Active Shooter, Parkland, FL High School

So since all of this is true, there is no reason not to sell AR-15's?............No reason, AT ALL, to make it harder on the guy.

This same reasoning, just proves my theory that Sandy Hook is 100 % on the NRA.
Yeah, ok Druff, he could've bought a bomb and killed 26 students, or drove a truck through their kindergarten class room???

Even high school students see through BS like druff just wrote. And they are voting in 2020.

Florida student Emma Gonzalez to lawmakers and gun advocates: 'We call BS'


Republican Senator Chuck Grassley ...... 'Well, it's a shame the FBI isn't doing background checks on these mentally ill people.' Well, duh. You took that opportunity away last year.

The people in the government who were voted into power are lying to us.

Politicians who sit in their gilded House and Senate seats funded by the NRA telling us nothing could have been done to prevent this, we call BS

They say tougher guns laws do not decrease gun violence. We call BS.

They say a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun. We call BS.

They say guns are just tools like knives and are as dangerous as cars. We call BS.

They say no laws could have prevented the hundreds of senseless tragedies that have occurred. We call BS. That us kids don't know what we're talking about, that we're too young to understand how the government works. We call BS.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/17/us/fl...ech/index.html

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Picture this same Florida shooter had zero access to weapons.

Picture full gun control in the US, which is somehow miraculously effective and he absolutely cannot get access to a gun.

Yet he still has the same desire to kill a mass number of people.

Do you think he would have just said, "Aw shucks! If only I had a gun....", and given up?

Or do you think that he might have utilized bombs or a vehicle to kill people anyway?

People are focusing on the wrong things here.

This guy clearly committed a premeditated act, and would have simply planned it using a different mass-murdering "weapon" if he had no access to guns.

The focus here should be on the FBI and how they massively shit the bed.

The secondary focus here should be on the broken mental health system in the US.

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Id love it if someone can bottom line what common sense changes need to be made to gun laws in the US.

I read about gun stocks. Not sure how that would/would not help.

Magazine capacity. Seems that would make a difference in one of these events.

Ban "assault rifles". What is the line between a regular rifle and an assault one. What is allowed what isn't and why.

Should guns perhaps be regulated at a state level? I have no issues with someone waking around with a fully automatic 100 mag war weapon in Wyoming. Downtown Chicago probably a different story.

Seems like a logical reaction is to say let's have a second amendment repeal but it's very logical to say that isn't going to happen in this country, at least not in the current makeup of the country. What's achievable?

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i don't get what you're saying here.

a person absolutely CAN walk into a gun store and buy an assault rifle. are you contending that they're illegal in the US cause they're not. you then go on to say that you own zero assault rifles but own several AR's... which are assault rifles.

did you mean you can't legally get fully automatic machine guns? i don't think any of the mass shootings lately have been with fully automatic weapons

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I just checked in now. I just hot home a little bit ago and i am frickin tired. I have much to address maybe later on or tomorrow, but ill touch on your comment because its easy.

Blake - Pretty much literally everything you just said IS WRONG. Im not trying to be a dick here and frankly i think you are one of the more level headed people when it comes to debating etc, but you are wrong. The media is wrong as well, which is pretty likely where you got your info from.

Once again, you CANNOT legally purchase an assault rifle in this country ( there are certain very rare instances, but they are VERY RARE)

AN AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle. I dont give a shit who tells you otherwise. The government has already addressed this decades ago and even made laws about it. I dont care what media outlet or whoever it is claims the weapons are assault rifles, but they do not know what the hell they are talking about.

Some may think im arguing semantics, but there is a big reason why i drive this point home which i will touch on more probably tomorrow. Even police and some "government" officials still incorrectly coin the term. There have already been laws before the 80s and 90s that ban assault rifles.

An assault rifle has been clearly defined as a weapon which has selective fire - semi auto and full auto. There are some big reasons why i touch on this topic and drive this misleading term home as best i can. I will touch on this more tomorrow.

The "assault weapons ban" of the 90's was a load of horseshit. It more or less banned certain rifles of having certain ergonomic/cosmetic parts. I could still legally buy an AR 15 during tjis supposed ban. I know because when i was young and a couple years out of high school, there was a nice shing black one sitting on the shelf of my local sporting goods store which was around 99 -00. I was almost ready to buy it but i had other things i chose to spend my money on. The only thing that rifle lacked was certain ergonomic parts (example: an adjustable stock). Its laughable.

Look, do some searching. Dont get your info from the media

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your point seems to be that a technical definition of an assault rifle -- which, from my experience, even gun dealers don't realize -- is that assault rifles MUST be able to be made fully automatic or they are not "assault rifles."

i don't know who gets to define this, but even if we use your definition, i'm not sure what point you were trying to make. you say you'll get to it later, so i guess we'll see.

the classic "assault rifle" per 99% of the world's definition is the AR-15. we're talking about semi-automatic rifles with large clip capacities for which you can mow down a large group of people quickly. those are the weapons that should be made illegal

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I just checked in now. I just hot home a little bit ago and i am frickin tired. I have much to address maybe later on or tomorrow, but ill touch on your comment because its easy.

Blake - Pretty much literally everything you just said IS WRONG. Im not trying to be a dick here and frankly i think you are one of the more level headed people when it comes to debating etc, but you are wrong. The media is wrong as well, which is pretty likely where you got your info from.

Once again, you CANNOT legally purchase an assault rifle in this country ( there are certain very rare instances, but they are VERY RARE)

AN AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle. I dont give a shit who tells you otherwise. The government has already addressed this decades ago and even made laws about it. I dont care what media outlet or whoever it is claims the weapons are assault rifles, but they do not know what the hell they are talking about.

Some may think im arguing semantics, but there is a big reason why i drive this point home which i will touch on more probably tomorrow. Even police and some "government" officials still incorrectly coin the term. There have already been laws before the 80s and 90s that ban assault rifles.

An assault rifle has been clearly defined as a weapon which has selective fire - semi auto and full auto. There are some big reasons why i touch on this topic and drive this misleading term home as best i can. I will touch on this more tomorrow.

The "assault weapons ban" of the 90's was a load of horseshit. It more or less banned certain rifles of having certain ergonomic/cosmetic parts. I could still legally buy an AR 15 during tjis supposed ban. I know because when i was young and a couple years out of high school, there was a nice shing black one sitting on the shelf of my local sporting goods store which was around 99 -00. I was almost ready to buy it but i had other things i chose to spend my money on. The only thing that rifle lacked was certain ergonomic parts (example: an adjustable stock). Its laughable.

Look, do some searching. Dont get your info from the media

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your point seems to be that a technical definition of an assault rifle -- which, from my experience, even gun dealers don't realize -- is that assault rifles MUST be able to be made fully automatic or they are not "assault rifles."

i don't know who gets to define this, but even if we use your definition, i'm not sure what point you were trying to make. you say you'll get to it later, so i guess we'll see.

the classic "assault rifle" per 99% of the world's definition is the AR-15. we're talking about semi-automatic rifles with large clip capacities for which you can mow down a large group of people quickly. those are the weapons that should be made illegal

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But everyone and their grandmother owning some sort of high cap 9mm is ok?

Wow! It finally just clicked for as to why most schools don't tell the students when they are gonna run shooting drills. Apparently this gay boy was told they would be firing blanks as part of a drill and as a result he didn't take the actual shooting seriously. So my guess is that most schools don't tell the students beforehand because if a kid wants to shoot up the school the best time would be after the students are told a drill would be happening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0g2ZFE6Ns


I was just about to give up watching these videos because the smiling is just maddening to me but then it makes it all worth it when something clicks.


Edit: And yo Jimmy G those Emma Gonzales videos are disgusting to me. It's one level of nasty if the parent wants to make a political statement but a classmate at a funeral where she doesn't know the politics of the parents while standing on the fresh dirt that buried them is just plain gross. Show some fucking respect.


I don't care if you hate guns or hate Trump or whatever the fuck you hate. This sorta shit should be unacceptable to all humans. I refuse to believe that all of the left supports disrespecting parents and the deceased before even all of their funerals have happened. Have you no heart?

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Id love it if someone can bottom line what common sense changes need to be made to gun laws in the US.

I read about gun stocks. Not sure how that would/would not help.

Magazine capacity. Seems that would make a difference in one of these events.

Ban "assault rifles". What is the line between a regular rifle and an assault one. What is allowed what isn't and why.

Should guns perhaps be regulated at a state level? I have no issues with someone waking around with a fully automatic 100 mag war weapon in Wyoming. Downtown Chicago probably a different story.

Seems like a logical reaction is to say let's have a second amendment repeal but it's very logical to say that isn't going to happen in this country, at least not in the current makeup of the country. What's achievable?

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Stocks are about the ability to conceal same as restricting barrel length. I wouldn't know if pistol grips make enough of a difference in the ease of use department, but i would assume so.

Just ban everything that's mostly just good at killing people by the dozens while having plenty of reasonable substitutes for sport, hunting and self-defense. It's regrettable that some people are born with below average size penis, but they are just going to have to find another way to express it.

You don't necessarily have to make it against the law to own weapons that are referred to as assault rifles, but it would make sense to make it illegal to make and sell new ones. Because currently they are becoming deadlier and easier to use on each new generation. Just limiting the weapons that kids can legally buy should have a positive effect.

Someone just turning 18 with no hunting or sport history should have no legitimate use for anything besides .22s and shotguns. Let them get accustomed to those and generally avoid mass shootings for a year or two. If he passes that single rule, then we can talk about proper hunting rifles.

Yes let's make an exception for people that hunt for fucking sport. How big of a god damned psycho do you have to be to watch them scrape children of the slab damn near monthly and not feel like the biggest fucking douchebag of all time when you push to keep guns legal so you can keep going sport hunting. People that need to kill animals for the thrill should all have the guns turned on them. I'm sure there are people that I don't know about that are more deserving of getting shot but of the things I can see, hear, and touch no one deserves to get shot more than these thrill killers that circle where I live 2-3 months a year. It's no joke I bet I hear more gun shots than gang bangers do during hunting season.

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Yes let's make an exception for people that hunt for fucking sport. How big of a god damned psycho do you have to be to watch them scrape children of the slab damn near monthly and not feel like the biggest fucking douchebag of all time when you push to keep guns legal so you can keep going sport hunting. People that need to kill animals for the thrill should all have the guns turned on them. I'm sure there are people that I don't know about that are more deserving of getting shot but of the things I can see, hear, and touch no one deserves to get shot more than these thrill killers that circle where I live 2-3 months a year. It's no joke I bet I hear more gun shots than gang bangers do during hunting season.

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A real man hunts with a bow anyway, like Ted Nugent does.

its funny, i _love_ guns to the point where i considered getting a gunsmith license so i could trick out 1911 race-frames for IPSC back in the early 90s.

but id never touch a gun again, gladly, if it meant that one (1) random asshole could live his life instead of being murdered.

its strange to me that people not only dont feel that way, but are somehow tolerated in society.

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Yes let's make an exception for people that hunt for fucking sport. How big of a god damned psycho do you have to be to watch them scrape children of the slab damn near monthly and not feel like the biggest fucking douchebag of all time when you push to keep guns legal so you can keep going sport hunting. People that need to kill animals for the thrill should all have the guns turned on them. I'm sure there are people that I don't know about that are more deserving of getting shot but of the things I can see, hear, and touch no one deserves to get shot more than these thrill killers that circle where I live 2-3 months a year. It's no joke I bet I hear more gun shots than gang bangers do during hunting season.

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Hunting and sport as separate activities. Sport ranging from plinking at Obama shaped targets to actual Olympic sports like the one where you ski a while and then stop to shoot at five non living targets. Mildly retarded but do whatever if no one is getting hurt.

I do love the fantasy world the anti-gun people live in and wish I could live there too.

90 million gun owners, 300 million guns and a few trillion rounds of ammunition floating around.

In what world do you ban guns does it have any effect on anything?

Also, who are you going to get to enforce said law? The police and armed forces that have near 100% gun ownership rates?

How about we start with practical laws like firearm insurance, required firearm training and better background checks?

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I do love the fantasy world the anti-gun people live in and wish I could live there too.

90 million gun owners, 300 million guns and a few trillion rounds of ammunition floating around.

In what world do you ban guns does it have any effect on anything?

Also, who are you going to get to enforce said law? The police and armed forces that have near 100% gun ownership rates?

How about we start with practical laws like firearm insurance, required firearm training and better background checks?

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Start grinding with regulations. Make it expensive and time consuming.

two words:


death tax.


all assault weapons require a massive death tax on purchase and trade.

additionally all assault weapons will require yearly registration fees.

possession of an untaxed or unregistered assault weapon = mandatory prison time.

and its that last part, btw, thats going to get the republicans on board with their private prison investments.

brisk business, knaves.

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Seems like a logical reaction is to say let's have a second amendment repeal but it's very logical to say that isn't going to happen in this country, at least not in the current makeup of the country. What's achievable?

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but the current makeup in the country is changing. i posted this already but a total gun ban is inevitable. all you have to do is look at demographics and look at polls showing how those groups vote.

gun rights advocates are more strongly concentrated in white rural uneducated groups, but that group is disappearing

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Support for gun control is correlated, too, with levels of education. Gun rights are favored by a slim majority of those who attended only high school (50 percent to 47 percent). Among those with a college degree, however, 58 percent favor gun control, compared with 38 percent for gun rights. This demographic is also trending in a favorable direction for gun control advocates. Between 2002 and 2012, enrollment in degree-granting institutions increased by 24 percent.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.fe6e77b53dd9


there's also other factors that affect thinking on gun ownership like pop culture and the decline of religion which are trending in the wrong direction for gun enthusiasts.

chang you fucking nerd youre out here posting on pfa and not responding to my nascar dfs invites and you ducked hockey last night whats really going on here

i better see you tonight for the all star game

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I do love the fantasy world the anti-gun people live in and wish I could live there too.

90 million gun owners, 300 million guns and a few trillion rounds of ammunition floating around.

In what world do you ban guns does it have any effect on anything?

Also, who are you going to get to enforce said law? The police and armed forces that have near 100% gun ownership rates?

How about we start with practical laws like firearm insurance, required firearm training and better background checks?

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Exactly. The same fantasy world lives on the Right in regards to deporting ALL illegal immigrants (many that have been here forever). Both sides have their own delusional thinking.

Canada fucking allows people to own the AR 15. Banning that is going to zero. Our issue is major lack of mental health resources and kids with fucked up families.

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Yes let's make an exception for people that hunt for fucking sport. How big of a god damned psycho do you have to be to watch them scrape children of the slab damn near monthly and not feel like the biggest fucking douchebag of all time when you push to keep guns legal so you can keep going sport hunting. People that need to kill animals for the thrill should all have the guns turned on them. I'm sure there are people that I don't know about that are more deserving of getting shot but of the things I can see, hear, and touch no one deserves to get shot more than these thrill killers that circle where I live 2-3 months a year. It's no joke I bet I hear more gun shots than gang bangers do during hunting season.

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A real man hunts with a bow anyway, like Ted Nugent does.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETgmlcIED6E

Btw, that looks fun.

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but the current makeup in the country is changing. i posted this already but a total gun ban is inevitable. all you have to do is look at demographics and look at polls showing how those groups vote.

gun rights advocates are more strongly concentrated in white rural uneducated groups, but that group is disappearing

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Gun control is extremely popular among Hispanics, with 75 percent favoring gun safety over gun rights.

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Support for gun control is correlated, too, with levels of education. Gun rights are favored by a slim majority of those who attended only high school (50 percent to 47 percent). Among those with a college degree, however, 58 percent favor gun control, compared with 38 percent for gun rights. This demographic is also trending in a favorable direction for gun control advocates. Between 2002 and 2012, enrollment in degree-granting institutions increased by 24 percent.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.fe6e77b53dd9


there's also other factors that affect thinking on gun ownership like pop culture and the decline of religion which are trending in the wrong direction for gun enthusiasts.

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I'm not going to argue the trend. But now is not 10 years from now and a constitutional amendment just isn't on the table.

So with that in mind - what can be done now.