What are you babbling about now, Elliot?Quote:
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What are you babbling about now, Elliot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypt
But Hillbot practically openly calling for cold war v2.0 vs Russia is coo tho?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Im not the one "babbling"
I meant she copped to it tonight. She didnt squirm her way out of it, or say "That's business!", or that she was "taking advantage of the law". She just took the hit and admitted she fucked up.
But why are you so terribly obsessed with getting more than that from a case where no charges were filed? Why arent you focusing this burning thirst for truth on Trump's lawsuits for racism, history of tax evasion, dozens of lawsuits, and documented rape charges?
That's where I get really and genuinely confused about the motives at bar.
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Originally Posted by gutBut Hillbot practically openly calling for cold war v2.0 vs Russia is coo tho?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Sir, respectfully, that ship sailed the second we put those missile defense bases in Poland.
Russia thinks it can 'do business' with Trump, eg get Trump to disavow our NATO commitments in exchange for god knows what. Hillary is not going to let that happen, and its extremely important to our economic ties with Europe that we fly that flag.
Trump would sell out NATO for a fucking tax break on Trump Tower Moscow in the blink of an eye, then tell everyone how many jobs he created while Russian tanks flatten Tblisi.
You seem to be writing this as if I'm defending Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I just wrote a long essay about all the ways he screwed up in the debate while mostly praising Hillary's performance, so there is no agenda here.
The lack of charges filed against her for the e-mail scandal were more political than anything else. Comey probably didn't want to be the one deciding the Presidential election, and he was also likely under pressure from the DOJ to drop it, as that's a very partisan office.
They had more than enough evidence against her to charge her, and he even outlined this evidence before dropping the bomb that there would be no charges.
Bottom line is that this is very worthy of discussion at a Presidential debate, and more than just "I did it, I shouldn't have, let's move on."
If you are a Trump fan or at least hate Hillary... or even if you love her and want to see the opposing script this is just must watch shit. Five hours of Alex Jones getting in every possible position to take Trump's dick. Thee actual debate starts somewhere in the middle. He basically shit talks Hillary throughout the whole thing in real time while never saying one thing critical of Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjYrJueWwU8
I wish I saw how this happened over the last few years. Blows my mind thinking about selling a group of people that have been told for 15 years that the establishment is completely impenetrable for anyone to break into that isn't part of the club that Trump is suddenly the guy that did it.
Yup....and there are MANY examples of low-level dweebs making a simple error with classified info and being sent to MP/fed prison or losing their jobs. When you are a current member of the American oligarchy though.....meh, just brush it under the table. "I DUNT UNDERSTAND THEM TECH-CYBER THINGS DURRR....ELECT ME PRESIDENT!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffYou seem to be writing this as if I'm defending Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I just wrote a long essay about all the ways he screwed up in the debate while mostly praising Hillary's performance, so there is no agenda here.
The lack of charges filed against her for the e-mail scandal were more political than anything else. Comey probably didn't want to be the one deciding the Presidential election, and he was also likely under pressure from the DOJ to drop it, as that's a very partisan office.
They had more than enough evidence against her to charge her, and he even outlined this evidence before dropping the bomb that there would be no charges.
Bottom line is that this is very worthy of discussion at a Presidential debate, and more than just "I did it, I shouldn't have, let's move on."
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffYou seem to be writing this as if I'm defending Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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I just wrote a long essay about all the ways he screwed up in the debate while mostly praising Hillary's performance, so there is no agenda here.
The lack of charges filed against her for the e-mail scandal were more political than anything else. Comey probably didn't want to be the one deciding the Presidential election, and he was also likely under pressure from the DOJ to drop it, as that's a very partisan office.
They had more than enough evidence against her to charge her, and he even outlined this evidence before dropping the bomb that there would be no charges.
Bottom line is that this is very worthy of discussion at a Presidential debate, and more than just "I did it, I shouldn't have, let's move on."
The reason why this didnt happen is because Donald knows that every ounce of shade he throws at Hillary over her past failures is going to open the door to his own failures, which outnumber hers something like 50-1 at this point. So if he asks the moderator to stay on topic about email for say, 5 or 10 minutes, we can expect to spend 5 or 10 minutes on things that are considerably worse than her deleting emails or running a private server. Things that the United State government itself took exception with and sanctioned him over. So yeah, thats not a great line for him. Not much end game there.
Oh and also because Hillary has a great team that did an amazing job of showing her how to tilt Simple Donald into becoming a stammering wreck.
Do us all a favor and stay on your hamster wheel.Quote:
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Originally Posted by thesidedish
can you even afford the poison for your koolaid at this point?
your messiah caked it. even his precious troll army is turning against him.
http://i.imgur.com/4XkrMhh.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlxz6_wj_TY
Buck Sexton (who sounds like a cross between a porn star and Mike Sexton) had a very similar take on the debate to mine:
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Trump needs stronger showing next time
The conventional wisdom going into the first debate was that Donald Trump would have to tone it down and appear more presidential. Trump definitely took a more staid and steadied approach, but it didn't work. His bravado and charm were largely absent from the stage. Trump the showman can dance around policy pitfalls and distract from some of his less than successful business dealings. Sedate Donald had far fewer tools at his disposal, and looked like he couldn't wait for the 90-minute snooze-fest to end.
Hillary Clinton didn't give a memorable performance, but she didn't have to. Most Americans expect Madame Secretary to drone on, joylessly, about policy, and wave her curriculum vitae like a club against her enemies. She met expectations, which was enough, and during some of the actual policy exchanges clearly had the upper hand on knowledge and background.
Trump had huge areas of vulnerability to exploit in his opponent, and he barely touched her on them -- from Benghazi to her emails to the allegations of Clinton Foundation corruption. He will need a much stronger showing in his next debate or this thing will be over long before November.
Here's a bunch of opinions about the debate from various columnists: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/opinio...dup/index.html
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Originally Posted by gutYup....and there are MANY examples of low-level dweebs making a simple error with classified info and being sent to MP/fed prison or losing their jobs. When you are a current member of the American oligarchy though.....meh, just brush it under the table. "I DUNT UNDERSTAND THEM TECH-CYBER THINGS DURRR....ELECT ME PRESIDENT!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Please, name one.
Because I do those audits for a living and I cant think of anyone whose been taken to task over this sort of shit unless they had an agenda hostile to the republic.
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Originally Posted by 4DragonsDo us all a favor and stay on your hamster wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlxz6_wj_TY
http://i.imgur.com/JM8Sbjy.jpg
Trump debates like a retarded 5th grader, and still 64% of cnbc viewers/readers, think trump won.
But i guess in a "democratic" society, only the pundits opinions count, you know some of the same pundits that dismissed trump from the beginning, saying he would never win a primary let alone the presidency.
Let's all keep valuing the opinions of people that continue to get it wrong. Seems like a good way to go about life.
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My only takeaway from it was that he was more concerned about his positioning than anything else. I don't mean positioning about climate change or how to deal with terrorists, but positioning in that he can't be tied to any of the miserable fuckups of any democrat or republican politicians, and therefore vote for the devil you don't know, not the devil you really, really know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintjewlips
This. I don't think Trump had a particularly good debate but he still wiped the floor with her. This format really sucked for the Don. He really sucks at speaking but he's a very good counterpuncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintjewlips
trump hammering her with her 30-years in washington was a super-effective attack during the first 10 minutes of the debate.
then hillary ponted out the size of his hands and he ignored everything his debate preppers told him to do
This is common knowledge. I'm not gonna google bitch it for you.Quote:
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Originally Posted by gut
Please, name one.
Because I do those audits for a living and I cant think of anyone whose been taken to task over this sort of shit unless they had an agenda hostile to the republic.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Which debate were you watching?
They quickly touched upon the e-mail at the beginning (only because Trump brought it up), and then the discussion died after a very unsatisfying and insincere answer by Hillary.
The moderator didn't even ask about it.
It was also pretty unfair to ask Trump about his tax returns, but not a single question to Hillary about her arguably worse lack of transparency.
And what about the transcripts of her speeches to the big banks for $250k each. Wonder what she told them that is different than she's telling us? But hey, don't look there, look over here.
Take a look at cnn this am.
90% of articles are about Trump.
No such thing as bad press. Sure he got owned in the second half but everyone is talking about him not her.
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I would say he needs to work on his basic debate skills. She basically called him a racist, a tax cheat, a poor businessman, a liar etc. and he ended up on the defense and taking it up the poop shoot the entire time. When he did have a chance to talk he rambled and couldn't even fill his allowed time. His statement about his 10 year old son sounded like gramps. His birther defense was LOL. Back to the drawing board. He needs to tell stories and better articulate Hillary's faults. Could he have done any worse on the email issue? He had a few sentences on it and just dropped it. On the birther thing, he let the moderator and Hillary frame the entire issue and then spent all the time on Sydney Blumenthal. On the war and howard stern he failed to point out that Hillary was in power and voted for the war. wtf. talk to shaun hannity is your defense? again basic debate technique, re frame the question and attack. come on man.
Majority of snap polls show Trump won debate by a landslide despite CNN's overwhelming victory for Hillary in biggest official survey
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...landslide.html
- CNN's snap poll gave Clinton the win with 62 per cent to Trump's 27
- But most of the others reported Trump was the winner by a landslide
- The pair engaged in a vigorous back-and-forth at Hofstra University
- Here, we present the results from snap polls conducted after the debate
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CNN awarded Hillary Clinton an overwhelming victory in the first presidential debate - but most snap polls show Trump emerged victorious.
Trump and Clinton tangled over the economy, her use of a private mail server and his unwillingness to release his income tax returns on Monday night.
They engaged in a vigorous back-and-forth on the debate stage at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, as polls showed them locked in a tight race.
However, after the debate's end, polls conducted by a number of media websites showed their readers felt the real estate mogul came out on top.
Trump acknowledged the result, tweeting: 'Wow, did great in the debate polls (except for @CNN - which I don't watch). Thank you!'
CNN/ORC's snap poll, gave Clinton the win with 62 per cent to Trump's 27.
It was the biggest, and fastest, exercise conducted by an opinion polling firm.
The poll of 521 registered voters who watched the debate was a sample which the network warned leaned more Democratic than the average - starting the night with Clinton ahead 26 per cent among the sample.
And while it handed the victory overwhelmingly to Clinton, it was more mixed on whether the debate will make a difference, with 47 per cent saying it would not affect their vote, 34 per cent saying it moved them towards Clinton - and 18 per cent towards Trump.
Online polls carried out afterwards gave a different outcome - handing the title to Trump.
Such polls are self-selecting, and more likely to pick up the views of those who vote, although CNN's study also reflected a similar bias.
The Drudge Report's poll showed Trump fared better with 81.5 per cent of the vote to Clinton's 18.5 while others, including Time, CBS New York and the Washington Times, also saw Trump win the vote.
Clinton edged out Trump in the Star Tribune's poll and one conducted by NBC News.
You're on the wrong side of history mumblesSadly.
aren't these snap polls easy to manipulate? give it a few days and we will see what the real polls say. of course most of those "real" polls are 1000 people.
In college I worked for 2 weeks at one of the pollster companies. Horrible job, as the abuse you take calling people even for a political poll was high. ( I was a kid and easily upset, so if anyone was too rude, I would call them back all night and yell at them). It took a lot of sweet talking (which was frowned upon as you had to go off script) to get anyone to participate.
/pol/ fuckery on those online polls, also keep in mind news websites/comment sections are basically dominated by white male news junkies, the hardcore kind that listen to talk radio who tend to have conservative views
i really wouldn't put any weight into those polls
like I said a few pages ago, Trump lost the debate
it was actually probably the most clear 'loss' of a presidential debate I've ever seen, and I've watched every one since dukakis
not saying I like Hillary better, I don't, but Trump looked like a fucking idiot for the majority of the debate
i think that the liberals are misjudging how trump did at this debate. there is only one small segment of voters that actually matter at this point -- white college educated people. this group is pre-disposed to voting republican and has done so in every election since the 1950s. romney won this group by 14 points last election.
for the first time in ages, the democrat, hillary, is winning this group. if that reverses, trump would win in a landslide.
hillary is a skilled debater and is very smart. donald's not going to "beat" her in a conventional sense, and he definitely didn't do so last night. but i really don't think he has to. he just has to convince the white college edcuated crowd, who would ordinarily vote reupblican anyway, that he is not a danger to the country. he definitely lost his composure in the second half of the debate, but my sense is that it was not so bad that he won't pick up some of this white college educated crowd. it'll be interesting to see next week's polls.
The difference between a Romney candidacy and Trump's is that nobody was excited in the least for Romney and everyone stayed home in droves. I expect this years voter turnout to be bigger than what we've seen in many moons.Quote:
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If Trump won that debate I think it must have been in some parallel universe. The tax return stuff really made him look bad. He has no actual answer for this. Hillary is not that great at debating as proof by her losses to Obama and to some degree Bernie. Trump is just that bad.... every time he would interrupt her and say he never said that or that it was a lie, it was a perfect indicator that he totally did say it and that it was completely true. He made himself look like a pissed off teenager. People with great temperament don't need to tell you or convince you of their excellent temperament.
It's not a hard evaluation. The Trump campaign doesn't think he won the debate.
Rudy says he shouldn't do any more debates and Trump complained that his mic was defective. Even Laura Ingraham said Trump missed opportunities, and the theme of talk radio is that the moderator was unfair.
I know the Trumpkins buy into the talk radio/breibart/fox narrative with gusto, but even they should be able to easily read between the lines on this one.
Yeah, that's not true. 2012 was somewhere in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsThe difference between a Romney candidacy and Trump's is that nobody was excited in the least for Romney and everyone stayed home in droves. I expect this years voter turnout to be bigger than what we've seen in many moons.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php
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Originally Posted by ToasterOven
The thing is that the bar for Trump to 'win' the debate was pretty low. I think most people just wanted to see if he looked 'Presidential' and for the most part he did. Hillary's tone is always so grating that the feeling that I get watching her is that of a grandmother that just scolded you for not putting your socks in the hamper.
Even I know Trump got owned last night
Snap online polls are about useless. Trump's reddit page probably organized a mass vote. Even if he did win, and he clearly didn't, their defensiveness the day after would erase it anyway. Hillary may get a slight bump by taking some Johnson/Stein voters back with her decent performance, but I don't think the debates mean all that much. Romney beat Obama by at least as much in their first debate in 2012, and it didn't move the needle significantly.
I'd like to think as least some Trump leaners would say to themselves, "If he can't even care enough to do any debate preparation, how can he be expected to be a prepared president", but I know that nothing matters.
Do you actually believe he won the debate?Quote:
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Originally Posted by ToasterOven
The thing is that the bar for Trump to 'win' the debate was pretty low. I think most people just wanted to see if he looked 'Presidential' and for the most part he did. Hillary's tone is always so grating that the feeling that I get watching her is that of a grandmother that just scolded you for not putting your socks in the hamper.
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