2.2 trillion tax cut didn't helpQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Trump didn't cause historic deficits. I know you hate the guy and feel vindicated today, but don't rewrite history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
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2.2 trillion tax cut didn't helpQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffTrump didn't cause historic deficits. I know you hate the guy and feel vindicated today, but don't rewrite history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Orly? The numbers disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffTrump didn't cause historic deficits. I know you hate the guy and feel vindicated today, but don't rewrite history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
It’s late. But this is a layup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffTrump didn't cause historic deficits. I know you hate the guy and feel vindicated today, but don't rewrite history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
This was despite his nonsense about balancing the budgetQuote:
Oct. 25, 2019 at 3:28 p.m. EDT
The U.S. government’s budget deficit ballooned to nearly $1 trillion in 2019, the Treasury Department announced Friday, as the United States’ fiscal imbalance widened for a fourth consecutive year despite a sustained run of economic growth. The deficit grew $205 billion, or 26 percent, in the past year.
Was on track to be lower than Obama's previous term, until COVID.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarIt’s late. But this is a layup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
This was despite his nonsense about balancing the budgetQuote:
Oct. 25, 2019 at 3:28 p.m. EDT
The U.S. government’s budget deficit ballooned to nearly $1 trillion in 2019, the Treasury Department announced Friday, as the United States’ fiscal imbalance widened for a fourth consecutive year despite a sustained run of economic growth. The deficit grew $205 billion, or 26 percent, in the past year.
Trump's policies didn't cause increased deficits.
Nice try.
Sure if you go out of your way to cherry pick the stat that supports you alternative history. Or just look at the last 4 Obama years that Trump inherited and compare it to his 4 years without covid...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWas on track to be lower than Obama's previous term, until COVID.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Trump's policies didn't cause increased deficits.
Nice try.
2013 4.1% Sequester
2014 2.8% Debt ceiling crisis
2015 2.4% TPP, Iran deal
2016 3.1% Presidential race
2017 3.4% Trump Tax Act
2018 3.8% Deficit spending
2019 4.6% Government shutdown
2020 4.8% Budget before COVID-19
...deficit as percentage of GDP.
Actually that's not even the right cherry picked stat. You wanna go with comparing the first Obama term with Trumps.
You posted an interesting essay from the Spectator “From Cool to Cringe”. This had to have been written by a boomer who viewed the world post 50’s and 60’s in decline. What was declining was the middle class.
The great problem in post war America has always revolves around income distribution.
During the 90’s it got particularly bad. One way to deal with that short of improving incomes was to democratize credit. People would “feel” wealthier. People who could not get credit before now could by easily leveraging the asset that was their home. That didn’t work out. It just spawned the subprime financial problem that we spent the last 15 years attempting and failing to recover from.
The underlying problem of the financial crisis was bad income distribution.
The income distribution problem remained, of course. Steve Bannon had a rap about how to apeal to the downtrodden. We didn’t jail any bankers and virtually wrote the script for him. It worked. Trump gets elected but absolutely nothing happened except a further acceleration of wealth redistribution to the few. Bannon was bounced as his usefulness expired. The Trump deficit spending didn’t end up in the pockets of the middle class.
Fast forward a few years and now the Democrats are going to appeal to the have nots in the fashion you would expect.
There is of course, no solution to the declining middle class in America. The 50’s and 60’s were an extraordinary & unique period.
Look at the way people lived in the 20’s & 30’s. Perhaps you would like to scroll back further. Life has always been unfair for most of history. Thus political paradigms come and go as do the promises.
Do I hate Trump? Do I feel vindicated? I’m a realist. I foretold his end, yes. He had low moral character. He was unintelligent. He did not surround himself with smart advisors to bolster his shortcomings. He was dangerous. He could not cope with a crisis. You could not risk him facing another perhaps more serious challenge.
Worst of all, he had no empathy as Brad Parscale pointed out. This, Parscale claimed, was the minimum required to win a landslide victory. I agree. You dismissively chimed in that Parscale was a “serial scammer”. Trump was not? Parscale was gifted in many regards and frankly is more responsible for Trump winning on the night of Nov 3rd 2016 than any other human.
Trump was proven to be a dope who developed coping mechanisms like narcissism and cared not for country or even his party.
By the way, and to further illustrate my claim.... I just read that Albertsons in the great state of California shit-canned their union delivery people in favor of gig delivery.
Give them an $8 tip.
Why go with the first Obama term? The closest comparison is between the last 2 Presidential terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickSure if you go out of your way to cherry pick the stat that supports you alternative history. Or just look at the last 4 Obama years that Trump inherited and compare it to his 4 years without covid...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWas on track to be lower than Obama's previous term, until COVID.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Trump's policies didn't cause increased deficits.
Nice try.
2013 4.1% Sequester
2014 2.8% Debt ceiling crisis
2015 2.4% TPP, Iran deal
2016 3.1% Presidential race
2017 3.4% Trump Tax Act
2018 3.8% Deficit spending
2019 4.6% Government shutdown
2020 4.8% Budget before COVID-19
...deficit as percentage of GDP.
Actually that's not even the right cherry picked stat. You wanna go with comparing the first Obama term with Trumps.
Ignoring the final year because of the unprecedented COVID situation is totally reasonable. That's not "cherry picking". This massive spending in 2020 would have occurred under any President.
Trump was a narcissist who only cared about himself. That's the only part of the above which is more than blather. I already stated that I didn't like Trump's behavior or his personality, aside from his willingness to stand up to the obnoxious and increasingly radical left. I've stated that for 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
However, policy-wise, it was standard modern Republican fare. I can argue for 3 pages with gimmick about deficits, or we can simply agree upon the obvious fact that Trump basically governed the way most Republicans would have from 2017-2019 (we'll ignored COVID 2020). That's why, when there was quiet and internal grumbling about Trump within the GOP, it was never about policy. Almost every conservative was largely happy with Trump's policy. Many weren't happy with his behavior. Your nostalgic musings about the 1950s simply are not relevant.
Something that has irritated me about your political takes in the past few years is that you've either gone hard left, or are afraid to express criticism of Democrats. Go back and read your political posts. Almost all are critical of Trump and the GOP, and virtually nothing critical of the left, even the insane AOC wing of the modern left. This is from the guy who once mocked me for preferring light regulation over deregulation. How the mighty free marketers have fallen!
Look, if Trump emotionally wrecked you like he did rum dick, and suddenly you completely switched your political and life views because of Bad Orange Man, that's fine. Just admit it. Rum dick did, before he traveled to Tulsa to die of COVID.
But if you really are a sensible centrist who hates Trump but also thinks today's left is insane, it would be nice to see you piping up about that side, as well.
I do appreciate your sports takes, though, even the ones bashing the Dodgers.
But in most other wealthy democracies the income gap is not nearly as large, or growing, as it is in America. If they can prevent this then so can we.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Going with Obama's first term is the only one that makes Trump look "good".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWhy go with the first Obama term? The closest comparison is between the last 2 Presidential terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickSure if you go out of your way to cherry pick the stat that supports you alternative history. Or just look at the last 4 Obama years that Trump inherited and compare it to his 4 years without covid...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
2013 4.1% Sequester
2014 2.8% Debt ceiling crisis
2015 2.4% TPP, Iran deal
2016 3.1% Presidential race
2017 3.4% Trump Tax Act
2018 3.8% Deficit spending
2019 4.6% Government shutdown
2020 4.8% Budget before COVID-19
...deficit as percentage of GDP.
Actually that's not even the right cherry picked stat. You wanna go with comparing the first Obama term with Trumps.
Ignoring the final year because of the unprecedented COVID situation is totally reasonable. That's not "cherry picking". This massive spending in 2020 would have occurred under any President.
There's no reason to ignore the final year when we know what the projected budget was. That 4.8% figure is just that. Covid changed it to 17% or something in that ballpark.
The takeaway is Trump wasn't on track to lower deficit even without covid. If you want to erase 2020 because reasons the average deficit is still bigger for Trump's 3 years vs Obama's 4 years.
Daly,Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakThere are different degrees of criminality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
Did Jesus Christ answer you?
After further reflection, considering that it is not actually wartime, I agree with you that I can't support capital punishment for these insurrectionists. But they must serve long prison terms.
We are dealing with the same range here between him and Obama. Modern US government has been doing deficit spending. This isn't a feature of Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickGoing with Obama's first term is the only one that makes Trump look "good".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWhy go with the first Obama term? The closest comparison is between the last 2 Presidential terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Ignoring the final year because of the unprecedented COVID situation is totally reasonable. That's not "cherry picking". This massive spending in 2020 would have occurred under any President.
There's no reason to ignore the final year when we know what the projected budget was. That 4.8% figure is just that. Covid changed it to 17% or something in that ballpark.
The takeaway is Trump wasn't on track to lower deficit even without covid. If you want to erase 2020 because reasons the average deficit is still bigger for Trump's 3 years vs Obama's 4 years.
Sure, Trump made some promises about it, but he didn't center his campaign around deficits, and honestly he kept or attempted to keep more promises than any modern President.
Even if you want to deny all of the above, you're getting way off the rails from my original claim to Sanlmar -- that Trump governed in a similar fashion (minus his personality issues) to the way other modern Republican Presidents would have.
Even today, with many Republicans unhappy with him (myself included), you're not seeing attacks on his policy -- only his behavior.
You may not agree with Trump's policy, but it was pretty standard 2010s GOP. At the same time, he was able to keep us out of any new wars, and his foreign policy decisions basically worked out.
It's easy to rewrite Trump's history as President because of the way it ended, and because of his troubled personality. It's similar to how people are rewriting Guiliani's glorious history in NYC, because of his embarrassing recent behavior as a senile Trump lackey.
Trump was a pleasant surprise to me regarding how he governed. Many of my quiet fears didn't come true, and many good things I didn't expect actually happened. Unfortunately, he did live up to my fears about his behavior, and in the past 2 months, he exceeded them.
BTW, the above is why those grifters at The Lincoln Project had such a hard time attacking Trump on policy. They really couldn't come up with anything which fit the mold of, "We're conservatives who hate Trump for X and Y policy decisions", so instead they defaulted to left wing talking points. Which was hilarious given that such criticism were coming from "Republicans".
They had plenty of material about his behavior, but totally struck out from the policy perspective. So they shrugged their shoulders and said, "Okay, let's just attack his policy from the left. It'll get all the gullible libs donating to us because we're speaking their language."
And boy did that ever work.
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Yea i don't think saying Trump's deficit spending was historic is accurate. It just wasn't on track to be lower than Obama's. Covid had nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWe are dealing with the same range here between him and Obama. Modern US government has been doing deficit spending. This isn't a feature of Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickGoing with Obama's first term is the only one that makes Trump look "good".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
There's no reason to ignore the final year when we know what the projected budget was. That 4.8% figure is just that. Covid changed it to 17% or something in that ballpark.
The takeaway is Trump wasn't on track to lower deficit even without covid. If you want to erase 2020 because reasons the average deficit is still bigger for Trump's 3 years vs Obama's 4 years.
Sure, Trump made some promises about it, but he didn't center his campaign around deficits, and honestly he kept or attempted to keep more promises than any modern President.
Even if you want to deny all of the above, you're getting way off the rails from my original claim to Sanlmar -- that Trump governed in a similar fashion (minus his personality issues) to the way other modern Republican Presidents would have.
Even today, with many Republicans unhappy with him (myself included), you're not seeing attacks on his policy -- only his behavior.
You may not agree with Trump's policy, but it was pretty standard 2010s GOP. At the same time, he was able to keep us out of any new wars, and his foreign policy decisions basically worked out.
It's easy to rewrite Trump's history as President because of the way it ended, and because of his troubled personality. It's similar to how people are rewriting Guiliani's glorious history in NYC, because of his embarrassing recent behavior as a senile Trump lackey.
Trump was a pleasant surprise to me regarding how he governed. Many of my quiet fears didn't come true, and many good things I didn't expect actually happened. Unfortunately, he did live up to my fears about his behavior, and in the past 2 months, he exceeded them.
Than you don't know Mitt Romney.Quote:
On a side note, I always liked Romney
He uses his faith as a shield for what he really is, a heartless capitalist who has put more Americans out of work than AOC on steroids.
Bain and Co.
Marco Rubio throwing Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, and other fellow Republicans under the bus.
Rubio is a spineless weasel, but he and Romney are correct that the way to honor your constituents is to tell them the truth. Playing along with the election fraud narrative is basically saying that you think that your followers are retards. Many of them are, but they're still going to wake up as Jan 20 approaches and realize that there is no path to victory. And some of them might recognize that you were stringing them along.
I thought it was an interesting contrast between the two Missouri senators, Hawley being the driving force behind objections from the Senate side, but Blunt being one of the tellers, which is a mostly ceremonial position that is considered an honor to participate. Hawley thinks virtue signalling to Trump cultists is the way to maintain his support, while Blunt thinks his best bet is go to the old school respectable Republican route. Or maybe both think they are bulletproof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Sanchez
Probably Hawley is doing it to occupy the Trump lane in the 2024 Republican primaries. I predict that nobody who associated themselves with this insurrection will ever be elected to a higher office than they occupy right now. Yesterday was the day of reckoning.
Sounds much more consistent, which was my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakDaly,Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
After further reflection, considering that it is not actually wartime, I agree with you that I can't support capital punishment for these insurrectionists. But they must serve long prison terms.
I think they should have open fire earlier yesterday, into the sky at first then if it kept going into the crowd. I’d apply that to all riots/insurrections once things get out of hand.
I respect either point of view just not inconsistency.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
are you lying or do you not realize that most of their ads were purely based on his behavior?
for fuck's sake, they did an ad devoted to his inability to walk down a ramp.
for all of your weird hyper-focus tendencies, this fascination of yours with the lincoln project is by far the weirdest
Real talk......
Can you Republicucks stop hoarding ammunition? A box of 9mm is fucking 60 dollars right now.
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Originally Posted by tommyt
Yessssss....love it. Demand keeps going up. Remember to only buy Smith and Wesson products though
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffWe are dealing with the same range here between him and Obama. Modern US government has been doing deficit spending. This isn't a feature of Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickGoing with Obama's first term is the only one that makes Trump look "good".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
There's no reason to ignore the final year when we know what the projected budget was. That 4.8% figure is just that. Covid changed it to 17% or something in that ballpark.
The takeaway is Trump wasn't on track to lower deficit even without covid. If you want to erase 2020 because reasons the average deficit is still bigger for Trump's 3 years vs Obama's 4 years.
Sure, Trump made some promises about it, but he didn't center his campaign around deficits, and honestly he kept or attempted to keep more promises than any modern President.
Even if you want to deny all of the above, you're getting way off the rails from my original claim to Sanlmar -- that Trump governed in a similar fashion (minus his personality issues) to the way other modern Republican Presidents would have.
Even today, with many Republicans unhappy with him (myself included), you're not seeing attacks on his policy -- only his behavior.
You may not agree with Trump's policy, but it was pretty standard 2010s GOP. At the same time, he was able to keep us out of any new wars, and his foreign policy decisions basically worked out.
It's easy to rewrite Trump's history as President because of the way it ended, and because of his troubled personality. It's similar to how people are rewriting Guiliani's glorious history in NYC, because of his embarrassing recent behavior as a senile Trump lackey.
Trump was a pleasant surprise to me regarding how he governed. Many of my quiet fears didn't come true, and many good things I didn't expect actually happened. Unfortunately, he did live up to my fears about his behavior, and in the past 2 months, he exceeded them.
just fyi, you're a complete embarrassment for ever supporting him. the fact that you only now realize that maybe trump's a psycho is just so sad and yet so predictable.
you're like lindsey graham and bill barr and, now that the trump era is over, you can come out and "be brave" and say that what trump is doing is wrong. just fucking lol
you voted for someone you believe has a serious personality disorder. there's no rationalizing that. you should be humiliated by it
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Originally Posted by blakeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWe are dealing with the same range here between him and Obama. Modern US government has been doing deficit spending. This isn't a feature of Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Sure, Trump made some promises about it, but he didn't center his campaign around deficits, and honestly he kept or attempted to keep more promises than any modern President.
Even if you want to deny all of the above, you're getting way off the rails from my original claim to Sanlmar -- that Trump governed in a similar fashion (minus his personality issues) to the way other modern Republican Presidents would have.
Even today, with many Republicans unhappy with him (myself included), you're not seeing attacks on his policy -- only his behavior.
You may not agree with Trump's policy, but it was pretty standard 2010s GOP. At the same time, he was able to keep us out of any new wars, and his foreign policy decisions basically worked out.
It's easy to rewrite Trump's history as President because of the way it ended, and because of his troubled personality. It's similar to how people are rewriting Guiliani's glorious history in NYC, because of his embarrassing recent behavior as a senile Trump lackey.
Trump was a pleasant surprise to me regarding how he governed. Many of my quiet fears didn't come true, and many good things I didn't expect actually happened. Unfortunately, he did live up to my fears about his behavior, and in the past 2 months, he exceeded them.
just fyi, you're a complete embarrassment for ever supporting him. the fact that you only now realize that maybe trump's a psycho is just so sad and yet so predictable.
you're like lindsey graham and bill barr and, now that the trump era is over, you can come out and "be brave" and say that what trump is doing is wrong. just fucking lol
you voted for someone you believe has a serious personality disorder. there's no rationalizing that. you should be humiliated by it
give it a rest dude, BINDEN won
OSA: dont think it was as evident as it is now
but there are hundreds, maybe thousands of posts on this very site where we pointed out in pornographic detail exactly how mentally unstable trump was, he's been diagnosed many times over by actual whole assed psychologists.
for years.
none of this was some left field shocker.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
I feel when you aren't a politician or hold office, you are held to a different standard and can say things that normally would be diagnosed as such.
https://i.imgur.com/Wqk2FGn.jpg
wait wait wait.
can someone with parler confirm this is real?
because imagine.. if you will... _dying_ for donald trump literally, and then having this get posted about you.
I stated in 2015 that I had lots of concerns about his personality and didn't support him. I also refused to vote for him in 2016. This is all well documented here.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWe are dealing with the same range here between him and Obama. Modern US government has been doing deficit spending. This isn't a feature of Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Sure, Trump made some promises about it, but he didn't center his campaign around deficits, and honestly he kept or attempted to keep more promises than any modern President.
Even if you want to deny all of the above, you're getting way off the rails from my original claim to Sanlmar -- that Trump governed in a similar fashion (minus his personality issues) to the way other modern Republican Presidents would have.
Even today, with many Republicans unhappy with him (myself included), you're not seeing attacks on his policy -- only his behavior.
You may not agree with Trump's policy, but it was pretty standard 2010s GOP. At the same time, he was able to keep us out of any new wars, and his foreign policy decisions basically worked out.
It's easy to rewrite Trump's history as President because of the way it ended, and because of his troubled personality. It's similar to how people are rewriting Guiliani's glorious history in NYC, because of his embarrassing recent behavior as a senile Trump lackey.
Trump was a pleasant surprise to me regarding how he governed. Many of my quiet fears didn't come true, and many good things I didn't expect actually happened. Unfortunately, he did live up to my fears about his behavior, and in the past 2 months, he exceeded them.
just fyi, you're a complete embarrassment for ever supporting him. the fact that you only now realize that maybe trump's a psycho is just so sad and yet so predictable.
you're like lindsey graham and bill barr and, now that the trump era is over, you can come out and "be brave" and say that what trump is doing is wrong. just fucking lol
you voted for someone you believe has a serious personality disorder. there's no rationalizing that. you should be humiliated by it
I did like how he governed from 2017-19, though I wasn't happy with his personal behavior. Still was far better than the alternative. Hillary was just as shady, but would have gone along with the left wing of her party a lot more than you probably think. Policy-wise, there's no question I would have preferred Trump, even in hindsight.
In 2020, he didn't do a great job with COVID, but neither would any Democrat. Hillary's messaging would have been better, but recall that Democrats spent all of February whining about xenophobia, and telling us that's worse than the virus. I can pull up tweets from incoming Biden Administration guys if you want.
The "if we had only worn masks, we'd be way better off" is bullshit, because the people refusing to wear masks aren't really doing so because Trump wouldn't. But even if Trump could have made more masking happen, COVID spread is far more complicated than just masking, hence why mask-compliant places like California are getting hit hard now, and mask-resistant places like Norway are not. It's not just "wear a mask, you're safe". Social distancing and staying home is far more important than masking, so if you wear a mask but then believe it entitles you to go out and do stuff, you're actually worsening the problem.
Bottom line is that Trump didn't really fuck up anything major until the final two months -- when he wouldn't accept the loss, and pushed nonsense conspiracy theories, eventually resulting in what happened on January 6. I realized that this sort of thing was a risk to happen, but since you only get two choices for President, in 2020 I still voted for the one I'd rather see in office.
I was never a MAGA guy, and I was critical of Trump here both before and after he was elected. I was also supportive of him when I felt he deserved support or defense from unfair criticism. I'm not one of the staunch MAGA guys who jumped ship a few days ago, and you know it.
You can't be serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Trump has been fucking things up since day one.
You need to read this book.
https://www.amazon.com/Indisputable-.../dp/B07DWFH672
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61JAxuiwmnL.jpg
Honestly makes voting for him after four years of complete retardation and authoritarianism tendencies even more humiliating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI stated in 2015 that I had lots of concerns about his personality and didn't support him. I also refused to vote for him in 2016. This is all well documented here.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
just fyi, you're a complete embarrassment for ever supporting him. the fact that you only now realize that maybe trump's a psycho is just so sad and yet so predictable.
you're like lindsey graham and bill barr and, now that the trump era is over, you can come out and "be brave" and say that what trump is doing is wrong. just fucking lol
you voted for someone you believe has a serious personality disorder. there's no rationalizing that. you should be humiliated by it
Every single sign was readily there that he was a mentally unstable racist lunatic, especially after four years.
Shame.
lol at certain idiots here saying that I'm a hypocritical MAGA guy jumping off the train when convenient
I only...
- Bashed Trump during the 2015/2016 primary season, and said I dreaded him being the nominee
- Sat out the 2016 Prez election by voting for a third party candidate in protest to liking neither
- Was derided as a RINO by various Trump supporters over the last 5 years
- Repeatedly criticized Trump's behavior on Twitter and when he said/did stupid things
- Repeatedly criticized a lot of his actions during COVID, including his messaging
- Immediately stated that I felt Biden won at the same time Democrats and the media were claiming it
- Stated the entire time that the "stolen election" stuff was BS, and sharply criticized Trump for going that route
So how am I a MAGA guy again? Go through my posting history here and my radio shows with political segments, and you'll see/hear all of the above.
The reason a lot of you don't remember this stuff is because I also spent a lot of time defending Trump when he deserved defending -- basically when the dishonest left-wing media constantly trashed him and warped anything he did to be evil.
However, when he did or said something stupid, I never denied it. In fact, when I agreed Trump was wrong, then the libs here screamed, "THEN HOW COME YOU STILL SUPPORT HIM???????", as if I was just supposed to abruptly switch my politics to the other side, rum dick style (RIP).
Basically nobody here was going to be happy unless I renounced all of my conservative views and joined the glorious, sensitive left.
Afyer being too distasteful for you in 2016, he racked up 100+ more unconscionable, indefensible decisions, thereby earning your vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You voted for an authoritarian lunatic who just commandeered an army of retards to overthrow the government and has decimated your party.
Sorry, but most of his decisions pre-COVID were very standard Republican fare for the late 2010s.
This is why Never Trump GOP types only attacked his behavior, not his policy.
Also how is Team Retard feeling about labeling every insane remark and unhinged decision as TDS and Orange Man Bad?
Aged rather poorly post-GOP team Retard terrorist coup attempt?
You never saw this coming. Many did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
There were no policy decisions worth this price or the damage to the party.
I voted for him and was mortified this year and spoke out. Much louder than you
When have you spoken out against the left in the past few years?Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarYou never saw this coming. Many did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
There were no policy decisions worth this price or the damage to the party.
I voted for him and was mortified this year and spoke out. Much louder than you
Seems to me you just switched sides.
The left was pretty well covered here in an extreme way. AOC and all that just is what it’s is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWhen have you spoken out against the left in the past few years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Seems to me you just switched sides.
My alarm lay with Trump. I had fun trying to amp up your concern. It was the easier and more rewarding play tbh in the context of PFA
This ain’t the tea party, for instance.
you just don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWhen have you spoken out against the left in the past few years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Seems to me you just switched sides.
a normal person who recognizes trump is a sociopath wouldn't constantly whatabout when faced with trump's insanity. not every critique of trump needs a qualification about the left. if you think that we need equal time to bash the left when trump is literally trying to destroy the country, i just don't know what to say.
your standard canned response to any trump criticism is "i have said many times i disapprove of what trump did. that being said, the left..."
it's really nauseating
you are the worst kind of enabler for team retard. you are just constantly deflecting for him
as recent as a couple of weeks ago, you were totally dismissive of trump's rants that the election was "stolen" from him -- even mocking liberals for being outraged about it.
jesus did that age poorly
absolutely nothing changed in his rhetoric since that time, but suddenly that same behavior is a bridge too far for you.
just what the fuck
Were Trump’s decisions to repeatedly obstruct justice before and during the Mueller probe “very standard Republican fare”?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
And what about Trump’s repeatedly siding and defending the actions of a major hostile government against the advice and warnings of the US government’s highly experienced intelligence community regarding the threat that hostile government posed?
And what about Trump’s corrupt attempt to extort support from a key foreign ally to manufacture political dirt on a key political opponent by withholding highly important Congressionally-mandated foreign aid when that ally was in the middle of a war with that key hostile foreign government?
And what Trump’s repeated attempts to cover up that corrupt act, including attempting to influence and intimidate witnesses, as well as punish them professionally as soon as it was politically safe to do so?
And what about Trump using the power of his position as POTUS to channel hundreds of millions of dollars of government expenditures to his family’s businesses, including getting the Air Force to change where it stops overseas for refueling on some military flights so that one of his golf resorts gets a boost in business?
All just “very standard Republican fare”?