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actual imagine of Elon designing the cyber truck
Pre-market 344.94 −9.89 (2.79%)
the most expensive broken windows in history.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
bought it during the last big drop at around 190 I think; sold at 220 like a dipshit. stock will either be at 3000 in a decade or busto. haven't figured out which yet.
The problem with your analysis is that it is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFMLexcept really fucking uglyQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
and what kind of range are you getting with it hauling a boat?
just another vaporware product from elon to try to pump up the stock so he doesn't get margin called on the millions (billions?) of loans against his stock - i mean the triple engine AWD isn't expected to be delivered until at least 2022 according to the order page (and the $100 deposit is fully refundable)
i love elon's vision, and we def need more people like him, but his vision rarely aligns with reality
edit: he rarely executes his vision
if he wasn't such a slave to the highly leveraged loans against his stock i think the company would have a MUCH better long term future
Musk ALWAYS delivers on the vision, just not always on time. And Musk is one of the great money raisers ever, he has zero risk of "margin calls" lol.
You're all wet here my friend.
Still glad to see you posting though.
Have to agree with Willie that truck is butt fucking ugly, but some dopes will buy it anyway. I have had trucks since i could drive and although i do like the idea of a electric truck. I think Elons time would be better spent on designing a delivery van. not a truck that generally get abused and used in less than excellent conditions. It is not a truck that will be used for "Work"
I still don't agree with your prediction that all of the gains will be given up, but ultimately you correctly predicted the stock action after the truck announcement and that's damn impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineI'm hoping it tanks so I can double my position at around the 315 range.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
My analysis/concern with the pickups:
The pickup market in America is oddly specific; the audience is uniquely unsophisticated and that's reflected in the rise of average prices and the deployment of an entirely new class of predatory subprime auto loans designed SPECIFICALLY to rope rubes into buying trucks that cost what luxury boats were going for a generation ago. Somewhere around here I had an absolute masterclass of an article on exactly this, but you've probably already read it.
So my concern is two-fold;
1) Where is the entry point for a an electric pickup truck in that market? This fucking truck's biggest technical selling point is its torque. Excuse me but what modern pickup truck lacks torque?
2) It looks like something out of Bladerunner, and thats not something someone shopping for a pickup truck is going to want to fuck with. When you see those videos of drunk povs keying and kicking Teslas? Those are basically pickup truck owners. They HATE Teslas, they hate people who drive Teslas, they love rolling coal and hanging brass testicles off their bumpers.
The only people who are going to buy these fucking things are gov agencies looking to meet emission standards. And thats not going to be an insignificant market. But the loudest voices in the room arent going to be guys with pocket protectors and combovers, first its going to be a bunch of working class morons laughing at the mere notion of driving one of those things in public, and then it's going to be the shorts retweeting those responses, and then its going to be main stream media saying "everyone hates these fuckin things and TSLA just lost 18% in 24 hours".
Ultimately I think its going to be a break even product because again, gov agencies spend a lot of money on gas and they have CO2 caps to contend with, so its possible they will become the prime consumers and in numbers that sustain it as a niche product.
But it aint gonna be no Model 3.
Caveat: I'm not dumping shares to rebuy after a dip because the market makes absolutely no fucking sense at all lately. But if it does drop, I'm going balls deep.
Nice job.
you know whats funny... i think the broken windows are actually distracting the market from the greater issues with the offering and this plunge would have been much deeper if not for the black comedy of that moment.
Put on your tinfoil hat, but conspiracy theorists believe the windows reacted as planned.
Cue another demo of windows in a month or two where they work.....more press
thing is, ballistic glass isnt supposed to be shatterproof. its just supposed to not disintegrate like a normal safety glass car window (turning all the shards into shrapnel in the process), and its supposed to stop a bullet from penetrating.
it really sounds like musk had no idea thats what it was, and got exactly what he asked for, and was thusly humiliated.
case in point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8i5d5toEDk
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybe...s-solar-panels
ok shit just got real.
you can roll out a solar cover for the back that generates enough charge for up to 15 miles of transport every 24 hours.
Pretty dumb conspiracy theory. "Hey, only some of our windows are faulty". The damage is done. Obviously they can go in and correct it and make sure they have a piece of demonstration glass that won't do that, but the fact that they were unprepared for it in the first place is awful on their part.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
That ball was quite a bit smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
What nobody is talking about was they have been the first option to market in all their previous rollouts.
They will be at least the fourth truck to market this time. Rivian, GM and Ford should all beat them to market which is an entirely different game.
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Originally Posted by abrown83That ball was quite a bit smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
What nobody is talking about was they have been the first option to market in all their previous rollouts.
They will be at least the fourth truck to market this time. Rivian, GM and Ford should all beat them to market which is an entirely different game.
This is a really, really good point and I hadnt considered it.
My 'other side of the coin' perspective on this would be, its unclear whether their underpinning economic agenda ever counted on this truck selling over 100k units, or if its just a way of keeping their brand interesting while the Model S/3/X/Y keep the lights on.
EG is this another Boring Flamethrower or was it https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Pw9gaEiQAxY/hqdefault.jpg
I really dont have an answer but I do think its very very very interesting that their stock 'only' crashed $20'ish.
I also think its very very very interesting that I know people irl who have pre-ordered it. Honestly did not see that one coming.
146k cybertruck preorders.
Id love to know how many model 3 preorders there were after their unveiling for comparison.
I ordered one.
on the strength, before i order a model Y im going to seriously consider the same. the solar roof was the tipping point for me.
I can't believe Elon Musk was behind all of this. ShamefulQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
so this is real life. screen capped for posterity:
-200 trump has the fsb vanish him because he 100% believes this is true.
lol hat tip to gordo.