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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You do realize, that other than appearance, there is little difference b/n an "assault rifle" and any other type of semi-automatic hunting rifle? It's just a term loosely thrown around by folks trying to scare people.
I know why Stephen Paddock killed 59 people and wounded hundreds more.
You see...God made him do it because some black guys kneeled down during the National Anthem and insulted the President. All of those black guys are of course unhurt. God just decided to kill a bunch of Country Music fans who had nothing to do with it.
Thanks for figuring that out, Pat Robertson. I can see why you're a leader to 100 million Evangelical Christian Americans and an advisor to the President.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etOa8-pFow4
Here comes barry with the non sequiturs............keep em coming.
Isn't the Life Is Beautiful patron demographic more liberal than Route 91? I ask this remembering that he couldn't book a room at the Ogden and only seemed to go to Mandalay in a pinch.
Wouldn't this say that Paddock was actually wanting to attack liberals first, rendering the idea he was alt-left specifically going after Trumpkins at Route 91 a moot point?
A mild argument could be made here that Paddock leaned to the right, if anything. He was a rugged individualist never depending on anyone else during his law-abiding life.
Still think this was more about the gambling than politics either way.
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Originally Posted by DirtyB
Religion is such a poison . The only good that comes from it is that it instills a moral code into stupid sociopaths that need to fear god so they dont harm others. Too bad Paddock wasnt stupid
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Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You do realize, that other than appearance, there is little difference b/n an "assault rifle" and any other type of semi-automatic hunting rifle? It's just a term loosely thrown around by folks trying to scare people.
Lol, exactly.
I can't imagine that alot of people reading this have even fired a firearm, like ever. Almost every time you see someone going ape shit about guns must be banned, most of the time it's someone that has never fired a gun and only knows what movies and Hillary Clinton say about guns.
mint being farther left than 90% of america and against the second amendment is a swerve i didn't see comingQuote:
Originally Posted by Mintjewlips
Druff couldn't wait to theorize in the way of political finger-pointing. Others too jumped on the bandwagon. From both sides.
This incident should create a level of political unity, not divide. The attempted point scoring after such an event is truly bizarre from where I'm sitting.
The focus should be squarely on preventing cold-blooded killers from having the means to carry out further attacks with such devastation. Surely politicians & voters from across the board can unite behind that.
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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
Whats confusing you is that every.. single... one... of our mass shooting incidents... the democrats demand some form of government response by way of legislation, and the republicans, starting with the ones getting rich off NRA donations, stonewall and offer absolutely nothing but "thoughts and prayers".
So yeah, there isnt a lot of potential for unity there.
And there wont be in a week when this shit happens again.
NRA hasnt really spent alot in terms of lobbying until recently though.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...t-all-of-them/
It Has occurred to me that this guy was doing this in haste. Sure I've read about his preparation and thought that went into this, but ask yourself: if He cared so much about his family and gf, enough to plan to wire money to her or her family so we surmise, then why wouldn't such a rich man who owned so much property take a little more time and sell it for those he loved? There were going to be plenty of opportunities to do this. Now everything he's accumulated is going to be taken from his estate now and this is something he would have known. This leads me to think this was all more hasty than what's currently being presented.
I'm starting to realize that a lot of people in this thread maybe dont really "get" what happens during a psychotic episode.
I think he was doing it in haste, but I believe that the property etc will be assigned to her in the will etc and that he sent her enough money so that she could live until she can get the properties. I also believe that it is a great thing for us that he didn't get that suite at the Ogden....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
Like, we've seen this shit before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
Also, fun fact, apparently he had recently been prescribed valium. One of the side effects can be aggressive behavior, apparently.
His father was crazy enough to land the top 10 FBI'S most wanted, there's a clue plus his brother has that crazy look. I think high capacity magazines need to be banned and the shooting community needs to usher in an era self policing instead of everyone sharing info on how to get around the laws. I personally know quite a few people who've been shot and I'm not in the hood.
Interesting call until he went conspiracy theorist, have you guys seen all the conspiracy theories, geez. Didn't he film himself doing the shooting? I hope they release the tapes, none of the CT's hold any water from what I've seen, I think the lady telling everyone they were going to die had to be drunk talking shit. He was a Trump supporter supposedly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZeiunoX7bY
Also, what prescriptions was he on. That's the culprit in many of these incidents where someone does something so out of character like this.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
I GET WHAT HAPPENS. SOMEONE GETS BUTTHURT OVER A POST. THEY MAKE THREADS ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO HURT THEM.
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Originally Posted by cmoney
You are completely on fleek with this. Well said.
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Originally Posted by OldHosterI think he was doing it in haste, but I believe that the property etc will be assigned to her in the will etc and that he sent her enough money so that she could live until she can get the properties. I also believe that it is a great thing for us that he didn't get that suite at the Ogden....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
His estate will be sued and left penniless. The heirs will receive nothing.
I think it was done in semi-haste. That is, he may have decided to do it in August, rather than something like February.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
He clearly put plenty of time and planning into it, and it appears he sent his girlfriend away and shipped $100k to her (or someone else) in her country of origin.
(Her sister claims that he just surprised her with a ticket at the last minute, which I believe.)
If the $100k he sent weren't his last cash funds, then he probably sent the max he could without believing he would arouse suspicion (though $100k is quite a lot to send, too).
I believe that the walker he sent his mom in September was his final way of taking care of her, and figured that his brother (who lived much closer to her) would do the rest.
I have received more info from the casino insider.
The city of Reno has various video poker games with over 100% return. You can see some listed here: http://www.vpfree2.com/casinos/by-re...eno-tahoe.html
The locals love these machines, but in reality they are more of a gimmick than anything else. Most are low limit, and it is assumed that most players will also make mistakes and/or misclicks, bringing their expected win under 100%.
However, casinos are aware that there are computer-like video poker players who almost never make mistakes, and have a deep enough bankroll to withstand variance.
Stephen Paddock was one of those players, and in fact was regarded as one of the best, when it came to avoiding mistakes or incorrect strategy.
He loved the multiplay machines with the 100%+ return. He was beating the casinos for a long time, and had a deep enough bankroll to withstand any variance. In fact, he was observed being emotionless while playing. Even when he had bad sessions, he showed no frustration, and didn't seem to care much.
There was at least one casino in Reno where he was an overall winner over an extremely high number of hands, and probably more than just that one. (I know which casino, but I am not naming it, as I've been asked not to.)
He played video poker all over town, especially at places which ran 100%+ games at any reasonable stakes. (That is, he didn't play the 5c or single-play 25c machines.)
One casino even downgraded the 100%+ return 100-play machine they had, because he was consistently beating it. This disappointed some locals who enjoyed that machine, as the casino observed that only he was able to beat it over a large sample of hands.
He wasn't making huge money, however. The casinos aren't stupid enough to offer 100%+ games at high stakes, and it's still a big grind to make consistent money on a machine with a 100.xx% theoretical return. Clearly Paddock enjoyed the grind and spent a lot of time doing it.
He also played sub-100% games (hence his high status at Caesars), but focused most of his video poker play on the better-paying Reno properties.
Interestingly, he had a bad week recently, about a week before the shooting. He lost more during that week in Reno than they had ever observed him losing before. I was not told if his play style changed at all, but simply that he lost a lot, and that it was unusual. However, the amount he lost was unlikely to be significant enough to break him or cause serious financial damage, given what we know about him (and his ability to withstand variance in the past). It was only notable because of how bad the run was in such a short time. Was he perhaps playing poorly because his mind was on what was coming up?
FYI, Reno is quite far from Mesquite (over 500 miles), but he also had a property in Reno, which was searched by authorities after the shooting.
They've since retracted this. It was an error.Quote:
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Originally Posted by hongkongerThey've since retracted this. It was an error.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
Amazing how far Newsweek has fallen.
Remember that embarrassing bitcoin story about "identifying" Satoshi?
What a trash publication.
Prolly no safer place on earth right now especially with Trump visit
I think I played craps with a couple FBI. They never take full odds
Psychosis of some kind actually makes the most sense at this point. His motive was somewhere in his delusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
He sent his GF away to protect her from himself, some imaginary threat and/or the police (provide her an alibi, soften the blow etc.).
Kinda scary with the similarities to Charles Whitman and to see what 50 years does to body count. Town square got more crowded and weapons became far more lethal and easier to use. Likely both had their arsenal before any violent thoughts. Whitman pretty much had to get training in the military to accomplish what he did. Paddock was just a gun enthusiast. Evolution of civilian small arms and it's still going in the same direction.
For those conspiracy theorists who keep insisting that there were "multiple shooters" due to the flashing lights seen on lower floors of the building: Time to give up on that.
First, none can explain the window thing, as Paddock had to break windows in order to shoot from the room. No other rooms had windows broken.
More importantly, those same flashing lights can be seen in this news report AFTER the shooting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RpvVwsodHE
Conspiritards looking foolish once again.
Gordo's gonna Gordo.Quote:
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Originally Posted by gimmickPsychosis of some kind actually makes the most sense at this point. His motive was somewhere in his delusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
He sent his GF away to protect her from himself, some imaginary threat and/or the police (provide her an alibi, soften the blow etc.).
Kinda scary with the similarities to Charles Whitman and to see what 50 years does to body count. Town square got more crowded and weapons became far more lethal and easier to use. Likely both had their arsenal before any violent thoughts. Whitman pretty much had to get training in the military to accomplish what he did. Paddock was just a gun enthusiast. Evolution of civilian small arms and it's still going in the same direction.
I mean, I was up on the psychosis theory the second I heard about this and it only made more sense to me as it went on, but some actual honest to god gun experts (as opposed to PFA's red state squirrel hunter militia) are pointing out some interesting things, and while they by no means negate the psychosis theory, they point out that there were indicators this was a carefully researched/premeditated operation, and not a spur of the moment meltdown:
More fun facts:
He was in the perfect position; a police sniper could never return fire without endangering other guests. He was using shooting platforms recessed in the dark of the room, which helped obfuscate the muzzle flash positions and significantly enhance stability while shooting. Plus, shooting from the dark into the light is essential snipercraft.
The platforms gave him stability as well, and he had two shooting positions with weapons prepared on each so he had redundancy in case one weapon malfunctioned/overheated.
He was shooting onto concrete, at a distance where ricochets maintained lethality.
The targets had virtually no cover available.
A lot of people are stunned that he only killed 59 people, basically. And this sort of premeditation strongly implies that there was not an 'emotional collapse' impetus behind it.
Reading Druff's post about how behaved when he went on a major losing streak recently also lends itself to the theory that his downswing was a symptom of his impending episode, not the cause.
His valium prescription in June paints a picture of someone who may have had an emotional wall chemically torn down by prescription mood altering meds, allowing him to embrace his hereditary psychosis.
The link between mass shootings and psychiatric medication has been the subject of a lot of research/debate in the last few years.
If we can't get effective gun control legislation enacted, perhaps the government could subsidize large smart phone purchases for folks looking for some protection against random nutjob shooters.
It's a pity he didn't die of cancer or some other shit before he got the chance to massacre all the people.
I agree, this could have played a role. If he was abusing the Valium, well,Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
"Diazepam is a sedative-hypnotic drug in the class of drugs known as benzodiazepines, which studies have shown can trigger aggressive behavior. Chronic use or abuse of sedatives such as diazepam (Valium) can also trigger psychotic experiences" --- drugabuse.com
LVRJ article on his being prescribed Valium in June, 2017:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/...y-drug-in-june
If he was prescribed an anti-anxiety drug, well, he had a pre-exisiting issue, even if it is a common one.
I thought the same about the losing streak week prior.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
The aggression that valium causes is similar to alcohol. He ran out of his script in early August. The dose or the length of use wasn't enough to induce psychosis (from use or withdrawal).
I think it's likelier he had been feeling off for a while and was subscribed a fairly mild benzo for it. It likely had no effect for his condition.
He had a gun room in his Nevada house in 2013. So he had been collecting guns for a while. It's not really necessary he had premeditated the attack all that long. It's even possible that the hotel room in his mind was a defensive position and the reason he killed himself so soon was because he realized what he had actually done.
Dunno need more information basically. Autopsy/toxicology report, GF interviews, what was found at the scene and his properties etc. should paint a clearer picture.
Why the US won't have any meaningful change to gun control laws despite this horrific event (and others like it).
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Originally Posted by gimmickI thought the same about the losing streak week prior.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
The aggression that valium causes is similar to alcohol. He ran out of his script in early August. The dose or the length of use wasn't enough to induce psychosis (from use or withdrawal).
I think it's likelier he had been feeling off for a while and was subscribed a fairly mild benzo for it. It likely had no effect for his condition.
He had a gun room in his Nevada house in 2013. So he had been collecting guns for a while. It's not really necessary he had premeditated the attack all that long. It's even possible that the hotel room in his mind was a defensive position and the reason he killed himself so soon was because he realized what he had actually done.
Dunno need more information basically. Autopsy/toxicology report, GF interviews, what was found at the scene and his properties etc. should paint a clearer picture.
The theory isnt that psych meds necessarily induce psychosis, the theory is that it can weaken mental 'load bearing walls'. So for example if youve spent your entire life keeping an aggressive streak at bay, benzos can effectively weaken the wall holding back those urges.
Its like that theory that people who become assholes while drunk are assholes 24/7, but alcohol brings out their true colors.
It may not be true 100 times out of 100 but when you apply those physics to the narrative we have regarding Paddock, everything falls completely into place.
The problem isn't getting a "higher score" its getting away with it alive, or without the plan failing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SetofKsNobody here would've thought to spray down on a outdoor concert from inside a suite. I didn't even realize that was possible. I think its brilliant. I'm surprised a 64 year old came up with that, and all this. My dads a few years older than that, and he forget things, and falls asleep while hes driving. But, now that we see his playbook, yes we could've pulled it off, maybe. But the guy has the all time mass shooting record for kills in this country for a reason. I doubt anybody here could top it if they wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
That said it does sound to me like he killed himself after 10 minutes, but swat didn't arrive to his room for an hour. Any idea why he killed himself so early? Sounds like he could've got a lot more kills if he wanted to.
As others have pointed out it would have only taken a maid checking the room, a bellhop seeing lots of luggage going in and out, the desk clerk noticing he checked in under a different name for the attack to have potentially been foiled.
As Cmoney said, if Paddock had found a way to stop the fire alarms going off he probably could have gone for another 5-10 minutes:
Most people could probably come up with an effective mass shooting scenario, most people would either screw it up or not try it because they wouldn't be getting out alive.
As a sidenote, Sum of all fears had the idea of crashing a jet liner into the Capitol building, and "Lone Gunmen Club" showed how to take over a Jet and attempt o crash it into the WTC before Sept 11.
I read that a Mandalay Bay Security Guard approached the room on the 32nd floor within about 15 minutes of the start of the shooting. Paddock shot the guard through the door in the leg and then probably thought his time was up at that point because the shooting stopped shortly thereafter. SWAT arrived about 45 minutes later.Quote:
Originally Posted by SetofKsNobody here would've thought to spray down on a outdoor concert from inside a suite. I didn't even realize that was possible. I think its brilliant. I'm surprised a 64 year old came up with that, and all this. My dads a few years older than that, and he forget things, and falls asleep while hes driving. But, now that we see his playbook, yes we could've pulled it off, maybe. But the guy has the all time mass shooting record for kills in this country for a reason. I doubt anybody here could top it if they wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
That said it does sound to me like he killed himself after 10 minutes, but swat didn't arrive to his room for an hour. Any idea why he killed himself so early? Sounds like he could've got a lot more kills if he wanted to.
https://globalnews.ca/video/3781502/...security-guard
Hey I own that very shirt on the meme trollQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatineTAKE A VICTORY LAP, AMERICA!
I’m shocked tell you. But hey libs want guns banned so it’s all counter intuitive. Shoot people with guns to get guns banned. No Victory Without Sacrafice (Bonus points if anybody can expose what TV show I’m quoting)Quote:
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Originally Posted by PuppyMonkeyBabyI’m shocked tell you. But hey libs want guns banned so it’s all counter intuitive. Shoot people with guns to get guns banned. No Victory Without Sacrafice (Bonus points if anybody can expose what TV show I’m quoting)Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Its funny because it ties into what Hillary was complaining about; no matter how challenging or extreme her proposal, Bernie would just arbitrarily one-up her regardless of how ludicrous or irresponsible it was. So naturally a lot of borderline personalities gravitated to him.