IS SEALS WITH CLUBS DONKDOWN??? (Update: Micon charged with a felony in Nevada)

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Originally Posted by cmoney

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

BTW the search warrants with guns drawn is a lot more common than you might think. This dates back many years.

In the 1980s, a hacker friend of mine got busted. He was a minor, but that didn't stop local police from surrounding his house with guns drawn, handcuffing him, and taking all of his shit.

This was someone with zero criminal history, like most teenage hackers at the time.

He also hadn't done anything that serious, and in fact charges were ultimately dropped (and not because of any technicality).

In 1993, Heidi Fleiss was arrested for her prostitution ring. While this situation was more serious and much more high profile than the teenage hacker I knew, they also surrounded her home with guns and overdid the whole thing.

Police will defend these tactics of simply exercising caution that the suspect won't attack them during the search, but the funny thing is that you won't have nearly the same number of armed officers involved if you call 911 and report an actual violent crime occurring.

So, in short, 10 cops showing up with guns during the search is overkill, but fairly standard operating procedure.

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In these white collar cases, they do it not so much because they think they are a danger, but because they want to make sure the target doesn't delete anything, or in the cases when the IRS does it , they want to make sure you dont have time to sell or conceal assets. If they give you a phone call beforehand, how many computers and hard drives would then be immediately tossed or thrown in the bathtub? a lot.

So while it is completely unnecessarily from a firepower prospective, i get why they do it .

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The "give me a phone call beforehand" thing from the video was obviously ridiculous, but at the same time, they didn't need 10 officers with guns drawn.

Bringing a few officers to the door telling him to step outside while they search his place (while one or more supervises that he stays put) should have been enough. Guns should have only been drawn if he appeared to be uncooperative. That's just my opinion, though.

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Originally Posted by YUUP

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Originally Posted by YUUP

Druff, can you give some cliffs on what powers Nevada gaming has for the idiots(me) please tx

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A triple post and nothing for the Europeans? Help us out here Druff

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From their webpage:

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The Enforcement Division is the law enforcement arm of the Gaming Control Board. It maintains five offices statewide and operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Primary responsibilities are to conduct criminal and regulatory investigations, arbitrate disputes between patrons and licensees, gather intelligence on organized criminal groups involved in gaming related activities, make recommendations on potential candidates for the "List of Excluded Persons", conduct background investigations on work card applicants, and inspect and approve new games, surveillance systems, chips and tokens, charitable lotteries and bingo.

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http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=46

So basically this is a state-level law enforcement entity, and is equivalent to state police (though with a very narrow focus).

Unless they are in cooperation with federal authorities, it looks like any charges would be brought against him by the state of Nevada.

With that said, they could easily grab him in another US state and ship him to Nevada to face these charges, assuming they are filed.

Here is more info, though not from an official site:

http://casinogambling.about.com/od/c...trol-Board.htm

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Gaming Control Board officers are licensed to carry firearms and are POST trained and certified. They work closely with the Nevada Highway Patrol and do make arrests when the situation calls for this action.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

The "give me a phone call beforehand" thing from the video was obviously ridiculous, but at the same time, they didn't need 10 officers with guns drawn.

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Good people sometimes panic, and a lot of good people in Nevada own weapons.

People on meth always panic, and a lot of people in Nevada are on meth and own weapons.

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Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO

Micon in the same league as Dread Pirate now so gangster.

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Now that Micon is on Nevada Gaming's shortlist, could that mean that he can be banned from every casino in Nevada??

If so. *giggling*

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Originally Posted by Bootsy Collins

Now that Micon is on Nevada Gaming's shortlist, could that mean that he can be banned from every casino in Nevada???

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Oh he's more or less banned from the United States.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by cmoney

In these white collar cases, they do it not so much because they think they are a danger, but because they want to make sure the target doesn't delete anything, or in the cases when the IRS does it , they want to make sure you dont have time to sell or conceal assets. If they give you a phone call beforehand, how many computers and hard drives would then be immediately tossed or thrown in the bathtub? a lot.

So while it is completely unnecessarily from a firepower prospective, i get why they do it .

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The "give me a phone call beforehand" thing from the video was obviously ridiculous, but at the same time, they didn't need 10 officers with guns drawn.

Bringing a few officers to the door telling him to step outside while they search his place (while one or more supervises that he stays put) should have been enough. Guns should have only been drawn if he appeared to be uncooperative. That's just my opinion, though.

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The problem is that in this day of age it is so easy to get rid of data if you are even semi prepared. If you want to keep all the data as is, you need to neutralize everyone in the target building asap. Yes, it sucks and it is traumatizing for people not involved, but I dont know how else you insure evidence inst messed with.

With all that said, I do wish him the best. It is BS that anyone is going after him on this, but he had to know this was a risk going in.

dnegs snitched on him

dnegs always wins

I believe we have 2 prints in life today, physical and digital hands and computers.

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

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Originally Posted by Bootsy Collins

Now that Micon is on Nevada Gaming's shortlist, could that mean that he can be banned from every casino in Nevada???

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Oh he's more or less banned from the United States.

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Oh I was thinking more on the hypothetical sense if he was to be let back in.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

The "give me a phone call beforehand" thing from the video was obviously ridiculous, but at the same time,they didn't need 10 officers with guns drawn.

Bringing a few officers to the door telling him to step outside while they search his place (while one or more supervises that he stays put) should have been enough. Guns should have only been drawn if he appeared to be uncooperative. That's just my opinion, though.

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Efficiency is not a concept government concerns themselves with.

More men, more hours today = bigger budgets next year.

Bigger budget responsibility = bigger salaries and better resume.

Rinse & repeat.

Love the idealism though.

Is it true that one of the raid officers took at look at micon in his tighty whiteys and said firm 5?

Wow this fucker has some nerve:




What happened to the link to the news story from the casino site that someone posted in this thread? unintentional merge delete?

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

Wow this fucker has some nerve:




What happened to the link to the news story from the casino site that someone posted in this thread? unintentional merge delete?

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I didn't delete any posts. It's possible one accidentally got moved to the other thread that wasn't meant to. If you find it, let me know and I will move it back.

BTW Calvin Ayre doesn't post his own stuff on CalvinAyre.com, nor does he operate his own Twitter.

So, for whatever reason, 2+2 doesn't give much of a shit about this story.

Maybe we care more over here because of who's involved, but you would think the NGC going after the operator of the biggest bitcoin poker room and raiding his house would be big news.

Of course, this is 2+2 we're talking about, where about 90% of all discussions are comprised of unreadable nonsense.

So they took all of Micon's computers and Seals go down the same day. Maybe he was running SWC on a Server from his house?

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

Wow this fucker has some nerve

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That Twitter account is always promoting articles on the website. I don't think it's actually Calvin Ayre running it.

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Originally Posted by Reno

So they took all of Micon's computers and Seals go down the same day. Maybe he was running SWC on a Server from his house?

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No, his video said that first they seized all of his electronics, and then shortly after that there was some oddity with how Seals' Romanian-based server was running, like it was being attacked or interfered with in some way.

The fact that both events occurred on February 11th made everyone panic, resulting in Micon leaving the country and everyone else saying goodbye to Seals.

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Originally Posted by Bootsy Collins

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

Oh he's more or less banned from the United States.

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Oh I was thinking more on the hypothetical sense if he was to be let back in.

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Anyone know how he got out of the good ol' USA? How serious were any of the charges against him if they (law enforcement) didn't make him surrender his passport? Usually, that's a requirement along with a heavy bond in cases where law enforcement thinks someone may run. How could they not think he'd be a flight risk (they read his social media)...

Perhaps there was no such stipulations or even a large bond?

Anyways, sounds like a mismatch: 10 agents with guns "violently handcuffing him" and no passport surrender requirements PLUS free to leave the country less than 10 days later...

Of course there's always the chance he slipped his family onto a boat or small plane...

EDIT: I think he hasn't been charged with anything yet. They just had a search of his home. I see. I think. They can do that with handcuffs and not charge you with anything if they're executing a search warrant? Pretty extreme by a gaming enforcement commission