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and why is venompoker being directed to pokerfraudalert?
Did you say VENOMQuote:
Originally Posted by mulva
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A74cIbQdJk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Maybe I need to clarify my earlier post,
I was not implying that one of those 7 investors left did pm cokehead,
I think, he is full of shit.
I just don't know them or hadn't seen any post from them, so didn't want to speak for them,
You don't need to clarify anything. I'm sure nobody read your post anyway. You're a Jasep ball gagger. You want to tongue his balls then have him pound your ass. We get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415
People are seriously sending me a lot of shit.
:lol2
don't really agree with your pov but A++ on the shoppQuote:
Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser
I can't take credit for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by shortbuspokerdon't really agree with your pov but A++ on the shoppQuote:
Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser
http://i.imgur.com/04vVIf3.jpg
prop bet with druff?
My opinion is that the truth always eventually comes out in these situations, and usually it doesn't take very long.
I think that this is a reasonable discussion, and I am confident that it will soon result in the clarity that everyone is seeking.
Very infrequently do situations like this end in mystery.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
What Druff is trying to say is-Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
"Johnny Sep"-
After 3 months this is your answer?
You have a mission statement on your homepage.
I think you owe more than a generic response.
JASEP GL N ENJOY BANGING MUTTS ON POF
I would say more cryptic then genericQuote:
Originally Posted by The_PHA
I've thought of this as well. Jasep was an unabashed "user" of the women on the Plenty of Fish website.Quote:
Originally Posted by yaahello
Not really surprised that his character has been called into question once more.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by limitlesI've thought of this as well. Jasep was an unabashed "user" of the women on the Plenty of Fish website.Quote:
Originally Posted by yaahello
Not really surprised that his character has been called into question once more.
yeah, he put a gun to their head
two consenting adults, how the fuck could you find fault in that?
Well you obv don't remember but Jasep made a big deal about how to make use of the 4's and 5's of the world with zero intentions on starting a relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFMLQuote:
Originally Posted by limitles
yeah, he put a gun to their head
two consenting adults, how the fuck could you find fault in that?
He started a thread to show how he does it, what techniques he used etc. It's a little like stealing from PokerStars and then bragging about it.
To trumpet your conquests of the unattached, middle to bottom of the pack did not sit well with me. I hate people who take advantage of others period. (two periods)
I'm sure there are some women who are simply out to get laid and but knowing women as I do (lol) I believe most are out to simply secure a giant nest egg. (oooops)
I guess all is fair.
To sum it up I knew Sep was a bum from day one.
he obviously knew he was batting above his averageQuote:
Originally Posted by limitles
Putting my feelings of thinking he is a lying bag of shit aside, it isn't really possible for a guy like Jasep to take advantage of 4's and 5's. He's no more than a 3 or 4 himself. If anything, they probably took advantage of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesWell you obv don't remember but Jasep made a big deal about how to make use of the 4's and 5's of the world with zero intentions on starting a relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
He started a thread to show how he does it, what techniques he used etc. It's a little like stealing from PokerStars and then bragging about it.
To trumpet your conquests of the unattached, middle to bottom of the pack did not sit well with me. I hate people who take advantage of others period. (two periods)
I'm sure there are some women who are simply out to get laid and but knowing women as I do (lol) I believe most are out to simply secure a giant nest egg. (oooops)
I guess all is fair.
To sum it up I knew Sep was a bum from day one.
Random 5 girl- "You fucked that fat little greasy guy you met on the internet?"
Random 4 girl- "Yeah, but I was horny. Hope he doesn't call again."
If you are a 3 yourself, you can't take advantage of 4's and 5's. They are slumming it to be with you, not the other way around. There are guys on here who could take advantage of 4's and 5's. Johnny Curlytail isn't one of them.
Yeah I "pulled out" the 10% but I highly doubt we're going to see any money in this "investment"Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415Don't think any of us have a problem, I just wish my financial planner worked as hard as azzclown and Cokehead have to protect my $ 100 investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandwich
Ok w/ this thread wrapping up what I learned was we have someone w/less credibility than azzclown.
Cokehead said "many" investors pm'd him to keep going, (right, to ask LAME questions like "Gee, sep isn't even your last name")
There "were" (thanks for ending it dickhead) only 17,
I'm sure it was none of the people below,
Hockey, Belly (only cuz I think he would go to jassep directly) , Drexel (just a guess, but would bet money), pikachar, steve-o (just a guess), sandwich, tony, me, handicap, hott shott, off the top.
So there are 7 left that I haven't seen comment here, or our private thread. (they probably have, azzclown ruined this thread dispelling w/his gambling wisdom)
I'll post more to come in the next few hours, after giving you a good clean (generally grammar free) post.
I will lay everything out, I did my own little investigation.
I'll allow Druff 100% access to my information, along with Asian Spa.
Is that your GF in the avatar? What a beautiful rack.Quote:
Originally Posted by pikacharYeah I "pulled out" the 10% but I highly doubt we're going to see any money in this "investment"Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415
Don't think any of us have a problem, I just wish my financial planner worked as hard as azzclown and Cokehead have to protect my $ 100 investment.
Ok w/ this thread wrapping up what I learned was we have someone w/less credibility than azzclown.
Cokehead said "many" investors pm'd him to keep going, (right, to ask LAME questions like "Gee, sep isn't even your last name")
There "were" (thanks for ending it dickhead) only 17,
I'm sure it was none of the people below,
Hockey, Belly (only cuz I think he would go to jassep directly) , Drexel (just a guess, but would bet money), pikachar, steve-o (just a guess), sandwich, tony, me, handicap, hott shott, off the top.
So there are 7 left that I haven't seen comment here, or our private thread. (they probably have, azzclown ruined this thread dispelling w/his gambling wisdom)
I'll post more to come in the next few hours, after giving you a good clean (generally grammar free) post.
I will lay everything out, I did my own little investigation.
I'll allow Druff 100% access to my information, along with Asian Spa.
Please read above first. I have bolded what Jasep had written and then I replied belowQuote:
Originally Posted by Jasep
I have been getting many PMS with questions and I will address why I left VPR as well
#1 yes I said the site makes no money and that is why I left but it is fairly obvious there is more. The truth is both Brandon and I never really cared about making money. I never really expected to make money and if we did make money then great. If not then no big deal. Poker has always been my # 1 focus and my primary source of income. If the site made money and we blew up then great but at the same time it wasn't expected and the site was always secondary to poker. It was more about doing some decent radio that people listened to and I am glad you guys enjoyed some of the content we put out there.
#2 I have been skeptical of this BAP since it was put up December 10th or whenever Jaseps post is dated and I have followed closely as have others and I have seen excuse after excuse on the most no- professional stake I have ever seen and frankly I was embarrassed to be in business with a guy like this. While brandon's decision was concrete to leave weeks ago I was't sure and last week was the tipping point.
#3 I find out last week that Jasep committed Identity theft and Fraud and I wanted to see how he responded. It is amazing that some people just dismiss and dismissed 6toepete but the guy has opened a can of worms that frankly started a chain reaction to show what a fraud Jasep is. He tried to avoid the issue and said he would talk privately about it with people. Which is fine but his reasoning is bullshit. I decided then and there that I was out as a business partner but waited because others were researching other things.
#4 The final straw came Saturday and Sunday. A bunch of questions were asked here and most were danced around or avoided. Granted a lot of the questions came from trolls and dupes but they were still never answered and Jasep decided to go in the dark.
#5 I was awoken by some texts Sunday afternoon that Jasep had posted a letter containing all of 6toed petes personal info on VPR which led me to immediately resign. Our #1 rule @ VPR was going to be to protect the users and protect anyones personal information from being posted. Not only did something get posted but it was posted by an owner of the site who was already under scrutiny for running a terrible cash stake. This has since been taken down but it did not excuse it in my mind.
Add all of that above together and that is why I left. I hope all of the backers get their money returned but I am not sure if your money is still there. I have heard some people were not paid from the first set of payouts and have heard that others had payments delayed and bounced for many reasons. Our server also went down on VPR in late November and Jasep claimed he was broke but later said it was just a maxed credit card but I did have to ship him $16 on paypal to get it back up and running. I have heard some backers requested their money back last week but were told they had to wait till this week and still have not seen any of their money in hand. And to end last thursday I belive projekt sep was in the green again but payments were never sent. This thing has run for 30 days and 1 set of payments have gone out and not everyone was paid.
I have been staked at every WSOP I have played in for 3 years and I have ran several baps over the past 16 months and I know that if I was ever called out for burning money and not having the cash on hand the first thing I would do and I think any logical person would do is prove they had the money and not gathered all of my or their backers and taken a stake off the grid when it began on a public forum. That is an immediate sign of guilt and an immediate sign of someone trying to hide something/buy time or patch something up.
Hopefully everyone does get a refund and he either has or borrows the money somehow but from everything I have gathered it has more than likely has been spent elsewhere and possibly most of it even spent before this "Projekt" began. I do know that sponsorship money is due for close to 1000 so hopefully that goes to paying people back if the money is gone.
Also I would like to add that I paid 250 towards a job that totaled 750 worth of webwork. I got a text saying the job needed to be done the next day which was a tuesday in late november or the guy couldnt do it until the new year. Brandon didnt pitch in because he felt while the site was not profitable that more work was stupid and he was right. Ironically Jasep was going to foxwoods that week for some series. The work was never completed. i was given 2 diff dates it would be finished and it was never done. It was supposed to be some type of migration to filter the home page and the forum and make it so we didnt have to open the home page to get back from the forum. While there was some work done on the site this past week the work that was explained to me was never completed. Sep if your reading this can you show me a receipt or paypal transfer to this guy for 750 or show me a file with the work?
There is much more that will come out today.
:thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Anal_HershiserPutting my feelings of thinking he is a lying bag of shit aside, it isn't really possible for a guy like Jasep to take advantage of 4's and 5's. He's no more than a 3 or 4 himself. If anything, they probably took advantage of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
Random 5 girl- "You fucked that fat little greasy guy you met on the internet?"
Random 4 girl- "Yeah, but I was horny. Hope he doesn't call again."
If you are a 3 yourself, you can't take advantage of 4's and 5's. They are slumming it to be with you, not the other way around. There are guys on here who could take advantage of 4's and 5's. Johnny Curlytail isn't one of them.
I know my silence in regards to my departure from VPR as well as my silence regarding Jasep's BAP have left many wondering what was going on. I have received many messages via PM and other media networks and I apologize for the many I did not respond to. The reason for my silence up until now was because before I posted my thoughts and information I obtained, I had to be 100% without a doubt that I was correct. After consulting with Mark, Pikachar, Kevin, Joe U, and others and considering the dealings I personally had with Johnny, there is not a doubt in my mind about any of the factual information detailed in the this post.
I am battling through some nasty stomach bug at the moment. I haven't eaten much over the last 48 hours so I apologize in advance for grammatical errors and the fact this post may not be as cohesive as I had planned. The urgency of me posting this now is due to the fact I received a text at 530am pst alerting me to the fact that Jasep is actively trying to find investor i.e. have people send him money, for percentages of VPR, a completely worthless website.
Although there is many different parts to this story, I will begin with what I feel is the most important to the community and what has been debated now for weeks.
MY DEALINGS WITH JASEP AND THE BAP
Jasep, Kevin (the 3rd host from filthy limper radio) and myself starting making wagers with each other the last few months of 2012. With Kevin and I, it was only NFL football. With Johnny and I, it was mainly Chinese poker. I ended up owing Kevin 1k, which was the stop loss the 3 of us agreed to, and Johnny ended up losing $600 to me. I immediately paid Kevin through BAC. Johnny decided to call it a loss at $600 and we stopped betting. This also coincided with Johnny telling me for the first time he was having financial problems. I obviously would not have been wagering with him had I known the circumstances. Within a few days of us ceasing to wager, Johnny posted his BAP thread. I felt bad because I had no idea how dire his financial situation was, I had a very good year overall, so I decided to do something I never do. I told him to put the $600 he owed me into the stake. I then bought 9 more shares at $50 a pop so his BAP would sell out. He expressed gratitude and I thought it would avoid an embarrassing situation, in that he had no means to pay me. I had agreed to send him the $450 remaining dollars on the 30th or 31st of the month, as he was not playing until January 2nd.
Two weeks before he was set to begin playing his BAP, he texted me asking me for the $450 that day. This obviously surprised me. I asked him why he needed it over two weeks before he was due to play and he responded that he felt that him and his gf were on the outs (he had given me her BAC account to send the money to) and he was going to split once he got the money from her. This was really the beginning of the end for me. I just didn't believe him. After conferring with Mark, I told Johnny not to worry. I would send him the $ on paypal on the 30th or 31st. I didnt hear back from Johnny. Radio was on hiatus. It became apparent to me that he was pissed that I wouldn't send him the remaining shares I had purchased before the date I said I would. He sent me a few texts at the end of the month asking for the money, but by that time other things (will be detailed in this post) had come to my attention that gave me reason not to trust him, or his BAP. I told myself that at worst I was going to lose $600.
I was dismayed after the first week of the BAP when Johnny was up hundreds of dollars (don't know exact figure) and decided to go against his promise of paying backers every Thursday after radio. He missed a scheduled day that week and posted on Thursday he would send dividends out the following day. The next day (and I predicted this privately to China on the phone) he lost everything he made all week and was up $3, hence no dividends. I didn't text or contact Johnny in regards to how that was handled.
The following week, he claimed a profit for the week. He posted that investors would receive there divends on friday. I never received mine. I texted him late that night asking why I had yet to receive a payment. He said he had forgot and I would be sent it shortly. When I woke up the next morning a paypal ECHECK had been sent to me for roughly $37. I found this odd because I had never received an echeck in other paypal transactions with him prior and it stated it would take 3-5 days to clear. I didnt text Johnny on regards to this. Roughly 4-5 days later I got an email from paypal saying the echeck had bounced due to insufficient funds. I immediately texted Johnny. He replied by saying he had sent me an email earlier regarding this. He claimed via text that he had made a "clerical error" and accidentally sent my payment and the payment for two others to an inactive bank account. I checked my email and my spam box, yet could find no email. He later sent me a blurry screen shot of what looked like an email but I could not totally read it.
He told me he would paypal me the $37 from a week ago right now. That day went by and I didn't receive a payment. The next day went by and I didn't receive a payment. I finally texted him late on day 2 (roughly 12:30am pst) and told him I didn't appreciate being ignored and treated this way and that I wanted out of the stake. I told him to keep the $37 I had still yet to receive and should send me the $600 he owed me. He immediately sent me $37 (directly, no via echeck) and told me he would have the $600 for me no later than Tuesday January 29th at 6pm Vegas time. He explained that he need the 4 days (my request was made late Thursday night) to get money online.
On Tuesday January 29th at approximately 4:30 pm pst, I received this text.
The next day I texted him asking him if he was going to honor his word. He responded that he was at the police station (more on this later) and would send me $ within the hour. I ended up receiving the $600 later that day (wed the 30th) but LOL it was in the form of an echeck that would take 3-5 days to clear. I immediately texted Johnny asking him why he had me wait 5 days under the pretense that I was waiting for him to get money in the bank, only to send me an echeck. He never responded. I texted him again. No response. I knew the answer of course. To buy time. I have no expectation of this echeck clearing either next week.
Yesterday Wednesday Jan 30th, Kevin contacted me. He told me that JoeU (and investor and supporter of VPR) had told Johnny he was going to swing by Mohegan Sun and sweat him, after Johnny had indicated he would be playing there today. A short time after Johnny heard that JoeU was coming down to Mohegan, he texted him telling him not to. That he wasn't going to be playing today after all. That a threat of violence had been made against him. He then posted this statement on VPR.
***VERY IMPORTANT***
At 12:48 I received a very serious, very scary threat.. The threat contained information about my family, my girlfriend and the car I drove yesterday that is not in my name. The threat also claimed to have knowledge of where I park my car and there was a direct expression of violence. A family member received the same threat about a minute apart. We have both been in contact with the police and I have showed this to one of my investors who I trust the most with personal info and have known the longest. I am pulling the plug on all of this bullshit and taking the advice of my family and those close to me in real life.
No poker forum is worth any of this.
Every investor has $51.75 per share coming to them, over the next couple days I will coordinate 2 friends to accompany me to cash in my chips and to get all money in the bank and then online. I will then send out all shares accordingly. Everyone will receive all of their money within 7 days from today. Once every investor has received their refund I am going to step down from this website as well and close up shop. Maybe I am overreacting, and it is most likely some lunatic with a warped sense of humor, but my family/girlfriend who have been following this story are now genuinely scared and feel like I need to act on it.
I spoke with JoeU on the phone today and he confirmed everything Kevin had told me about the events that has just transpired.
WHO REALLY OWNS VPR???
I was contacted by Pikachar recently. He informed me of an agreement he had with Johnny, that Mark or myself knew nothing of. Before the inception of VPR, pikachar had sent Johnny a payment of $6,000 to purchase a 20% ownership role of filthy limper radio, that carried over into an ownership role on VPR! Pikichar will come into this thread and fill in the details because up until recently Mark and I had no idea of any arrangement/ownership stake besides Jasep/China and myself.
The irony in this is that during an episode of filthy limper radio a user in the chat indicated some sort of problem with the site. Pikachar responded my saying he would log into VPR's server and address it. Both China and I caught this. We waited a while and eventually China sent Johnny an email asking among other things what pikachars role was with VPR and why he had direct server access.
Johnny responded to Mark and I stating that Pikachar "had no affiliation with us"
The arrangement that Mark and I thought we were under is that we each owned 33.3%, which one exception. Johnny had informed Mark and I since day one and several times throughout the course of our partnership that Tim Byrd, the former host of filthy limper radio and part owner, did not want Johnny to buy him out when we started VPR so Johnny agreed to give Tim half of his 33.3%. I spoke with a close friend of Johnny's and Tim's, Kevin Wright regarding this and he stated adamantly that there was never any agreement with Tim involving a ownership role of VPR and Johnny was lying. Kevin also shockingly told me that Johnny had offered him a 20% ownership stake in filthylimper radio, which again was unknown for the entirety of our partnership to Mark or myself.
I was recently informed and it was confirmed that VPR has been using a server that costs $4.99 a month after Johnny had led both Mark and I to believe we were using a higher quality/higher cost server. In reality ALL RADIO BROADCASTS WERE BEING DONE THROUGH PIKICHARS SITE
We were under the impression we were paying close to $100 a month, when in actuality we were paying $4.95! Mark will go into more detail about this. This made a lot of sense considering Mark was suppose to handle the finances of VPR (per our agreement from day 1) and he was repeatedly rebuked or offered an excuse when he tried to gain access to such. It's obvious now the reason was so we would not know what are actual true monthly costs were.
China also was tricked into sending $ to Jasep at the spur of the moment when Jasep texted him saying that a programmer who works for Comedy Centrals website is willing to work on ours but he can only do it today and I need the money ASAP. Suffice to say, the work was never done. China can expand on this.
There a ton of little lies China and I caught him in during the last few months of our partnership. I will gladly go into details later or China feel free. I have been typing this for 2 + hours now and I need to rest. There certainly will be more added my this later.
There two more subjects I feel I need to address before I go.
People may ask, why would you get into a business with someone you didnt know/why didnt you stop the first time there was dishonesty.... The simple answer was at the time we felt there was no risk. China and I from the START did this only for fun and for the enjoyment of the community. Money was never made and we knew that going into it. We both feel sick to our stomachs that possibly our credibility as well as our participation with VPR enabled Jasep to harm and steal from the community.
Lastly, due to all these recent developments, myself, Mark and others have been asked about money that was handled through our 22q marathon podcast, which was one of the proudest things I ever did in my life. I was informed that out of the roughly $6500 raised, $3500 went directly to 22q and the remaining 3k was handled and sent to Jasep, who had agreed to send that amount to 22q directly. Due to all that has gone one and to end speculation regarding this, Jasep please post publically a picture of the check that was sent to 22q.
BOOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
Jasep rolled the 22q foundation. I'd bet my life on it.
That is a serious federal offense. Ruh ROHHHHHHHH
I Think all the trolls who hammered me when i called this POS out a year ago should now say that 4BET is pretty Sharp, This was a great read by me, From the minute i met jasep at palm beach kennel club i knew he was a fraud, dirt bag etc. I make a living with my reads and i seen right though this lowlife, Now remember next time all you haters, trolls, moron's Don't every question 4bet reads
Someone wake Anonamouse and tell him Jasep is getting bad mouthed again.
Anonamouse has once again chosen the wrong party to back. No wonder he lives in China.
Who's going to win the SuperBowl Anonamouse?
Never trust anyone who sells away their Apple products in mint condition
I always believed in you. I did. I was the lone wolf, but I always believed you were correct and Jasep was a schemer.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4BET
What I am trying to reconcile is Six Toes. He basically broke the story and brought it to attention. I get the fact he is banned for life and rightfully so, but he needs to be exonerated on this scandal.
I could tell by your post that you did not join "TEAM SEP" but you are one of very few who didn't fall into the trap, I also agree free STPQuote:
Originally Posted by The_PHAI always believed in you. I did. I was the lone wolf, but I always believed you were correct and Jasep was a schemer.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4BET
What I am trying to reconcile is Six Toes. He basically broke the story and brought it to attention. I get the fact he is banned for life and rightfully so, but he needs to be exonerated on this scandal.
I actually just found the payment I sent for the web work. I sent $250 on paypal to Jasep on October 15th which was 3.5 months ago. The web work that was described to me has never been completed or worked on for all I know.
Also I can't pull up exact dates on Jaseps November MTT package because he tore down all of the forums on VPR (what a shocker). But I can tell you that the weekend of November 24th he sent Drexel a message stating that he had just lost his ass playing 20-40 and 40-80 stud and then shot off a bunch playing paii gow and then busted on a "hail mary" playing video poker.
I think this was roughly the same time he was supposed to be playing guaranteed MTTS and he didn't update for a week and when hockey guy or someone else bumped the thread he said he would do some makeup MTTS in nightlys because he was sick or something. He claimed to have cashed for a little profit total but I am doubting this because this was the same time frame he shot off all of this money playing degen pit games. Now he may have cashed and shot if off or made up the figure and rolled it over but I can never be sure. The bottom line is these nightlys are not verifiable and live cash is not verifiable either.
December 7th I had to send him $16 on paypal to get the forum back up because his card /and or paypal was declined and he said he was broke to Brandon. I was under the impression he rolled a bunch of guys over from the previous bap so how could he not have had $16??? Unless he paid everyone back. I am not sure of how you guys arrangements worked.
December 12th I bought BCP off him, his 200bcp for my 192 paypal . His stake was supposed to play some cash games online so why did he want to cash out? And better yet if a guy is close to broke why wait another month before putting yourself in action. I know if I was nearing broke and I have teetered those lines at times where I was getting close to where I knew I had to ramp up the volume and get serious I sat my ass in my office chair and focused on beating the games 40-50 evn 60 to 70 hr weeks sometimes so I could continue playing poker for a living.
Also Brandon has told me when Jasep said on the air his cash was depleted he had told Brandon only a few months before that he had a $40,000 working roll. Where did that money go? Better yet if he had a $40,000 working roll at end of Summer or early fall why did he try and get me to loan him for a week or 2 1k-1500 before we went into business at a high interest rate. (he also asked me to propose this deal to others)
he also told me he secured a $20,000 loan to sue micon for defamtion of character of something. Where did that 20,000 go or was it just a lie or never secured?
Someone should be researching his BAP about the Borgata Summer Open(I think?) Where he collected a bunch of money from here.
Find out if he even played the events etc.
LOL @ jasep needing 16.00, Tell me china this did raise a red flag with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
http://i.imgur.com/x5lrKzr.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Jasep
H..O..L..Y S..H..I..T!!!!!
Explains why Druff let this thread go on, he knew what was coming!
Sure it did, it was really the second one after the web work one but wasn't enough for me to call him out publicly. The web work kept getting stalled with excuses. The bounced credit card could happen to anyone but it just added a piece to the puzzle that grewQuote:
Originally Posted by 4BETLOL @ jasep needing 16.00, Tell me china this did raise a red flag with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
Good read DoDo! If what china says is true, shooting off all his money in pai gow and video poker, than it's beyond me that he paid me back WITH a profit. I guess I was one of the only ones that requested the money, all others invested the 'winnings' in his next BAP?Quote:
Originally Posted by DutchDoDoThis is the only reason I passed for this "project". I participated in a few of his tournament bap's and the whole thing just felt wrong in my humble opinion. Did I get paid? Yup. With a profit? Yup. Happy? Nope. Im not sure what the rules are in the backing world, but in my book, If you post the schedule for the tournaments you are going to play as part of the package (all with big guarantees) I think you owe it to your backers that these are the tourneys you will be playing. I lost track of all the reasons he gave us for not being able to play an event that was on the schedule, but to have them replaced with regular daily's that can not be tracked I thought at the time was " a little bit off" at least. The only reason I 'invested' was the potential of the big guarantees, not have a guy I don't know at all, play small local tourneys instead that were NOT part of the schedule. In the end it went something like this , 'hey I did not play in event 1, 3 and 4 as scheduled but I chopped the daily xx for 1k...' I'm not saying at all he is a scammer and in his communications he has always been a nice guy, but I personally will not invest in him again. If i buy a piece of someone for a 100k guarantee tourney I don't expect anything exept that you play it or in case of an emergency ship back my piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2outer