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I don't know, it looked like a shadow in the video. The dark part by the eye moves around when he moved his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Probably faded somewhat in the 2 days since he got it, plus he probably put makeup to cover it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
It was NOT the lighting. You could tell the eye area was swollen, not just back.
Yeah, I think your general hypothesis is correct - his confirmation bias is leading him to search for legitimacy in these systems while completely ignoring obvious facts that demonstrate that they don't work. It's despicable to use his kid as a prop in these videos. Hopefully as he gets into his teens his dad will have moved on to something else otherwise that kid will have a gambling problem. His dad is poisoning his brain with this shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDimeShrink, you’re absolutely right it is very strange. Forgive me as I do my best as a layman to give you my feelings about it what’s going on in that guy’s head.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shrink
The child is his shield and I think he knows it. He is responding to comments and videos that I have made with his you son right beside him. It’s human nature and I will admit it has an effect on me to not call his father a total fool with his son right there. It is completely inappropriate for him to manipulate the blowback using his child but that is why I have been more cordial to him. Thinking about it now it upsets me what he is doing. Maybe in retrospect I would say I can’t respond with your son right there as this is an adult conversation. I plan to do that going forward. If I was a betting man (and yes I am) I think he knows fully well what he is doing. Does this make him a bad guy? I don’t know I am conflicted. He seems like a decent but not so bright a human being.
As far as him being a Jock Sniffer to Baccarat scammers I honestly believe he thinks that “strategies & systems” work. He has a notebook and basically claims to be a low stakes baccarat player who uses the martingale system but with very low base bets. Online he will do $1 base bets. I think he has been profitable for a year or so and has just faded the variance of Martingale biting him in the ass. He is a a low stakes guy as he was kicked out of Jason Sample’s Facebook group for voicing concerns that $50/month was not worth it.
My final hypothesis- He believes in these systems. He wants there to be systems & strategies that work so badly that he is blinded to what a wretched human being Christopher Mitchell is. He’s probably told his wife, friends, family etc that he has a baccarat system that supplements his income. By some twisted logic that ends up putting him on the wrong side and aligns him with some pretty rotten people. He just wants to believe so badly. He is probably a believer in conspiracy theories. I’m sure you know the type Shrink.
But hey that’s just my opinion....I could be wrong.
Editorial- Maybe I don’t want to be the one to tell the kid there’s no Santa Claus.
Additional Note- To further show how the child is weaponized in one video Dempsey brings up that KD used a clip of Kyle’s porn face in a video. As the use of crude humor in a video does anything to further his argument? He is just mentioning this because his kid is there and KD is “not being nice” to CM. I will admit I enjoy using profanity and don’t see it as a stigma for being “lower class” anymore like it may have been a generation or two ago. Of course there are plenty of occasions where it is not appropriate but making a YouTube video about CM isn’t one of them. Parents should not allow their young children to curse at home or school but adults can have at it.
they are both his/her accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDimeEverything points to pick 3 world being Stacy’s main burner. That and Red Pill both are almost equally ignorant and both instead of answering with anything of substance simply like to smh. On the 3 little YouTube videos I’ve done they have been the main CM marks. Keep shaking your head Stacy....shake it like a Polaroid picture. Much easier to write smh than to answer why he won’t pull up his mlife account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Correct. Did you also notice that of course RP didn't have any verifiable way to transfer the funds so CM was going to"mail" them to her? Well, that's the easiest way to do it so you don't have to have proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
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Originally Posted by JeffDimeShit the bed big time with the comps Christopher. Can you do anything right? 45 K loss you should have a villa or a bungalow. Your Venetian Host fucked you bro. At least get Stacy a 45K Gelato.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
why do you think he lost $45k at Venetian?
Every winner never has a way of getting paid. His giveaway is actually fake. As Pick 3 (Stacy would say) smh.Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendCorrect. Did you also notice that of course RP didn't have any verifiable way to transfer the funds so CM was going to"mail" them to her? Well, that's the easiest way to do it so you don't have to have proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
I was being a bit hyperbolic. It seems like collectively at least 35K plus was lost. The fact he got the room at Venetian makes it pretty clear that at least a decent portion of that money was lost there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffDime
why do you think he lost $45k at Venetian?
After I saw KD's video and I know part of the scammer's hand book is to tire out the mark so they are even more vulnerable. It really disgusted me when KD pointed out that he had Lucy walk in the 100 degree heat. On top of that all the money he's probably scammed from her before and the money lost on this trip. I figured he would definitely come to this page so I really want to add some insult to injury.
@the shrink...buddy I think ive found the holy grail of Christopher Mitchell..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRQvqnKAfnM
forward to around 3:15...
tips to become a VIP high roller...………………..make sure you wear clothes with pockets....
im not kidding, he said this...in a non trolling manner...pockets...pockets...
see tellafriend, you've been doing it all wrong for all these years...
EDIT: Christ a minute or two later he shows a 'red card' from wynn/encore...this is the lowest tier of their player's club...for a VIP...jesus Christ this moron's lies are fucking just terrible...
EDIT2: I buy in for $2,000 and take $700 in black, $1000 in green, and the rest in red...yup, high rollers be using a lotta dem redbirds...holy fuck this is his greatest video ever and im only halfway through...
I didn't think he could trump himself, but goddamn it he did it...
fast forward to 3:30...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un4q...ature=youtu.be
"it's impossible to get rich working at a job, hopefully you know that...the reason you are working at a job is because you have been brainwashed..."
:lol2
this shit is comedy gold and it's not a troll either which makes it even funnier...
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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
Don't disrespect someone whose trying to teach you how to get rich
^^tru
I've been doing shit all wrong...glad I stumbled upon this thread so I could learn from the bill gates of baccarat...
Johnny Martingale, thanks for the link to Rick Lee's testimony. It's a good one. I am looking forward to watch the Lucy and Gary's testimonies.Quote:
Johnny Martingale wrote to Brian Dempsey:
"Rick Lee's testimony on the phone should be more than enough proof that CM is a scammer! According to his own words, he paid CM $500 + $100 for Martingale PDF files, lost $40K using those worthless strategies, paid $1K for personal coaching in Vegas where he got lucky and won $8K, met him in Biloxi where he lost $15K (plus coaching fees), and met him in Vegas again where he lost another $10K (plus coaching fees)."
(To watch Rick Lee's testimony, please forward the video to 35:40.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POQSOriLjkE&t=2140
Christopher Mitchell makes Mike Morgenstern look like a rocket scientist. I think all that cum he's swallowed over the years killed all his braincells
I worked in a GNC in college and that protein is a pretty penny. Think about all the coin he saved during his body building days. Christopher I also found this article on dealing with the pitfalls of being a power bottom that may be useful. You’re welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
https://www.pride.com/sex/2016/11/03...allery-media-1
MM (with an insane criminal mind) is much worst than CM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
Both CM & MM are scammers, and Mitchell seems like a gentle husband with a good looking wife and a cute baby. However Kevin Davis describes Morgenstein as if MM is a MS-13 gang member...notorious for violence & merciless retribution... & his motto is to scam (thru Utube), date-rape, & control of his girlfriends...
https://youtu.be/ruq1MWovZjE
I never said whose actions are worse doofus, I said intelligence referenceQuote:
Originally Posted by MethylprepnisoloneMM (with an insane criminal mind) is much worst than CM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
Both CM & MM are scammers, and Mitchell seems like a gentle husband with a good looking wife and a cute baby. However Kevin Davis describes Morgenstein as if MM is a MS-13 gang member...notorious for violence & merciless retribution... & his motto is to scam (thru Utube), date-rape, & control of his girlfriends...
https://youtu.be/ruq1MWovZjE
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Originally Posted by JeffDimeDruff I know you got a lot on your plate but is it possible to get another popcorn gif. I just get a little creeped out when I think about what he may be watching in this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDime
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/att...1&d=1592277547
I agree that Morgenstern was MUCH worse.
Christopher Mitchell seems like a low-rent career scammer, who is interesting mostly because he's so ridiculous. (I will admit it gets much less funny when you see his actual victims in the videos, though.)
Morgenstern seems like a straight up violent criminal, and while I only know the story from Kevin's description, it appears he incorporated (credible-sounding) threats of violence into his routine. CM just seems like a bumbling dope who never comes off as threatening.
Hahaha check out his latest video. He's in the Venetian degenning it up. Looks like he got comped a suite and a spot in a blackjack tournament which he busted. At 4:40 he offers some stellar CM wisdom. He starts by saying "I never play slot machines." Then he says he just put $100 in a slot machine. Then he shows his cashout ticket for a $33 profit and he's very proud of himself for cashing out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5_1vr4B77Y
Honestly, I cannot tell when he's lying and when he's just displaying his genuine stupidity.
holy shit, the 6:00 mark is priceless...people photobomb him and come up to him and go 'BIG WINNER, BIG WINNNNNNNNNER!!!!'Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shrink
:lol2
and CM keeps going with his diatribe...doesn't even blink...not that he ever does...fucking gold, absolute fucking comedic gold...
@shrink...I think the line is blurred...he goes in and out of lying and just being fucking stupid...hard to tell where the line is...
6:30- claims to have just made 1K at baccarat at Harrahs. No chips, no scorecard and no money. Zip and Pip.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shrink
He is so lazy how does he not reshoot that? Fucking guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis
CM spoke of Las Vegas Trump Tower (@2:22 of the video), and I was curious about Trump Tower near Wynn Casino. I look up for its condo sales price. I am shock to find out that a sales price for the condo#6303 is $3,599,999.
Will you guys buy that $3,599,999 condo? I will not. My 2 friends abandoned 2 condos near Circus Circus Casino and took a $400,000 loss.
One of the 2 condos was resold at a cheap price by the foreclosing bank, but the 2nd condo was listed in auction.com unsold.
When you think about KD and what he has gone through it’s truly amazing. I put a video out. I have no fake accounts I barely know how to use YouTube. This is the kind of shit that comes and I know it’s not even a fraction of a percent of what KD has seen. Btw I didn’t hide or delete his comment he must of done it himself because I can’t find it. KD do really nasty comments hide themselves sometimes? I only got this comment in my email.
Editorial- Doing all three scammers at once gives me three times the hate. Maybe a bad decision. LOL. I also think this is most likely from Mitchell because of the logic or in this case lack of logic to make his argument.
Yup. That's what he did. He said I never play slot machines and then showed us how he made 33% on a slot. Secret to his success. You cannot make this stuff up.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shrink
Bro, I'd bet my right arm right now that was a CM account, he's so retarded he can't even hide his tracks on commentsQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffDimeWhen you think about KD and what he has gone through it’s truly amazing. I put a video out. I have no fake accounts I barely know how to use YouTube. This is the kind of shit that comes and I know it’s not even a fraction of a percent of what KD has seen. Btw I didn’t hide or delete his comment he must of done it himself because I can’t find it. KD do really nasty comments hide themselves sometimes? I only got this comment in my email.
Editorial- Doing all three scammers at once gives me three times the hate. Maybe a bad decision. LOL. I also think this is most likely from Mitchell because of the logic or in this case lack of logic to make his argument.
Jeff, I've gotten many death threats and my family's been in those threats......there's nothing anyone can say to me on internet that would put a second of fear in me. I've demonstrated I don't take shit from anyone and will fuck up many if I ever saw them in real life. Just laugh at those comments cause theres many retards on youtube. I also see you didn't heed my advice ignoring that pillsbury dough boy brian dempsey, which proves to me you're becoming hopeless to all the good advice I give
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Originally Posted by Dustin McBro, I'd bet my right arm right now that was a CM account, he's so retarded he can't even hide his tracks on commentsQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffDimeWhen you think about KD and what he has gone through it’s truly amazing. I put a video out. I have no fake accounts I barely know how to use YouTube. This is the kind of shit that comes and I know it’s not even a fraction of a percent of what KD has seen. Btw I didn’t hide or delete his comment he must of done it himself because I can’t find it. KD do really nasty comments hide themselves sometimes? I only got this comment in my email.
Editorial- Doing all three scammers at once gives me three times the hate. Maybe a bad decision. LOL. I also think this is most likely from Mitchell because of the logic or in this case lack of logic to make his argument.
Jeff, I've gotten many death threats and my family's been in those threats......there's nothing anyone can say to me on internet that would put a second of fear in me. I've demonstrated I don't take shit from anyone and will fuck up many if I ever saw them in real life. Just laugh at those comments cause theres many retards on youtube. I also see you didn't heed my advice ignoring that pillsbury dough boy brian dempsey, which proves to me you're becoming hopeless to all the good advice I give
Bro I criticized Dempsey in the video. I didn’t know it was a gag order. I thought you were upset cause I admitted to going easy on him. I generally heed your advice KD but we are definitely two different types of people and my style is just different. I certainly didn’t do anything to hurt the cause. It doesn’t mean I can’t help.
As for the comment they don’t bother me at all. I was just highlighting my first really long ridiculous negative comment. I made it clear that compared to you it’s a total nothing burger. I just wanted to hang my first ass chewing up there I guess. I think you are being overly critical of me tbh. I wish you would have emailed me if you were going to use the a word like “hopeless”. They come and see me getting friendly fire is just not a good look.
You are entitled to your opinion. Just because you went through hell and back with Morgenstern doesn’t mean this journey has to go down the same exact way. I stand by my video.
I understand that Dempsey has been very negative towards you. If you watch the video I praise you at many points and I defend you from Dempsey’s attacks. If you want me to keep you out of the videos than I will. Idk what else to say on it.
As much as I’m sure some may want this publicly can we please discuss this by email or phone as I don’t want us to go back and forth. Thanks man.
Dumbsey is a retard that I do not waste my time acknowledging him. Then he has his kid in videos, that support CM is birds of a feather flock together. Fucking retards like CM, Stacy and Dumbsey should not be allowed near kids let alone raise them. I say youre hopeless cause you went back to Dumbsey's comments to continue your debate with him. Are you really hoping you'll make headway with him? Christ man, if you told him the sky is blue, he'll come back and say no its green. He's a CM thumper and nothing you say or prove to him will change that.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
Bro I criticized Dempsey in the video. I didn’t know it was a gag order. I thought you were upset cause I admitted to going easy on him. I generally heed your advice KD but we are definitely two different types of people and my style is just different. I certainly didn’t do anything to hurt the cause. It doesn’t mean I can’t help.
As for the comment they don’t bother me at all. I was just highlighting my first really long ridiculous negative comment. I made it clear that compared to you it’s a total nothing burger. I just wanted to hang my first ass chewing up there I guess. I think you are being overly critical of me tbh. I wish you would have emailed me if you were going to use the a word like “hopeless”. They come and see me getting friendly fire is just not a good look.
You are entitled to your opinion. Just because you went through hell and back with Morgenstern doesn’t mean this journey has to go down the same exact way. I stand by my video.
I understand that Dempsey has been very negative towards you. If you watch the video I praise you at many points and I defend you from Dempsey’s attacks. If you want me to keep you out of the videos than I will. Idk what else to say on it.
As much as I’m sure some may want this publicly can we please discuss this by email or phone as I don’t want us to go back and forth. Thanks man.
OK I understand you don’t want any engagement with him whatsoever. I felt as CM’s main apologist I wanted to point out how absurd he was in trying to justify him having Lucy walk the strip in 100 degree heat. However, I can understand not engaging with him at all. I misinterpreted your last email as if I understood that was your position and still decided to engage I would of informed you as a courtesy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
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Originally Posted by JeffDimeOK I understand you don’t want any engagement with him whatsoever. I felt as CM’s main apologist I wanted to point out how absurd he was in trying to justify him having Lucy walk the strip in 100 degree heat. However, I can understand not engaging with him at all. I misinterpreted your last email as if I understood that was your position and still decided to engage I would of informed you as a courtesy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Mc
There's no sense wasting even a second of your time enagaging with that idiot. Again, if the sky is blue and you can prove it, he'll still think its green. I lmfao when i heard he came out with a video saying i'm trying to incite violence.
Todd, I'm probably playing in a few WSOP's this year, I'll let you know which ones
Kevin, any other year I would be glad to meet you at the WSOP. However, even if it goes this fall, I won't be there because of the coronavirus.
I'm not playing the online ones, either.
Maybe in 2021.
That "Mister Motivation" guy really does seem like Christopher Mitchell.
Even the name is CM-like, as it contains the word "motivation", which is exactly the BS routine he's been selling for years now -- both regarding gambling and fitness.
Recall the name of Stacy's new channel: "Motivation for Mom's" (with the extraneous apostrophe, which conveniently vanished when we made fun of it in this thread!)
CM is all about giving you "motivation" and "changing your life" -- common terms in self-help scams which have existed for decades.
Anyway, if it's not CM, it's likely one of the other two guys you criticized. Since the comment was more CM-heavy in its defense, and because of the "Mister Motivation" name, it really does look like it's CM.
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I'm sure it's CM. He always says the phrase "dead broke wannabe hater" on his live streams and some of his videos.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Bingo Druff. He did delete the comment to me because I can’t find it anywhere except In my email. On Christopher Mitchell’s video from yesterday Mr. Motivation is the pinned comment and the exact same thing he wrote is copy and pasted word for word. Also fitting with Mitchell’s low IQ he said he left the comment on KD’s channel not mine. The guy is more see-through than clear air.
Yeah, no doubt online play takes away from it. However theyre doing what they have to in order to make it work. I'll let you know which ones I'm in of anyone wants to follow meQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I've often wondered whether CM knows how full of shit he is, or if he only thinks he's fudging numbers and telling some white lies.
He must believe in his strategy because he actually uses it -- and loses!
But he obviously lies to everyone about his results, in order to sell "coaching".
I think the idiot believes his strategy is +EV, and his losses have just been due to bad luck. He rationalizes the lies to himself because he feels he's actually teaching people how to win, and then when they also lose, he blames that on luck again.
It really does seem like this scam is partially to keep himself in action, and partially to avoid having to get a real job.
I think he is on his last leg and he is still trying to sell his story to Stacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I would have to interact with him in real life to see if he is a true pathological liar or if it is more exclusive to him when he is in sales mode like when taping the videos. There is no doubt he has completely rationalized to himself that he has no problem saying whatever he thinks will help him succeed in his mission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I believe he has an addictive personality without a doubt and the gambling feeds that. Studies have been done that games like blackjack and baccarat can cause addicts the same kind of rush to the brain as drugs(stimulants) can. I think using that martingale has been so detrimental to him because that rush from all these small wins where he may be down to his last martingale.
When I was younger I had to learn that all these strategies people try to sell, sports touts etc were total bullshit. If he is being honest he has been gambling for a very short period of time. He didn’t cut his teeth like most of us did in our younger years it seems. So he is way behind on a steep learning curve and scaling that curve is definitely not his strong suit.
He doesn’t have any kind of real knowledge of math. He thinks every time he casino hops he is cutting down his chances of hitting that losing streak. Unfortunately, the martingale is the only way he is going to book a good amount of wins. I think his is like a lot of novice gamblers thinking there is some code that can be cracked that for whatever reason never has been. Has no understanding of what it takes to be an AP. Or even what an AP is for that matter.
Given the fact that he has lost a shit ton of money with a small child to support I have to think he fools himself and his wife that they are going to crack this code. I think he’s probably punted all the money Stacy cashed out of her 401K by now. To say they both feel pot committed would be an understatement. They just need to keep getting the coaching clients to cover all his losses until he finally finds the holy grail.
The child really bothers me. I guess because of Stacy’s age they may have felt forced to have it when they did. It is one thing for a couple of adults to venture off to Vegas with some kind of absurd plan to make money and a totally other thing to do that with a young child. To bring a child into this world and then start this whole journey is beyond irresponsible.