regardless of if it isn't really as sinister as it seems.
For the record, I don't like Milo. His new schtick is pretending to be a self described ex-gay, devout Catholic. He is another person that blames Jews for everything, but if I remember correctly, his mom is actually Jewish, ergo so is he.
LOL Milo. I actually follow him because he occasionally says something funny, although he is much less funny now than he used to be. But that dude is not a good faith actor.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnP
And LOL you. All the antisemitic garbage that informs your worldview comes from foreign intelligence operations anyways. Who do you think is making sure Milo's antisemetic tweets are making it to your timeline, and is probably paying him?
If I was going to have a foreign govt informing my worldview, I would much rather it was Israel than Pakistan or China. But you do you.
I am sure shitting on Jews and slurping the nutsacks of Pakistan, China and Iran bots is going to go very well for America moving forward. Our country clearly has a bright future ahead of itself.
I am sure someone is paying him. You really think all these guys just woke up one day and decided to be antisemitic and make 85% of their social media posts on Jews and Israel? I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnP
Of course I don't, but I think with him it is genuine hate. He's a genuinely fucked up person. He was raised by his grandparents on his father's side, and that definitely has something to do with it. I only know these things because I remember virtually everything I've ever read, and he has gotten into entertaining battles with Loomer where they air each other's dirty laundry over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by KalamI am sure someone is paying him. You really think all these guys just woke up one day and decided to be antisemitic and make 85% of their social media posts on Jews and Israel? I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnP
lets check in on israels best and brightest sosh media sock puppets, shall we?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2ffUUdW...jpg&name=large