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Originally Posted by RealTalk
Didn't want to say anything here when this happened as I have too much respect for Lew and BeerandPoker, but in my mind I knew this series was over the moment Hunter toppled over the wall like that. It was one of those classic moments you just know there is no way a team can overcome a letdown like that. There is a lot to be said about destiny in sports, IMO that moment cemented the outcome of this series.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
BTW, awful, awful call on that 3-2 strike that was called a ball. That was a death blow for the Tigers. Hated seeing it as you never like to see a shit call have a big part in the way a series goes, but that's baseball I guess.
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Originally Posted by vegas1369Didn't want to say anything here when this happened as I have too much respect for Lew and BeerandPoker, but in my mind I knew this series was over the moment china started this thread in AprilQuote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
I'm very disappointed in china's lack of trash talking in this thread. I've lost total respect & will now have to end our close personal friendship unless things change dramatically.
Nice call China. SOX going to win the World Series in 4 or 5.
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Originally Posted by snake_in_the_ass
would like you like to make a friendly wager on this?
can I get in on over 4 games too?
Either way it goes down I think this series goes 7 games.
Both teams are playing well right now and I'd be surprised if anyone goes cold. The long lay off last year crushed the Tigers when they swept so I guess St Louis has an extra day but still both series went 6 games.
Not all Boston fans are complete assholes. Just most of us are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
What an implosion by Detroit. Two fantastic starts by Sherzer blown by the Tigers bullpen, both by grand slams? You couldn't make that shit up.
Next year Cabrera will be recovered from injury and maybe Detroit will improve its bullpen, then they will have to go back to fielding errors by the pitching staff as their preferred method of choking in the playoffs.
Also, Boston fans are obnoxious. I always cheered for the Sox to overcome the evil empire of the Yankees and finally win a world series but their fans have rapidly developed a sense of entitlement that makes me want to puke. Yankees fans and Cubs fans are still more annoying though.
GO CARDS
NO. I already have a lot of money riding on Boston:Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFML:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by snake_in_the_ass
would like you like to make a friendly wager on this?
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04:14 PM
[Ticket #: 138416578] ODDS TO WIN 2013 WORLD SERIES
10/20/2013 @ 09:01 AM TNT
[11004] BOSTON RED SOX +4300
http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2013...rn-reports-say
Too bad he isn't taking Dombrowski with him.
Not sure how much is left but the press conference is here:
http://wapc.mlb.com/det/play/?topic_...nt_id=31168533
They probably will have it up over there anyways. This is the polite way of parting ways with him instead of just saying gtfo considering he did get the team to the playoffs four times and two world series since 2006.
I'm not sure, thinking back on things now like how emotional he has been makes me wonder if he knew whatever happens he's hanging it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I knew they weren't going to fire him, guy has way to good of a record for something like that.
I've always liked Jim Leyland even when he was boot fucking my team when he managed in the National League & specifically the Pirates.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfatherI'm not sure, thinking back on things now like how emotional he has been makes me wonder if he knew whatever happens he's hanging it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I knew they weren't going to fire him, guy has way to good of a record for something like that.
He's a class act all the way.
He was on the Mitch Albom show on the radio and said he called it in April and told everyone in upper mgmt in June so this was a done deal but the players didn't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewfatherI'm not sure, thinking back on things now like how emotional he has been makes me wonder if he knew whatever happens he's hanging it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
I knew they weren't going to fire him, guy has way to good of a record for something like that.
Leyland has said a few times he was probably done and came back. Sometimes it's hard to get rid of these old guys they just keep on coaching but the team adding Hunter, a few other guys, and having VMart playing the expectations were to win a World Series and it didn't happen.
What if Illitch told him: "We want you back Jim! We will shell out more money for bull pen pitching and declare ourselves in the race for Cano will you coach another year?" While this move is the correct one the fact is upper management loves Leyland and it would not surprise me if they actually would have tried to keep him.
I never thought they would fire him but many fans are critics who wanted that to happen. It's so much of a "what have you done for me lately" type of mentality that fans have not really seeing the big picture of what was accomplished in the Leyland era.
They did tell him they wanted him back, he was just done. Think about it though, 50 years of it. That's a hell of an accomplishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Tigers have some major issues coming up and that division is improving at the same time.
1. The bullpen sucks. I am sure they will try and address this but sometimes this can be hit or miss. For a team that has a rotation like that it is a travesty to have a bullpen like that. You can get by when scoring 10+ but your not going to be putting up 10+ vs elite pitchers in the playoffs
2. Prince Fielder - This guys #s have declined both years in Detroit but they owe this guy till I think 2020 @ 20 mill + per. One of the eye poppers were his home run totals this year as they dipped down to 25 and even last year he hit 30 which was the lowest since his first full season. He is a 300+ pound man who is just about 30 and is headed to the back 9 of his career. I don't think he is done and he could rebound but when you are paying a guy 20 MIl + to hit hr 25 aint going to cut it. He also posted the lowest OBP since his rookie year and his lowest slugging total. He is also a below average fielder and a terrible base runner as we all witnessed. Thios could turn into a terrible contract if his play continues so
3. Scherzer trade rumors. Detroit guys- Do you think they will deal him? While it is not good to give away aces they have 3 VERY above average guys outside of him. They may be able to get a bundle for him if the right team comes and offers a boatload. Otherwise when his contract comes up you are looking at maybe 25 million per.
4. Verlander- There were concerns mid season when he was getting racked as his velocity was down and he has logged in a ton of innings over the past 4-5 seasons but he cruised down the stretch and into the playoffs. I expect a monster season out of him next year.
5. Cabrera - This guy was banged up all year. Better get that fixed as well cause this guy aint getting younger. Easily the best hitter in the game whether healthy or not but this guy can't keep taking a beating @ 3rd or he is going to keep getting hurt. Tough to Dh him as well cause you have Prince and Victor (another guy on the back 9)
I'm just throwing a scenario out. I agree 50 years is a long time especially in baseball where you play 162 games a year, a month of spring training games, weeks of practice before spring training, and are still working some in the off season,etc... It's a very taxing job.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsThey did tell him they wanted him back, he was just done. Think about it though, 50 years of it. That's a hell of an accomplishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
That was a terrible contract the day it was signed. It just may be easier to stomach in the long run if he helps deliver a title.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
ya I am never against these contracts if the team has unlimited money because if you pop a series win then all is forgotten. Right now it has been worth the 24 mil per year but another 7 years to go. The pujols contract looks like it could be a hugggggggge disaster if he doesn't rebound and LOL @ the Arod deal, crawford and there are some more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey GuyThat was a terrible contract the day it was signed. It just may be easier to stomach in the long run if he helps deliver a title.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
These contracts are never good but if guys don't get the money one place they get it somewhere else.
Ten minutes of my life well spent watching this Leyland retirement clip:
http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=31169135
Leyland didn't want his retirement to become a distraction on September 7th when told Dave Dombrowski he was done but another thought comes to mind would it have been motivational if the players knew?
Worked for Ray lewisQuote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Tigers Hired former player Brad Ausmus as their new manager.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/detroit...1753--mlb.html
I thought they might go with someone who knows a bit about the franchise and that will understand the team isn't that far away from finally winning the World Series so you don't want to do a complete turn around with how things are done which will fuck things up more then help them.
i thought this was pretty interesting
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...aluations.html
phillies were so behind the saber math curve that MLB force fed them someone?
In 2002 when the Boston Red Sox failed to woo Mr. Beane to the East Coast, it promoted to general manager Theo Epstein, who brought in Bill James and adopted Billy Beane's approach, only with more money. Two years later they won the World Series.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
I believe Bill James & his wonks have made a huge difference in the Red Sox 3 recent championships. Not just from a drafting & trading perspective but game to game matchups & strategies.
It is difficult to explain the Red Sox success from a talent perspective alone - with all due respect to Druff and his "toss out the ball and let them play" view of baseball.
On a side note, I have loved anything written by Michael Lewis, author of Moneyball. I think the book was far better than the movie.
First book I read by him was "Liars Poker". It was fucking awesome. It lit my fire with day trading. This was 15 years ago. Sigh. It documented his personal experience as an unqualified participant amongst the frat boy traders on Wall Street while raking millions in salary & commission. It gives you a feel for the fucked up trading houses that we all later bailed out.
Michael Lewis wrote "The Blind Side". It was moneyball for football. Book was far better. The movie focused on Michael Oher. Oher was a great story but he was just a metaphor for the sabermetrics of football.
It is an examination of how offensive football strategy has evolved over the past three decades in large part due to Lawrence Taylor's arrival in the 1980s and how this evolution has placed an increased importance on the role of the left tackle. How's the leg feeling these days Joe Theismann?
The best Lewis book is "The Big Short". Like "Liars Poker" another Wall Street story. This time he documents the real estate derivatives market in a character driven way. He introduces you to Michael Burry, a guy with Aspergers & one blind eye who raked billions off his early bet. Any story where people are gambling millions or billions is a good read, IMO. Makes a dry subject gripping & understandable. You will truly understand why your house value tanked & why our economy is so fucked up now. It is another book worthy of a Hollywood script.
Lastly, BNP, I am pretty lazy about the math for all games. Poker, day trading & sports betting. I know better and have an aptitude for the math but its work. I don't want a job, lol. Painful losses drive me to pay attention. I have a kid who pitches for a D1 team. He is decent but not the 6'5" flamethrower scouts drool over. I started following his stats and played a rationalization game with FIPS & WHIP and such. Those stats started to mean something personal to me & helped my success with baseball betting enormously.
I simply cannot find the same concrete stat driven analysis for football that works consistently.
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Like their was any doubt.
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I had doubts because he didn't have the best WAR in the league & all awards should be given out based solely on that & nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
prince for kinsler?
Tigers trying to move Prince Fielder. I hope the cash they have to shell out with this deal isn't too extreme but Texas is one team that don't mind spending money.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10...rs-ian-kinsler
Now you need a bat to protect Cabrera?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Who?
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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
This went down, and Texas ate the whole thing.
All of a sudden $$$ for Scherzer isn't a problem.
I bet this ends up being a great deal for Detroit
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Originally Posted by SanlmarNow you need a bat to protect Cabrera?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Who?
*dreaming*
I'm sure they will weigh their options but the only reason the Tigers signed Fielder in the first place is because Victor Martinez went down with a season ending injury so Mike Illitch said fuck it we want to win now and need a bat to protect Cabrera. VMart is still a .300+ hitter with the capability of producing 25-30 homers a year, and a lot of doubles so for the moment he would be the #1 choice to protect Cabrera.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarNow you need a bat to protect Cabrera?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
Who?
The Tigers hope prospect Nick Castellanos who got a small amount of time in the big leagues last season will be able to bring some pop to the lineup as well but they couldn't really bring him up to play third and now that option is open.
Rumors are floating around the Tigers will pay $30-40 million which really isn't that bad regardless because it frees up $65-75 million to lock in deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker
This went down, and Texas ate the whole thing.
All of a sudden $$$ for Scherzer isn't a problem.
I bet this ends up being a great deal for Detroit
Great trade for both teams, assuming Detroit locks up Scherzer now. Detroit can move Cabrera to 1B or DH, where he belongs, and Kinsler is no slouch of a hitter as well.
Texas frees up 2B for Profar while adding a big middle of the order bat.