Lol DeWine daily conference started by him coughing twice into his hand and then touching his face. How the hell can the average joe follow directions when our leaders can’t.
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Lol DeWine daily conference started by him coughing twice into his hand and then touching his face. How the hell can the average joe follow directions when our leaders can’t.
Shit gets real.
Comic-Con International 2020 has been cancelled.
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splitthis: Cause they will never be symptomatic rube
the problem with this is that there is no antibody immunity apparently, so people will keep ping ponging it back to each other until they get sick and die.
San Diego county fair has also been canceled. Probably the two biggest events in San Diego.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
The mayor has no power in Las Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
She tried this shit last month, she wanted the original 30 day shutdown to be a one week shutdown.
The Governor told her to fuck off.
The Governor is not close to re-opening Nevada.
He will probably continue the non-essential business shutdown another 30 days, at least until the end of May.
Las Vegas casinos will sell corporate junk bonds to raise cash. Why open in the middle of a pandemic to very little business?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL2iAwOjASk
Enjoy them for a month or two before they close again. I’m a little shocked they’re opening them in the first phase. I can’t really think of much worse places than the Petri dish that is a gym. Even high end gyms. Everything is shared equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
How the fuck do you properly clean dumbbells before the next guy grabs them? Clean long bars exactly? Almost any serious lifter uses chalk. Good luck with that. Thankfully pool appear safe as long as properly maintained.
Seems impossible to control and my gym always had spray disinfectant next to everything. The way these phases are set up, it just reverts back to lockdown the first spike. I give that a few weeks to a month and it will be shut down again. Cases have doubled or close to doubled last week in every rural state without a stay at home order. And those states have no one living there.
If one funeral creates a giant cluster, I can’t imagine what a gym will do. I’m happy for San. I am surprised a guy who has been proactive as DeWine would ok gyms of all places. I’m guessing someone made a two pronged argument about them going under fast because of the nature of the business and people getting out of shape and it presenting a bigger health problem. I can see that argument having validity, but gyms are going to be a damn quick incubator for a reversal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d64OU9-Tf-c
This man is mentally unstable but continue to support him... Trump is literally encouraging people to protest and break social distancing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTGBmVVTjx8
It’s a little nuts in the context of phasing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCREnjoy them for a month or two before they close again. I’m a little shocked they’re opening them in the first phase. I can’t really think of much worse places than the Petri dish that is a gym. Even high end gyms. Everything is shared equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
How the fuck do you properly clean dumbbells before the next guy grabs them? Clean long bars exactly? Almost any serious lifter uses chalk. Good luck with that. Thankfully pool appear safe as long as properly maintained.
Seems impossible to control and my gym always had spray disinfectant next to everything. The way these phases are set up, it just reverts back to lockdown the first spike. I give that a few weeks to a month and it will be shut down again. Cases have doubled or close to doubled last week in every rural state without a stay at home order. And those states have no one living there.
If one funeral creates a giant cluster, I can’t imagine what a gym will do. I’m happy for San. I am surprised a guy who has been proactive as DeWine would ok gyms of all places. I’m guessing someone made a two pronged argument about them going under fast because of the nature of the business and people getting out of shape and it presenting a bigger health problem. I can see that argument having validity, but gyms are going to be a damn quick incubator for a reversal.
People sweat in gyms. People touch their face and all other organs. Then they touch stuff.
Is OSA taking spin class with a mask? It’s a personal O2 disaster. What is the point? Not sure we will offer spin.
Members are going to be brutal with opinions and complaints about hygiene. Everyone has been inundated 24/7 with Corona science. Everyone is an expert. I know a mid 20’s kid who thinks this is all stupid and he’s gonna be the guy to catch the customer beatings.
The pool comment makes me laugh. I know a licensed pool maintenance guru. 25 years. College educated. He would never ever swim in a public pool. He can quote you acceptable fecal matter ppm. Commercial systems are pretty complicated and require constant maintenance and nobody does it. How often are the lifeguards testing? Ever? Dare ya to swim in a hotel pool - THE worst.
When a little kid unloads in a public pool and you have a “Code Brown” you don’t want to know what the code is for safe cleanup and reopening the pool. Shit happens.
Gyms are gonna wish they had a close prior relationship with their local board of health. We tip generously.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCREnjoy them for a month or two before they close again. I’m a little shocked they’re opening them in the first phase. I can’t really think of much worse places than the Petri dish that is a gym. Even high end gyms. Everything is shared equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
How the fuck do you properly clean dumbbells before the next guy grabs them? Clean long bars exactly? Almost any serious lifter uses chalk. Good luck with that. Thankfully pool appear safe as long as properly maintained.
Seems impossible to control and my gym always had spray disinfectant next to everything. The way these phases are set up, it just reverts back to lockdown the first spike. I give that a few weeks to a month and it will be shut down again. Cases have doubled or close to doubled last week in every rural state without a stay at home order. And those states have no one living there.
If one funeral creates a giant cluster, I can’t imagine what a gym will do. I’m happy for San. I am surprised a guy who has been proactive as DeWine would ok gyms of all places. I’m guessing someone made a two pronged argument about them going under fast because of the nature of the business and people getting out of shape and it presenting a bigger health problem. I can see that argument having validity, but gyms are going to be a damn quick incubator for a reversal.
I think the second wave bloodbath is almost inevitable. Pressure to reopen will build and build until some of these governors cave which will fuck the rest of us.
Didn’t realize that about pools. I had googled covid and pools and they said they were safe as long as properly maintained. Didn’t realize that was a pipe dream. That makes it worse because my place is owned by a doctor who kept expanding his PT facility into a full on gym so the pool is a big draw. People argue over time slots. And my whole area skews older, particularly the pool as it’s really good for aches and pains associated with age. I thought ok gloves. But then people just sweat, you grab something, it’s on gloves, you transport it everywhere. I just don’t see how it’s doneQuote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarIt’s a little nuts in the context of phasing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
People sweat in gyms. People touch their face and all other organs. Then they touch stuff.
Is OSA taking spin class with a mask? It’s a personal O2 disaster. What is the point? Not sure we will offer spin.
Members are going to be brutal with opinions and complaints about hygiene. Everyone has been inundated 24/7 with Corona science. I know a mid 20’s kid who thinks this is all stupid and he’s gonna be the guy to catch the customer beatings.
The pool comment makes me laugh. I know a pool licensed pool maintenance guru. 25 years. College educated. He would never ever swim in a public pool. He can quote you acceptable fecal matter ppm. Commercial systems are pretty complicated and require constant maintenance and nobody does it. How often are the lifeguards testing? Ever? Dare ya to swim in a hotel pool - THE worst.
When a little kid unloads in a public pool and you have a “Code Brown” you don’t want to know what the code is for safe cleanup and reopening the pool. Shit happens.
Gyms are gonna wish they had a close prior relationship with their local board of health. We tip generously.
I want the gym back. I was doing lunges in my dads garage yesterday with a barbell loaded up and an excel for dummies 2007 under my heel. I don’t enjoy these makeshift workouts even though my ass is so sore and tight today that OSA would try to fuck me if I put a bag over my head to disguise the age of the man behind that ass.
I want the gym back. At 10 AM I’m 10-15 years under median age at my gym and I’m no kid.
It is interesting, nearly 4 months after your initial Wuhan/Lab post, the MSM is now reporting this might be legit and probably obvious. Good call. You do understand though when Tom Cotton raised your theory in early February, Brian Williams, CNN and that Fareed guy all called him a conspiracist fear monger. You nailed this, but so did Tucker Carlson in January. That has to sting. The left got it wrong the right got it right. It's called a paradox Sonatine for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by tgull
imagine what it would have been like without this thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRDidn’t realize that about pools. I had googled covid and pools and they said they were safe as long as properly maintained. Didn’t realize that was a pipe dream. That makes it worse because my place is owned by a doctor who kept expanding his PT facility into a full on gym so the pool is a big draw. People argue over time slots. And my whole area skews older, particularly the pool as it’s really good for aches and pains associated with age. I thought ok gloves. But then people just sweat, you grab something, it’s on gloves, you transport it everywhere. I just don’t see how it’s doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I want the gym back. I was doing lunges in my dads garage yesterday with a barbell loaded up and an excel for dummies 2007 under my heel. I don’t enjoy these makeshift workouts even though my ass is so sore and tight today that OSA would try to fuck me if I put a bag over my head to disguise the age of the man behind that ass.
I want the gym back. At 10 AM I’m 10-15 years under median age at my gym and I’m no kid.
I could riff forever.
Winter pools are a closed loop environment. I want to preserve heat. I’m drawing in ZERO outside air. It’s a larger sauna. You going in your club’s wet sauna?
We live in an educated, well to do, liberal neck of the woods. People are going to be reporting employers, stores, gyms on the regular to the board of health. I pray for their soul.
One way to bet your gym opinions is Planet Fitness PLNT. The origin of Simpdog’s Planlmar contest. Been trading that like a mofo. 12% today alone. If you have a gym opinion that’s where to place your bet. I will short that again at the first sign of a second wave.
I disagree, in general healthier people attend gyms. Mine is large enough to easily maintain distance. As far as barbells, yes clean as best you can, but the key is to clean your own hands before and after use.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCREnjoy them for a month or two before they close again. I’m a little shocked they’re opening them in the first phase. I can’t really think of much worse places than the Petri dish that is a gym. Even high end gyms. Everything is shared equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
How the fuck do you properly clean dumbbells before the next guy grabs them? Clean long bars exactly? Almost any serious lifter uses chalk. Good luck with that. Thankfully pool appear safe as long as properly maintained.
Seems impossible to control and my gym always had spray disinfectant next to everything. The way these phases are set up, it just reverts back to lockdown the first spike. I give that a few weeks to a month and it will be shut down again. Cases have doubled or close to doubled last week in every rural state without a stay at home order. And those states have no one living there.
If one funeral creates a giant cluster, I can’t imagine what a gym will do. I’m happy for San. I am surprised a guy who has been proactive as DeWine would ok gyms of all places. I’m guessing someone made a two pronged argument about them going under fast because of the nature of the business and people getting out of shape and it presenting a bigger health problem. I can see that argument having validity, but gyms are going to be a damn quick incubator for a reversal.
Yeah, Druff.
Trump hasn't said anything dangerous ever.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newsp...GJc?li=AAggNb9
People, we cannot live in a bubble forever. Do your best, it will be what it will be, and LIVE!
But remember, don't donate blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
:lol2
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Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
Doctors made famous and thus wealthy by Oprah have a pretty bad post-fame track record. They cannot be taken seriously. They should lose their licenses over this.
I’d bring 2 bottles. A bottle of your own disinfectant and a water bottle to each station. Bring a washcloth for use with disinfectant.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
You aren’t generating endless trash from used paper towels or wipes.
The commercial disinfectant wipes are gonna be on back order quick.
You aren’t constantly hunting down the gym’s bottles or wipes.
Your own bottle of disinfectant might be a new look for the serious fitness type. Who knows?
I’m sure he will be there, and if not, I will find another to feast my eyes on while I sweat it out.
I am meeting a new gentleman this weekend for a walk in the park. If this pandemic has taught me anything it’s that broken split is healed and ready to goooooooooo. If I would end up dying of covid I’m going out with some good fucking memories. Literally.
Definitely bringing my own gear to the gym.
I’m convinced my dogs had the covid as well as myself. The dogs were severely ill and I had throat and gi issues for a few days. Will do my best but refuse to live scared.
Reopening too fast will absolutely kill a lot of people. It's beyond stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCREnjoy them for a month or two before they close again. I’m a little shocked they’re opening them in the first phase. I can’t really think of much worse places than the Petri dish that is a gym. Even high end gyms. Everything is shared equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
How the fuck do you properly clean dumbbells before the next guy grabs them? Clean long bars exactly? Almost any serious lifter uses chalk. Good luck with that. Thankfully pool appear safe as long as properly maintained.
Seems impossible to control and my gym always had spray disinfectant next to everything. The way these phases are set up, it just reverts back to lockdown the first spike. I give that a few weeks to a month and it will be shut down again. Cases have doubled or close to doubled last week in every rural state without a stay at home order. And those states have no one living there.
If one funeral creates a giant cluster, I can’t imagine what a gym will do. I’m happy for San. I am surprised a guy who has been proactive as DeWine would ok gyms of all places. I’m guessing someone made a two pronged argument about them going under fast because of the nature of the business and people getting out of shape and it presenting a bigger health problem. I can see that argument having validity, but gyms are going to be a damn quick incubator for a reversal.
In other news Mayor Larry Vaughn of Amity Island in New England is pushing Sheriff Brody to open the beaches by the 4th of July.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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A lot of those people are going to get sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
It's sad, but eventually stupidity will kill you. And listening to Trump and the right wing hate machine is stupid.
We just going to ignore the Stanford study?
50X the number of cases vs confirmed cases, meaning a considerably lower death rate.
Community spread in Northern California happened much earlier than reported, basically undetected.
Damn good news.
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Originally Posted by SanlmarI’d bring 2 bottles. A bottle of your own disinfectant and a water bottle to each station. Bring a washcloth for use with disinfectant.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
You aren’t generating endless trash from used paper towels or wipes.
The commercial disinfectant wipes are gonna be on back order quick.
You aren’t constantly hunting down the gym’s bottles or wipes.
Your own bottle of disinfectant might be a new look for the serious fitness type. Who knows?
The last days before close @ Equinox, they were wiping things down every 90 minutes. Now probably will be every hour. That's enough for me.
It's not a Chinese bioweapon. Confirmed by scientists already.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullIt is interesting, nearly 4 months after your initial Wuhan/Lab post, the MSM is now reporting this might be legit and probably obvious. Good call. You do understand though when Tom Cotton raised your theory in early February, Brian Williams, CNN and that Fareed guy all called him a conspiracist fear monger. You nailed this, but so did Tucker Carlson in January. That has to sting. The left got it wrong the right got it right. It's called a paradox Sonatine for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
It's very unlikely it escaped from a Chinese research facility. Slight possibility.
Overwhelming chance is it really came from caged animals kept together in unsanitary conditions and then eaten. Wasn't the first virus to originate that way and likely won't be the last.
Why don't they believe in science?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
pretty much every single person i know personally is left wing and not a single one agrees with one thing on that list.
this is why we consider you laughably ignorant when it comes to the real world, and dont take you seriously.
Either way, and I don't give a shit, you don't shut down a country and create a world depression over some fucking bat flu. I was just pointing out there is a lot of chatter that this originated from a lab. And nobody serious is stating this was a bio weapon so you are reading too many blogs. Stop trying to sound so smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakIt's not a Chinese bioweapon. Confirmed by scientists already.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
It's very unlikely it escaped from a Chinese research facility. Slight possibility.
Overwhelming chance is it really came from caged animals kept together in unsanitary conditions and then eaten. Wasn't the first virus to originate that way and likely won't be the last.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullIt is interesting, nearly 4 months after your initial Wuhan/Lab post, the MSM is now reporting this might be legit and probably obvious. Good call. You do understand though when Tom Cotton raised your theory in early February, Brian Williams, CNN and that Fareed guy all called him a conspiracist fear monger. You nailed this, but so did Tucker Carlson in January. That has to sting. The left got it wrong the right got it right. It's called a paradox Sonatine for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Whats funny is, the people (left and right) denying the lab theory loudest were all on the joint intelligence committee.
Meaning; obviously they knew perfectly well it was from the lab, and they recognized the strategic disadvantages of making that public. But of course, the right wing doesnt play chess, it plays tic tac toe using horse shoes or some shit, so naturally they plunge ahead into the breach, potentially disrupting the supplies of meds and ppe that we are quite literally dependent on China for in the name of cheap political victories.
What made me saddest however was when I pointed out how brazenly unlikely it was that anything like this could happen in nature, people had already gotten guthooked by the 'wet market theory' and treated me like some sort of death tripping conspiracy addicted lunatic, because the only people who agreed with me openly were conspiracy addicted lunatics from the right wing.
Coronavirus is a fake ass media creation!
You heard it here first...
I don’t know what’s new about it? It came to the conclusion that “2.5% and 4.2%.”Quote:
Originally Posted by v12cl
of the population already had it. That’s the exact range the modelers studying outbreaks put it at last week when I posted that guys findings. That’s not enough to have any effect at all except for that 2-4%, that’s if they have immunity. I’m not sure that’s even established at this point.
No one thinks this thing kills 10% of anyone. Every case is primarily a hospital admission worthy case. The death rate is optimistic at this point, but 26k of Ca’s 28k cases are still active. It’s kind of what people expected as far as exposure amount. Where CA is exceeding expectations is deaths. They’re low, but it’s early, and they’re younger and far healthier than US average. It’s not bad news, but kind of expected.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
case in point ^
Not read a single word of this thread btw, nor have I read a single word of the forum in the past couple years.
Consider yourself blessed
Don't they figure the death rate for the flu the same way? Or is there a more precise calculation that can be done for the flu? I guess what I'm saying is whenever they post a death rate for any virus or flu or whatever won't it always be higher than what it actually was?Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRI don’t know what’s new about it? It came to the conclusion that “2.5% and 4.2%.”Quote:
Originally Posted by v12cl
of the population already had it. That’s the exact range the modelers studying outbreaks put it at last week when I posted that guys findings. That’s not enough to have any effect at all except for that 2-4%, that’s if they have immunity. I’m not sure that’s even established at this point.
No one thinks this thing kills 10% of anyone. Every case is primarily a hospital admission worthy case. The death rate is optimistic at this point, but 26k of Ca’s 28k cases are still active. It’s kind of what people expected as far as exposure amount. Where CA is exceeding expectations is deaths. They’re low, but it’s early, and they’re younger and far healthier than US average. It’s not bad news, but kind of expected.
Pretty tough for you to claim "You heard it here first" then.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymer
The Stanford study makes a lot of assumptions and probably undercounts death rate. There is a study in Germany that came out that looked at a lot more patients and the IFR is around 0.4%, which is about double the upper bound of Stanford Study. Still 4x as deadly as the flu for comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRI don’t know what’s new about it? It came to the conclusion that “2.5% and 4.2%.”Quote:
Originally Posted by v12cl
of the population already had it. That’s the exact range the modelers studying outbreaks put it at last week when I posted that guys findings. That’s not enough to have any effect at all except for that 2-4%, that’s if they have immunity. I’m not sure that’s even established at this point.
No one thinks this thing kills 10% of anyone. Every case is primarily a hospital admission worthy case. The death rate is optimistic at this point, but 26k of Ca’s 28k cases are still active. It’s kind of what people expected as far as exposure amount. Where CA is exceeding expectations is deaths. They’re low, but it’s early, and they’re younger and far healthier than US average. It’s not bad news, but kind of expected.
Of course, given that indications are some portion of people are going to catch this multiple times, we have to find out whether previous infection makes the second infection milder (even if there isn't temporary total immunity for everyone as hoped).
I know Sonatine has this notion that infection #2 will be just as bad or worse as #1 (and it is certainly possible it is), but there is no indication of this so far, and its more likely it is milder due to some partial immunity.
can you link that? that would be encouragingQuote:
Originally Posted by v12cl
I don’t know the answer regarding regular seasonal flu. In outbreaks I’ve seen that they go back and revise down the CFR after they’ve studied the exposure and fatality rate. I’m not sure that’s doable with something with the numbers of garden variety flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishDon't they figure the death rate for the flu the same way? Or is there a more precise calculation that can be done for the flu? I guess what I'm saying is whenever they post a death rate for any virus or flu or whatever won't it always be higher than what it actually was?Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
I know this last flu was said to be really bad. Kind of similar to this if the math holds. The main difference being it’s far more infectious than regular flu and has a slightly worse target range taking out 40 and 50 year olds at a higher rate. Most years flu is milder. This would be like a really super bad flu season that was over twice as infectious. You figure we crossed 100 deaths a month ago today. We crossed 36k today. So say 8 really bad months of these type numbers and 4 hopefully milder summer months and you’d be looking at like 300k dead if not for the shutdown.
The caveat will be what’s it look like if we open it back up. I have no idea. Pure conjecture.
I mean with us still piling up 2k deaths a day now, and 36k deaths in a month, we are going to be over 60k a month from today even if we start rapidly declining. Every day from here forward needs a 500 death day in second half of month to keep us at only 65k deaths on may 17. That’s close to a really horrible flu year in 2 months with most of everyone locked down. We will get a respite from the lockdown, but I see no way it doesn’t fire up again and easily cross 100 to 125k deaths by end of the year. Even with numbers much lower than we are racking up now. It’s flattening, but it’s a long way down and it will rise again as we open shit up. No real comparison to the flu from what I can tell. Simply much worse considering we don’t do shit for flu. We need a vaccine and this will be old news at that point
splitthis: Alere is a bootleg company that sold non working inr machines
Whatever happened in their INR machine business, Alere is regarded as a very popular, well-regarded company in the clinical HIV testing arena.
The real sad cases is that for the most part they will be fine. It’s not about themselves but spreading the disease to high risk populations. Sane people are not worried about their health. It’s fair that liberal media has hyped the danger way too much. But sane people are worried about others health.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakA lot of those people are going to get sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
It's sad, but eventually stupidity will kill you. And listening to Trump and the right wing hate machine is stupid.