How many Trump supporters do you think will kill themselves by injecting clorox, drano or other poisons?
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How many Trump supporters do you think will kill themselves by injecting clorox, drano or other poisons?
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I'm part of a union, not by choice but because I had to be part of it to work there.Quote:
Originally Posted by sah_24
No they share your productivity with shitty workers which you admitted a second ago lol. Thanks for making my argument for me tho <3Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
They do protect shitty workers. End of story.
edit: I'm not saying unions are useless but they do protect shitty workers.
SAH shouldn't even be acknowledged.
What is the use of arguing w/him?
He is wrong about pretty much everything,
then twists everyones words and acts like they confirm what he said,
and somehow he is smart and you are dumb.
If we do a special Corona virus Deadpool edition, I want SAH and Tgull,
F'ing couple of morons. And then Roseanne and James Woods.
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Originally Posted by sah_24No they are not the same proven by the state mandate in the article I linked. You are a stupid fucker, who thinks he is smart ...Quote:
Originally Posted by gauchojake
To be fair though you’ve turned into this sites version of Sah on the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415SAH shouldn't even be acknowledged.
What is the use of arguing w/him?
He is wrong about pretty much everything,
then twists everyones words and acts like they confirm what he said,
and somehow he is smart and you are dumb.
If we do a special Corona virus Deadpool edition, I want SAH and Tgull,
F'ing couple of morons. And then Roseanne and James Woods.
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Originally Posted by sah_24
And Sah, reguardless of how you feel about his content, knows how to use the quote function properly. So he’s got that going for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheesfacedTo be fair though you’ve turned into this sites version of Sah on the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415
"Trump didn't invent any of this," Jill Filipovic observed. "A Republican Party that sowed distrust in science because the reality of climate change was financially inconvenient for fossil fuel companies, and determined that conservative, patriarchal Christian morality should take precedence over public health in how we teach our kids about sex and the human body, is exactly what brought us Trump in the first place," Filipovic wrote.
That is clearly an ideologue that is only talking about the part of the picture that is convenient to his narrative. Trump didn't run on a platform of Christian morality at all and climate change denialism was a tiny part of it. Trump ran mainly as a (clearly fake) populist who was going to clean up the swamp of corporate and special interest cronyism that had clearly infected our political class on both sides of the aisle. And also leaned heavily on xenophobic nativist rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Bernie Sanders made two serious runs at the Presidency form the left with "clean the swamp" anti corruption rhetoric. AOC has developed a strong populist following from the left with a similar message.
The clear corruption and pandering to corporations and special interests on both sides of the political aisle is just as much a part of the recipe that created Trump as Republican science denialism.
I know better than to engage certain posters here, but sometimes I feel like trying to help people see what's actually going on in healthcare. I stopped after the argument he was having in his head had nothing to do with what I posted. The ad hominem attack just confirmed what I knew in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415SAH shouldn't even be acknowledged.
What is the use of arguing w/him?
He is wrong about pretty much everything,
then twists everyones words and acts like they confirm what he said,
and somehow he is smart and you are dumb.
If we do a special Corona virus Deadpool edition, I want SAH and Tgull,
F'ing couple of morons. And then Roseanne and James Woods.
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Originally Posted by sah_24
They do for sure but they protect the good ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey GuyI'm part of a union, not by choice but because I had to be part of it to work there.Quote:
Originally Posted by sah_24
They do protect shitty workers. End of story.
edit: I'm not saying unions are useless but they do protect shitty workers.
I know you bust your ass and also are very skilled so don't take what im saying the wrong way.
You make a very nice living with great benefits correct? Do you think you would be making that without union protection? How about safety?
I can recall numerous times where I had someone try telling me to go do something that was very unsafe but I was in a position to tell him to go fuck himself and not do it. I was able to tell him to go fuck himself because I was protected by the union. I did lot's of high work and I was fine with that but it had to be safe. These assholes would send you up in 60mph winds if they could get away with it.
I've seen multiple men killed on the job. I've seen guy get his back broken. I've seen a guy get his finger cut off. I've seen a get his neck broken.I saw a lot of fucked up shit happen. Without union protction I would have seen a whole hell of a lot more.
I'm a good ironworker and a hard worker but I know for a fact I wouldn't have made nearly as much money as I did without the union.
And let me be clear I fucking hate the slugs(lazy fucks) but we dealt with them in house.
sorry for derailing an important thread
Without Unions we also couldn't have 4-5, 15 minute breaks and 1 hr mandatory lunch as well, or guys getting paid $20 hr to push a broomQuote:
Originally Posted by big dickThey do for sure but they protect the good ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
I know you bust your ass and also are very skilled so don't take what im saying the wrong way.
You make a very nice living with great benefits correct? Do you think you would be making that without union protection? How about safety?
I can recall numerous times where I had someone try telling me to go do something that was very unsafe but I was in a position to tell him to go fuck himself and not do it. I was able to tell him to go fuck himself because I was protected by the union. I did lot's of high work and I was fine with that but it had to be safe. These assholes would send you up in 60mph winds if they could get away with it.
I've seen multiple men killed on the job. I've seen guy get his back broken. I've seen a guy get his finger cut off. I've seen a get his neck broken.I saw a lot of fucked up shit happen. Without union protction I would have seen a whole hell of a lot more.
I'm a good ironworker and a hard worker but I know for a fact I wouldn't have made nearly as much money as I did without the union.
And let me be clear I fucking hate the slugs(lazy fucks) but we dealt with them in house.
sorry for derailing an important thread
Would Druff give up eating dead animals (beef, pork and chicken) to save the world?
He wouldn't do it for climate change.
Would he do it to avoid the next pandemic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OoT2OZWCOI
Hopefully a lot of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
So fucking this. Been saying it for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Unions are what made the American middle class. They're a blunt instrument but sometimes you have to take the negatives with the positives.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickThey do for sure but they protect the good ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
I know you bust your ass and also are very skilled so don't take what im saying the wrong way.
You make a very nice living with great benefits correct? Do you think you would be making that without union protection? How about safety?
I can recall numerous times where I had someone try telling me to go do something that was very unsafe but I was in a position to tell him to go fuck himself and not do it. I was able to tell him to go fuck himself because I was protected by the union. I did lot's of high work and I was fine with that but it had to be safe. These assholes would send you up in 60mph winds if they could get away with it.
I've seen multiple men killed on the job. I've seen guy get his back broken. I've seen a guy get his finger cut off. I've seen a get his neck broken.I saw a lot of fucked up shit happen. Without union protction I would have seen a whole hell of a lot more.
I'm a good ironworker and a hard worker but I know for a fact I wouldn't have made nearly as much money as I did without the union.
And let me be clear I fucking hate the slugs(lazy fucks) but we dealt with them in house.
sorry for derailing an important thread
Hockey Guy I believe is in Canada so just because of that he'll be better off than an American doing the same work. No other industrialized country allows companies to treat workers they way they do in the USA.
My benefit package & wages at my last job(non-union) was actually way better than this one but that was an oilpatch job so they are not really comparable. Still, my benefit package & job stability are the most important reason I took the job & I'm not saying I hate my job at all. I took well over a 50% paycut so I had a stable job close to home that had decent benefits. After working for 14 years away from home, money came 3rd in importance although I still make just decent money instead of obscene.Quote:
Originally Posted by OSAWithout Unions we also couldn't have 4-5, 15 minute breaks and 1 hr mandatory lunch as well, or guys getting paid $20 hr to push a broomQuote:
Originally Posted by big dick
It actually amazes me how bad some worker's attitude about stuff is because this is my first union job. I've had discussions & had guys straight up admit they'd never make the money they're making with their level of education anywhere else close to home. I've also tried to impress on new hires how lucky they were to be working there but they don't listen & most of them are let go before their 3 month probation period ends because they treat the job like it's MacDonalds or something. It's pretty sad.
You're also correct about the safety thing. The union is good for insuring that & having your back.
As for OSA, I must be in a shitty union because we only get 2 paid 15 minute coffee breaks & only .5 hours for lunch, unpaid. We got these every place I've ever worked, union or not.
Greediest country on earth so it's no big shockerQuote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakUnions are what made the American middle class. They're a blunt instrument but sometimes you have to take the negatives with the positives.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
Hockey Guy I believe is in Canada so just because of that he'll be better off than an American doing the same work. No other industrialized country allows companies to treat workers they way they do in the USA.
You get it which is nice to see.
Lot's of people can't seem to figure simple things like this out on their own.
56k+ dead.
Trump:
Surprised to hear that you made more when working non union. Zero chance any non union ironworker here in the u.s is making more than local 1 ironworkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey GuyMy benefit package & wages at my last job(non-union) was actually way better than this one but that was an oilpatch job so they are not really comparable. Still, my benefit package & job stability are the most important reason I took the job & I'm not saying I hate my job at all. I took well over a 50% paycut so I had a stable job close to home that had decent benefits. After working for 14 years away from home, money came 3rd in importance although I still make just decent money instead of obscene.Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
It actually amazes me how bad some worker's attitude about stuff is because this is my first union job. I've had discussions & had guys straight up admit they'd never make the money they're making with their level of education anywhere else close to home. I've also tried to impress on new hires how lucky they were to be working there but they don't listen & most of them are let go before their 3 month probation period ends because they treat the job like it's MacDonalds or something. It's pretty sad.
You're also correct about the safety thing. The union is good for insuring that & having your back.
As for OSA, I must be in a shitty union because we only get 2 paid 15 minute coffee breaks & only .5 hours for lunch, unpaid. We got these every place I've ever worked, union or not.
I have a seen a lot of guys start the apprenticeship and quit a week or two into it.
It's tough work and in all honestly most people just can't handle that type of work.I never shamed anyone for quitting, it's hard and dangerous and some people just aren't cut out for that regardless of how much they are being paid. We worked in the heat and the cold and then on top of that you have the physical aspect + the health risks.
As far as breaks go we get one 15 minute break in between start time and lunch but it would usually be 20 mins or so depending on who you're working for and what's going on that day.
45 minute unpaid lunch.
No holiday pay no sick days.
There are 100's of different contractors who are signatory with local 1 which is a good thing.
lol DEMONRATS, trump was OBVIOUSLY being sarcastic when he misspelled nobel and also when he confused a nobel prize with a pulitzer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
wuhan reports 0 hospitalizations currently.
interesting!
I stopped reading at "Wuhan reports."Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
That's great news.
The possibility of being able to get the virus multiple times is pretty disturbing.
Oil patch jobs tend to more dangerous AND require workers to live in godforsaken wilderness away from their families for extended periods of time. As such, it takes higher pay/better benefits to attract decent workers to make those sacrifices.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickSurprised to hear that you made more when working non union. Zero chance any non union ironworker here in the u.s is making more than local 1 ironworkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
I have a seen a lot of guys start the apprenticeship and quit a week or two into it.
It's tough work and in all honestly most people just can't handle that type of work.I never shamed anyone for quitting, it's hard and dangerous and some people just aren't cut out for that regardless of how much they are being paid. We worked in the heat and the cold and then on top of that you have the physical aspect + the health risks.
As far as breaks go we get one 15 minute break in between start time and lunch but it would usually be 20 mins or so depending on who you're working for and what's going on that day.
45 minute unpaid lunch.
No holiday pay no sick days.
There are 100's of different contractors who are signatory with local 1 which is a good thing.
You must have missed where I said the last job was in the oilfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickSurprised to hear that you made more when working non union. Zero chance any non union ironworker here in the u.s is making more than local 1 ironworkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
I have a seen a lot of guys start the apprenticeship and quit a week or two into it.
It's tough work and in all honestly most people just can't handle that type of work.I never shamed anyone for quitting, it's hard and dangerous and some people just aren't cut out for that regardless of how much they are being paid. We worked in the heat and the cold and then on top of that you have the physical aspect + the health risks.
As far as breaks go we get one 15 minute break in between start time and lunch but it would usually be 20 mins or so depending on who you're working for and what's going on that day.
45 minute unpaid lunch.
No holiday pay no sick days.
There are 100's of different contractors who are signatory with local 1 which is a good thing.
I made a conscious decision to get out of the oilpatch & take a job a lot more stable that's not oil related.
Looks like a smart move right about now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey GuyYou must have missed where I said the last job was in the oilfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
I made a conscious decision to get out of the oilpatch & take a job a lot more stable that's not oil related.
I'm okay with it although I could have fully retired if I had stayed & worked until now which would have been fairly likely if I had wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakLooks like a smart move right about now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
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Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by big dick
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Originally Posted by Walter SobchakI stopped reading at "Wuhan reports."Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
small dick is on such massive tilt, look how ridiculous he looks next to PFA's newest libtard superstar
Hey, folks! Thank goodness that Trump’s appointees continue to do such a bang-up job emulating Trump in their effective response to the coronavirus crisis, amirite?
USDA let millions of pounds of food rot while food-bank demand soared
State officials and growers say Trump’s Agriculture Department has been woefully slow to respond to farm crisis caused by coronavirus.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...e-usda-207215?
Vanity FairQuote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
November 2017
Michael Lewis
Cliffs:
No one shows up at the Dept of Agriculture from the Trump administration to transition from Obama. What was initially just stupidity has grown to have tremendous consequences.
I am guilty of just appreciating the Fifth Risk as an indictment of Trump but now I’m fucking angry.
Oh, yeah, find me Druff’s post where he dismisses much of the food lines as people just looking for free shit. An exercise in projection if there ever was one.
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To prepare for the transition after the 2016 election the U.S.D.A.’s staff had created elaborate briefings for the incoming Trump administration. Their written material alone came to 2,300 pages, in 13 volumes. A lot of people who work in the Department of Agriculture grew up on or around farms. They like to think of the Department of Agriculture as a nice, down-to-earth bureaucracy. They consider themselves more bipartisan, and less ideological, than people at the other federal agencies. “Our plan was to be as hospitable as possible,” said one of the transition planners. “We made sure the office space was gorgeous.”
To make the Trump people feel at home the U.S.D.A. people had set aside the nicest rooms on the top floor of the nicest building, with the nicest view of the National Mall. They had fished out of storage the most beautiful photographs from the U.S.D.A.’s impressive collection and hung them on the walls. They had brought in computers and office supplies, and organized a bunch of new workstations. When they heard that Joel Leftwich, the guy Trump wanted to lead his U.S.D.A. transition team, had been a lobbyist for PepsiCo, they brought in a mini-fridge stocked with Pepsis. That was just the way they were at the U.S.D.A. They didn’t think: How the fuck can people paid to push sugary drinks on American kids be let anywhere near the federal department with the most influence on what American kids eat? Instead they thought: I hear he’s a nice guy!
No one showed up that first day after the election, or the next. This was strange: the day after he was elected, Obama had sent his people into the U.S.D.A., as had Bush. At the end of the second day the folks at the Department of Agriculture called the White House to ask what was going on. “The White House said they’d be here Monday,” recalled one. On Monday morning they worked themselves up all over again into a welcoming spirit. Again, no one showed. Not that entire week. On November 22, Leftwich made a cameo appearance for about an hour. “We had thought, Rural America is who got Trump elected, so he’ll have to make us a priority,” said the transition planner, “but then nothing happened.”
I don't have to find you that post. I will say it again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Even in times of non-crisis, Americans will stand in hours-long lines for free shit worth less than $100, and often worth less than $50.
Radio station promos for free/cheap gas are a good example, but there are many others.
It is impossible to infer anything from "omg look at this hours-long line to get a $30 free food voucher".
100% that line would be super long in November 2019, if this free $30 voucher was well publicized in the area. If you doubt this, you don't understand modern America.
It's also not projecting. I am 1000% against dumb shit like this. People will do it to get something free worth $30, but won't take a few minutes to comparison shop and save hundreds or thousands on a much larger purchase, and won't do the slightest bit of googling when some too-good-to-be-true scammy deal is advertised on the internet. Ultimate case of penny wise and pound foolish.
Whenever they have store openings, or when Taco Bell gives out free tacos, there are big lines as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI don't have to find you that post. I will say it again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Even in times of non-crisis, Americans will stand in hours-long lines for free shit worth less than $100, and often worth less than $50.
Radio station promos for free/cheap gas are a good example, but there are many others.
It is impossible to infer anything from "omg look at this hours-long line to get a $30 free food voucher".
100% that line would be super long in November 2019, if this free $30 voucher was well publicized in the area. If you doubt this, you don't understand modern America.
It's also not projecting. I am 1000% against dumb shit like this. People will do it to get something free worth $30, but won't take a few minutes to comparison shop and save hundreds or thousands on a much larger purchase, and won't do the slightest bit of googling when some too-good-to-be-true scammy deal is advertised on the internet. Ultimate case of penny wise and pound foolish.
One might point out the ethnicity of said individuals, but one will pass.
The US will surpass 55k deaths today, but Trump, he is the real victim.
I don't get how anyone can say he is doing a good job when he has the most deaths of any country
and/or that he works so hard that they are afraid he isn't eating enough. LOL.
Even Tgull, w/all his health tips, has to laugh at that one.
Watching cable TV does not constitute working, and if he wasn't doing that, he wouldn't be tweeting this.
The latest round of antibody tests indicates nearly 1 in 4 NYC tests for the antibodies came back positive or 24.7%
Those damn germy New Yorkers! Don’t come to God’s country-in-the-Mid-Atlantic (Pennsylvania)! ‘Cause the “real Americans” there are gonna quarantine yer ass for a fortnight. And I ain’t talkin’ about the online adventure game!Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by sonatine
i think NYC had the lowest amount of deaths in a while too
So we shut down the entire US economy for 50,000 deaths when millions have no symptoms. That makes tremendous sense. We should have done the same thing in 2018 when the flu killed 80,000 in the US. In fact we should just close down everything for good. It's a God given right that everyone should live until 90.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Just be grateful for the job security you have that many of us don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullSo we shut down the entire US economy for 50,000 deaths when millions have no symptoms. That makes tremendous sense. We should have done the same thing in 2018 when the flu killed 80,000 in the US. In fact we should just close down everything for good. It's a God given right that everyone should live until 90.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
People aren't going to all of a sudden decide to not shitting; in fact there's probably even more work to be had given the added strain on home plumbing.
Little gratitude. Ok?
The lockdown is mostly a precaution to avoid people from getting and spreading the infection.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullSo we shut down the entire US economy for 50,000 deaths when millions have no symptoms. That makes tremendous sense. We should have done the same thing in 2018 when the flu killed 80,000 in the US. In fact we should just close down everything for good. It's a God given right that everyone should live until 90.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
This is not the fucking flu.
The swine flu and H1N1 did not rise to the level of a pandemic because they were contained well before that and it was not in every single country.
Donald Trump had a chance to try and contain this but decided to do nothing instead.
It is Trump's fault that everything had to be shutdown.
His incompetence is beyond belief.
If you vote for Trump again, then you deserve to get the coronavirus.
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