Cueto signs with the Giants. 6 year, $130M.
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Cueto signs with the Giants. 6 year, $130M.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb...s-130-million/
3-way trade involving Dodgers, Reds, and White Sox:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...rade-with-reds
White Sox: Acquire Frazier; trade away RHP Frankie Montas, 2B Micah Johnson, OF Trayce Thompson.
Dodgers: Acquire Montas, Johnson and Thompson; trade away 2B Jose Peraza, OF Scott Schebler, IF/OF Brandon Dixon.
Reds: Acquire Peraza, Schebler, Dixon; trade away Frazier.
Not a huge deal, obviously, but the most notable is Frazier moving over to Chicago.
The key player acquired by the Dodgers is Montas, who throws a lot of Ks and pitched well last year at AA. Thompson is actually Klay Thompson's brother, and hit well during his 122 AB last year, but he isn't projected to be a force at the plate.
The key player acquired by the Reds is Peraza. He has some similarities to Dee Gordon -- blazing speed, high average, good defense, but doesn't walk or hit for power.
The one problem for the Dodgers is that they really have nothing going on at 2B right now. Kendrick is a free agent, Utley was re-signed but is no longer good enough to start, and now Peraza has been shipped to the Reds. Recently acquired Micah Johnson will not be the solution.
Don't forget you need to replace Greinke's 19-3 record and 1.66 ERA. Likely takes you from the division winner to a wild card hopeful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Giants are significantly better at this point. Good luck Druff, I think you're fucked. Have fun spending $200 million plus and not even making the playoffsQuote:
Originally Posted by simpdogDon't forget you need to replace Greinke's 19-3 record and 1.66 ERA. Likely takes you from the division winner to a wild card hopeful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The way the Dodgers look right now, they're a .500 ballclub.
But there's still plenty of time between now and April.
Nice trade for the white sox, thats a pretty small package they gave up for Frazier. I first saw the headline of the 3 team swap, and assumed Frazier was going to the Dodgers. Friedman must really like Montas, I assumed Peraza would eventually be used as a big piece in a move for a SP.
No one is going to replace Grienke's numbers from last year, not even Grienke himself. The Dodgers signing of Iwakuma kind of slipped under the radar, but he can step in as a decent #2, as he was for years in SEA behind Felix. I like Wood more than most people do, if he puts up numbers closer to his 2014 he's fine as a 3. Perhaps Friedman is happy with Kershaw, those 2, Anderson, Bolsinger/Urias when ready.
National league might be even more top and bottom heavy this year. Cubs, pirates, cardinals, mets, dodgers, dbacks, and giants might be 7 of the top 10 teams in baseball. brewers, braves, phillies, rockies, reds might actually be the 5 worst teams in all of baseball.
When you put the Dodgers in the top 10 list, it's impossible to take anything else you say seriously. Fellating Druffs ego not necessary fagQuote:
Originally Posted by gut
Obviously, no need to rank teams in December, but I'll wager the Dodgers finish with a top ten record in baseball. They are going to make some moves.
It's a long ass time away, so no need to bet $$$. You wanna bet a one month posting ban?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
Don't do that cus you both make me lol and then i lose
Just bet some cash
Pick avatar for a month?Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22It's a long ass time away, so no need to bet $$$. You wanna bet a one month posting ban?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
BookedQuote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOvenPick avatar for a month?Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
Scott 'Stock' Matusow had an interesting Twitter meltdown once the news was announced that Johnny Cueto signed with the San Fransisco Giants. https://twitter.com/scottmatusow
Name 4 AL teams that should be above the Dodgers right now. Lets remember that, despite the fact that a lot of the offseason is left, there is no one in the AL in full rebuild mode right now. Every AL team might fall in-between 70-90 wins this coming season, while the NL beats up on all the tearing down teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22When you put the Dodgers in the top 10 list, it's impossible to take anything else you say seriously. Fellating Druffs ego not necessary fagQuote:
Originally Posted by gut
....or go ahead and keep acting smart cause you had the misfortune of being born in Kansas City and you have your one moment to sound smart for your homerism.
Depending on if the Rays and A's start moving guys out, I think this is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutName 4 AL teams that should be above the Dodgers right now. Lets remember that, despite the fact that a lot of the offseason is left, there is no one in the AL in full rebuild mode right now. Every AL team might fall in-between 70-90 wins this coming season, while the NL beats up on all the tearing down teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
....or go ahead and keep acting smart cause you had the misfortune of being born in Kansas City and you have your one moment to sound smart for your homerism.
I would guess the Dodgers win 75 games next year.
Not only are the Giants and Diamondbacks better they happen to draw the AL East in Interleague and their protected rival is the Angels.
They would need significant signings at this point to not be a sub-500 team.
I was thinking that as well, but even then most of the highly desirable assets on both those teams are young and controllable. It would take a monster offer to acquire a Sonny Gray or Chris Archer. I suppose Longoria or Reddick could be moved this year if either of those teams choose to go that way, but they are already relatively young teams. I think Beane is the most overrated GM in the game now, still collecting the "Moneyball" respect. he absolutely blew the Donaldson trade, and the Addison Russell for Smardijajajaja was fucking horrible. So who knows what he will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOvenDepending on if the Rays and A's start moving guys out, I think this is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
RoyalsQuote:
Originally Posted by gutName 4 AL teams that should be above the Dodgers right now. Lets remember that, despite the fact that a lot of the offseason is left, there is no one in the AL in full rebuild mode right now. Every AL team might fall in-between 70-90 wins this coming season, while the NL beats up on all the tearing down teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
....or go ahead and keep acting smart cause you had the misfortune of being born in Kansas City and you have your one moment to sound smart for your homerism.
Blue Jays
Rangers
Astros
Those are easy. Then I'd easily debate Yankees, Angels, and dark horse Minnesota and Baltimore.
Before your rebuttable please remember LAD just lost Grienke to a division rival. Giants have only gotten better. Between AZ and SF, and losing Grienke it's not hard to see a .500 Dodgers team.
Look again. The AL east is probably the worst AL division. Rays, Yanks, O's are all worse than 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
East won 16 games more than the west this year. That's a big gap to make upQuote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOvenLook again. The AL east is probably the worst AL division. Rays, Yanks, O's are all worse than 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
...and the Angels aren't anything special either. The Tigers and them, IMO, should just blow it up and rebuild. The owners don't want to though, so we're looking at the next two phillies 2010-2014 in the making. At least the Angels have Trout.....Detroits future looks quite dim, and Cabrera might hit untradeable status in a couple years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOvenLook again. The AL east is probably the worst AL division. Rays, Yanks, O's are all worse than 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
I wouldn't have been that upset if the Tigers went into a rebuild, but they are certainly capable of making a run. 86 wins gets you to the playoffs in the AL in 2015, so it's tough to go into a rebuild. I think any team with money and a decent chance is going to forgo rebuilding with two WC spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut...and the Angels aren't anything special either. The Tigers and them, IMO, should just blow it up and rebuild. The owners don't want to though, so we're looking at the next two phillies 2010-2014 in the making. At least the Angels have Trout.....Detroits future looks quite dim, and Cabrera might hit untradeable status in a couple years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
Dodgers had the 4th easiest schedule in baseball last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut...and the Angels aren't anything special either. The Tigers and them, IMO, should just blow it up and rebuild. The owners don't want to though, so we're looking at the next two phillies 2010-2014 in the making. At least the Angels have Trout.....Detroits future looks quite dim, and Cabrera might hit untradeable status in a couple years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
That schedule will get significantly tougher.
Also the Yankees get pitching back and a fat guy playing for a contract.
Here let's make this simple.
What amount are you willing to wager the Dodgers win at least 90 games this year?
Agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83Dodgers had the 4th easiest schedule in baseball last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
That schedule will get significantly tougher.
Also the Yankees get pitching back and a fat guy playing for a contract.
Here let's make this simple.
What amount are you willing to wager the Dodgers win at least 90 games this year?
Win 90 games I'd bet it at +700 or better but nothing less.
Royals and BJ have lost most of their trade deadline acquisitions. Go on....Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22RoyalsQuote:
Originally Posted by gut
Blue Jays
Rangers
Astros
Those are easy. Then I'd easily debate Yankees, Angels, and dark horse Minnesota and Baltimore.
Before your rebuttable please remember LAD just lost Grienke to a division rival. Giants have only gotten better. Between AZ and SF, and losing Grienke it's not hard to see a .500 Dodgers team.
:denied
oh and also, as a Twins fan, I fucking love the Royals so far this offseason......hey lets let both of the trade deadline guys leave, and then we'll sign.....ugh....Joakim Soria again!!! Solid move. Twins win the division next year, unless the Sox get some decent 4-5 starters.
You do realize the Royals were one of the best teams in baseball before the deadline right?Quote:
Originally Posted by gutRoyals and BJ have lost most of their trade deadline acquisitions. Go on....Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
:denied
You realize you are now trending down right?Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22You do realize the Royals were one of the best teams in baseball before the deadline right?Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
I don't understand what you are saying about the Yankees? They get pitching back? What does that mean? The Yankees are not good right now. Is the fat guy CC? You think he's going to be a factor? I just don't see a scenario where the Yankees are competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83Dodgers had the 4th easiest schedule in baseball last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
That schedule will get significantly tougher.
Also the Yankees get pitching back and a fat guy playing for a contract.
Here let's make this simple.
What amount are you willing to wager the Dodgers win at least 90 games this year?
Of course that's an easy argument to make. We are the defending champs off back to back WS appearances. There's no where to go but down.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutYou realize you are now trending down right?Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
Fact is you have no idea about our roster construction. Tell me which core pieces are different and/or worse from the last two years? You know, the very successful last two years
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Originally Posted by jsearles22Of course that's an easy argument to make. We are the defending champs off back to back WS appearances. There's no where to go but down.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
Fact is you have no idea about our roster construction. Tell me which core pieces are different and/or worse from the last two years? You know, the very successful last two years
don't have to say anything here....you proved my point already. GJ Kid
You might be full blown retard eh? You think I proved your point by acknowledging KC is unlikely mathematically to win back to back WS, because teams do that all the time right? Doesn't mean we aren't top 10 in baseball, unlike the Dodgers, which is really the foundation of this recent debate to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutQuote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
don't have to say anything here....you proved my point already. GJ Kid
Please try to keep up
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22You might be full blown retard eh? You think I proved your point by acknowledging KC is unlikely mathematically to win back to back WS, because teams do that all the time right? Doesn't mean we aren't top 10 in baseball, unlike the Dodgers, which is really the foundation of this recent debate to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
Please try to keep up
So ANYWAY, ignoring the retard here in the thread.....4 AL teams better than the dodgers right now? Fuck I might even include the Nats in that top 10, then only 3 AL teams needed. Right now, it's looking like last season x2....AL will be fun to watch.
Unless youre sizzle and gets sad when his team goes 78-84 and goes back to their rightful place.
Wanna put your money where your mouth is?Quote:
Originally Posted by gutQuote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
So ANYWAY, ignoring the retard here in the thread.....4 AL teams better than the dodgers right now? Fuck I might even include the Nats in that top 10, then only 3 AL teams needed. Right now, it's looking like last season x2....AL will be fun to watch.
Unless youre sizzle and gets sad when his team goes 78-84 and goes back to their rightful place.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22It's a long ass time away, so no need to bet $$$. You wanna bet a one month posting ban?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
say what??????
Hopefully they get Tanaka for a full season finally and CC is playing for the Yankees to pick up his giant contract the next couple years. Already reports that he has been working out significantly this off season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOvenI don't understand what you are saying about the Yankees? They get pitching back? What does that mean? The Yankees are not good right now. Is the fat guy CC? You think he's going to be a factor? I just don't see a scenario where the Yankees are competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
Plus they picked up Castro who will hit better in the AL and maybe the Yankees can convince him to not be a dead pull hitter all the time now and go back to when he was more successful as a gap hitter.
The Dodgers lineup is very average and was protected 65 times by two of the best pitchers in baseball. Now you only get 32/33 starts of protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutQuote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22
So ANYWAY, ignoring the retard here in the thread.....4 AL teams better than the dodgers right now? Fuck I might even include the Nats in that top 10, then only 3 AL teams needed. Right now, it's looking like last season x2....AL will be fun to watch.
Unless youre sizzle and gets sad when his team goes 78-84 and goes back to their rightful place.
If you really believe the Dodgers are going to be good next year, you are in for a lonnnnng years.
Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83The Dodgers lineup is very average and was protected 65 times by two of the best pitchers in baseball. Now you only get 32/33 starts of protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
If you really believe the Dodgers are going to be good next year, you are in for a lonnnnng years.
Grienke will not put up those same numbers next year. Iwakuma will come close to the expected #2 rotation guy IMO.
Don't get me wrong here, I think they (Dodgers) are fighting for 2nd place in that division right now. Nonetheless, they will be also fighting for one of the wild card spots, and one of the top 10 records in baseball.
Lets not forget a full season of Seager coming up.....a fucking stud.....and Young Joc's improvements and Urias at some point.........
You keep making blasé blanket statements. Grienke won't replicate 19-3 with a 1.66 ERA? No fucking shit? And in the next sentence you imply Iwakuma is a solid #2 a la Grienke? Are you fucking kidding me?Quote:
Originally Posted by gutQuote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
Grienke will not put up those same numbers next year. Iwakuma will come close to the expected #2 rotation guy IMO.
Don't get me wrong here, I think they (Dodgers) are fighting for 2nd place in that division right now. Nonetheless, they will be also fighting for one of the wild card spots, and one of the top 10 records in baseball.