Active shooter in Las Vegas

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Originally Posted by cmoney

Not trying to be a dick but arent guns laws largely left up to the states? If so, why do some many heavily leaning blue states have lax gun laws? I mean even Bernie Sanders was taking a lot of shit for his stance on guns.

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Nevada is in denial.
Nevada is a liberal blue state and has the most lax gun laws in the country. Almost every type of firearm is legal.

Lots of questions still need to be answered.

Did he have direct communication with ISIS to help plan and carry-out this attack?
Why was Stephen Paddock allowed to use his wife/girlfriends ID to check into the Mandalay Bay Hotel in the name of Marilou Danley?
Does he look like a fucking Marilou?

http://sunshinestatenews.com/sites/d...?itok=LY4e1YNK

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

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Originally Posted by cmoney

Not trying to be a dick but arent guns laws largely left up to the states? If so, why do some many heavily leaning blue states have lax gun laws? I mean even Bernie Sanders was taking a lot of shit for his stance on guns.

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Nevada is in denial.
Nevada is a liberal blue state and has the most lax gun laws in the country. Almost every type of firearm is legal.

Lots of questions still need to be answered.

Did he have direct communication with ISIS to help plan and carry-out this attack?
Why was Stephen Paddock allowed to use his wife/girlfriends ID to check into the Mandalay Bay Hotel in the name of Marilou Danley?
Does he look like a fucking Marilou?

http://sunshinestatenews.com/sites/d...?itok=LY4e1YNK

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FML there is no hope for mankind

It's hard to figure out the motive here, but at this point, depression/frustration due to gambling losses seems to be the most likely explanation. It's also possible that his compulsive gambling was just a symptom of a greater psychosis which brought him to do this.

As a veteran of Las Vegas casinos, I can shed some light on some matters regarding his gambling, as well as his ability to get/hide the numerous large firearms in the room.



What kind of gambler was he? Was he perhaps an advantage player or winning gambler?

Very unlikely. His brother indicated that he sometimes gambled on cruise ships, which is almost always hugely -EV, as their odds tend to be worse than land-based casinos. It seems that his game of choice was video poker, but no casino advantage players I know have ever heard of him, and that's a fairly small and tight-knit community. There are also reports that he gambled tens of thousands of dollars in the past few weeks. That could mean one of two things -- either he LOST or WON tens of thousands, which is significant -- or he simply wagered tens of thousands, which is very insignificant. As a point of reference, when I play a single day of video poker, I usually wager $50,000, but it is almost impossible to lose more than $5,000 while doing so.



Is is possible that he was a rich accountant who didn't care about the money won or lost?

Very unlikely. He attempted to "flip" a house recently, which he bought for $245,000. He ended up selling it at a small loss (I think $13,000), but the point is that wealthy house-flippers don't mess around with $200k-type properties, as there's simply not enough money in it. You flip those properties if making $30,000 is a huge deal to you. Furthermore, his home in Mesquite was quite modest, and we have seen no indications that he was wealthy to the point where tens of thousands of dollars of video poker losses wouldn't faze him.



His brother said the he gambled $100 per hand at video poker. What does that mean?

$100 per hand at video poker doesn't exist, because almost everyone "max plays", which means 5 credits per hand. The credit denominations you can choose are typically $0.25, $0.50, $1, $2, $5, $10, $25, or $100. If he were to play $25 per credit, that would be $125 per hand. And yes, that's actually pretty significant. Due to the speed one can play video poker (500 hands per hour for most experienced players), that would be $62,500 wagered per hour at such a machine, resulting in an average loss of $625 per hour even at a fairly good 99% return machine. But keep in mind that video poker also has a lot of variance, and is very royal flush dependent. You only hit a royal every 40,000 hands on average, and all hands played during a royal drought will return 2% less on average. So a guy running $25 per credit on a 99% return machine WITHOUT hitting a royal will lose, on average, $1875 -- and that's if he plays perfectly. Also, some machines return less than 99%, even at high limits. Of course, we are taking his brother's word for what he was betting. It's possible he was playing $5/credit video poker (which is far more common than $25/credit), in which case the expected losses would be cut by 5x what I just stated. Still, you can EASILY lose tens of thousands in that game in a period of weeks if you're playing a lot and just not hitting royals.



How could he have snuck 17 large weapons into a Mandalay Bay hotel room? What about the maid's report that she didn't see anything when cleaning it?

I'm guessing that he let the maid clean before he snuck the weaponry in there, near the beginning of his stay. Otherwise, he could simply put up a Do Not Disturb sign for the length of his stay, which is fairly common and would not arouse any suspicion (I do it myself). Contrary to some reports I'm reading, it is NOT difficult to get 17 large weapons into a large Vegas hotel like Mandalay Bay, especially over a period of days. He simply needed to make several trips back and forth, with the guns hidden in suitcases. The hallways do not have cameras, and the security presence in these hotels is pretty low, aside from keeping the riff-raff from going up the room elevators in the evenings. Security tends to focus on the casino portion, for obvious reasons. One could easily go back and forth with 17 suitcases without detection, especially if spread over a period of 4 days. Note that he checked in on Thursday, meaning he only needed to bring up 4-5 suitcases per day at different times of the day. 100% that could be done without detection.



How could he have checked in using his girlfriend's info, especially given that he is a different gender and clearly looks nothing like her?

This is not uncommon. Hosts can pre-check you into the room, and they are happy to do this for gamblers likely to shoot off a lot of $ on -EV games. He simply needed to book it under Marilou, then have himself added as an authorized guest, and have his host pre-check-in the room. This is even easier if she is also a gambler there, and the host knows they are associated. I actually did this once for a family member who I got a hotel room, but would be at the hotel hours before me. The room was in my name, but they were able to get keys before I arrived.



Apologies for the theorizing about a left-wing motivation. I had the Virginia congressional shooting on my mind, where an angry, older, white liberal specifically came to target Republicans. This guy being old and white, combined with his girlfriend being married to a big anti-Trumper, made me jump to what was likely the wrong conclusion.

We need to pick a fucking lane in this country. We can either-

A) Leave the gun laws we have now and accept that every year or two someone is going to kill dozens of people. We'll shrug if off and call it the cost of doing business. We already do this with the more than 30,000 Americans killed each year in car accidents, so it is feasible.

B) We change our gun laws.

Honestly, I would be fine with either one. But this half assed thing we do now where we wail about the horrible tragedy of it and pretend it was some unprecedented, unforeseeable, unpreventable thing- it drives me fucking crazy.

ISIS propaganda statements are God.

The crazy fuckers are half a world away laughing their tits off that they're getting the credit for this from millions of Americans.

You're basically doing their job for them by spreading the fear.

It wasn't Muslims. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

It's hard to figure out the motive here, but at this point, depression/frustration due to gambling losses seems to be the most likely explanation. It's also possible that his compulsive gambling was just a symptom of a greater psychosis which brought him to do this.

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He is a fucking millionaire with houses all over the West Coast. From all reports he had absolutely zero money problems and was well off. They are talking about these "huge gambling bets" of 10k and 20k leading up to the shooting. He probably bets those amounts every fucking day, likely means nothing.

I do not have the slightest idea of what the motivation could have been. Nobody does really, there is just nothing there.

Police found ammonium nitrate in his car, which can be used to make bombs.

Just normal stuff that a 64 year old white guy who gambles away tens of thousands of dollars a day would have in his possession.

One time Paddock won $40,000 on a slot machine.

If he is a +EV player Druff will have a heart attack.


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To all you lib gun control faggots, let this sink in for a minute.

This guy was a pilot. He flew planes regularly.

You know what would have really killed a bunch of people, just like a gun? Him nosediving an AIRPLANE into that fucking crowd.

How you gonna stop that? Want to ban airplanes? There are some things in this world that just can't be prevented. That is life. You can't legislate out every single danger and fear lurking in this world.

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

There are some things in this world that just can't be prevented.

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So how do so many other countries prevent them?

 

No republicans.

There has to be more to this. They just interviewed a security/FBI guy and he said it is pretty fucking convenient this "girlfriend" just happened to hop a flight out of the country right before this happened. Pretty hard to interview someone or get a good read 7500k miles away in Asia. I mean she allegedly lived with the guy. I'm guessing they are trying to track her down now and put her ass right back on another plane to the old US of A.

Are there people in this thread actually hoping, wishing, and praying that this somehow has an ISIS connection?


if so, please die in a fucking grease fire

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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I want to party with this guy

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Originally Posted by The_Lurker

Are there people in this thread actually hoping, wishing, and praying that this somehow has an ISIS connection?


if so, please die in a fucking grease fire

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Are there some people in this thread actually hoping, wishing, and praying this was some white right wing nut job to further their political agenda against guns?

If so, please die in a fucking grease fire.

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

To all you lib gun control faggots, let this sink in for a minute.

This guy was a pilot. He flew planes regularly.

You know what would have really killed a bunch of people, just like a gun? Him nosediving an AIRPLANE into that fucking crowd.

How you gonna stop that? Want to ban airplanes? There are some things in this world that just can't be prevented. That is life. You can't legislate out every single danger and fear lurking in this world.

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this is literally a quote from the NRA that will appear in tomorrow's onion article discussing the shooting.

you cannot possibly exist. like 97% you're a druff dupe.

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

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Originally Posted by The_Lurker

Are there people in this thread actually hoping, wishing, and praying that this somehow has an ISIS connection?


if so, please die in a fucking grease fire

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Are there some people in this thread actually hoping, wishing, and praying this was some white right wing nut job to further their political agenda against guns?

If so, please die in a fucking grease fire.

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Wow, you are FUBAR

I think it's a mentally ill compulsive gambler who pissed his life away in a jacks or better machine, and went on total monkey retard tilt

"Psychosis is a condition that can be passed down through genes. Families that already have a member with psychosis, related family members and generations to follow can inherit the condition. This is called genetic predisposition."

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

To all you lib gun control faggots, let this sink in for a minute.

This guy was a pilot. He flew planes regularly.

You know what would have really killed a bunch of people, just like a gun? Him nosediving an AIRPLANE into that fucking crowd.

How you gonna stop that? Want to ban airplanes? There are some things in this world that just can't be prevented. That is life. You can't legislate out every single danger and fear lurking in this world.

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this is literally a quote from the NRA that will appear in tomorrow's onion article discussing the shooting.

you cannot possibly exist. like 97% you're a druff dupe.

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LOL. I don't even know what this means.

Guess what? If some nutjob wants to kill a bunch of people at a soft target, there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop them. L-O-L if you think some "gun laws" are going to prevent it. YOU can't possibly exist being that stupid.

He could have crashed a plane into the crowd and killed twice as many. That is a fact, whether you want to accept it or not.